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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #680 on: October 07, 2020, 08:49:45 PM »
I have a question regarding the Concavenator and since it's a 2020 figure this is probably the best place to do it I guess. Is about it's skull, it looks to me different than most of other figures I've seen I don't know if it's because it's mouth is closed or what, so how accurate it is?
It isn't that accurate, the head is far too Allosaur like and slightly too triangle-like in shape.

@Dinoxels I believe you made the same claim earlier probably in this thread. I used the original paper on Concavenator from 1993 but for the skull I used the much more recent 2018 paper "The cranial osteology of Concavenator corcovatus  (Theropoda; Carcharodontosauria) from the Lower Cretaceous of Spain
Elena Cuesta, Daniel Vidal, Francisco Ortega, José L. Sanz 2018
Below is the more recent restoration of the skull from that paper. I believe I captured their restoration correctly are you saying I wasn't successful in representing their findings or do you just not agree with the authors?

« Last Edit: October 07, 2020, 08:53:00 PM by Doug Watson »


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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #681 on: October 08, 2020, 10:27:19 AM »
@Doug Watson Thanks for the reply, what I am mentioning is that the head slopes down really quickly on the sculpt, while on the skull you used for reference it slopes down gradually. Here is a side by side comparison if anyone is curious.


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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #682 on: October 08, 2020, 10:26:08 PM »
@Dinoxels I think it's just that the crests have keratin extensions which wouldn't be visible on the skull.

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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #683 on: October 08, 2020, 11:42:31 PM »
@Dinoxels I think it's just that the crests have keratin extensions which wouldn't be visible on the skull.

Yeah, that's what it looks like to me.

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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #684 on: October 09, 2020, 02:59:20 AM »
@Doug Watson Thanks for the reply, what I am mentioning is that the head slopes down really quickly on the sculpt, while on the skull you used for reference it slopes down gradually. Here is a side by side comparison if anyone is curious.

If there is something I am not seeing here please let me know.

@Dinoxels as @Sim and @Loon have already pointed out I added lacrimal horns to the head that breaks the curve from the front to the back of the head dorsally. If you still want to quibble that it slopes too abruptly through the nasals fine I won't try to change your opinion what I find disturbing is that this one aspect is all you have pointed out yet you made the broad statement that "It isn't that accurate". I do my best to do the research and to represent the latest findings, I'm not perfect but I try at least.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2020, 03:02:34 AM by Doug Watson »

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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #685 on: October 09, 2020, 01:21:03 PM »
@Dinoxels I think it's just that the crests have keratin extensions which wouldn't be visible on the skull.

I think the visible rugose texture on the lachrymals pretty much proves they should have some kind of keratin extension. Doug's rendition may even be too conservative.
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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #686 on: October 09, 2020, 08:16:05 PM »
They're low-key leaning into the Dino Dana tie-in. Nothing here is new, but the "DINODANA" promo code will get you a discount on some existing offerings.

https://store.safariltd.com/collections/dino-danas-favorite-safari-ltd-dinosaur-toys
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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #687 on: October 09, 2020, 08:28:36 PM »
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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #688 on: October 10, 2020, 10:38:19 AM »
@Doug Watson Been meaning to ask, have you tried/considered sculpting the sharp bits (mostly just the claws tbh) of your models longer? So that when Safari inevitably dulls down the sharpness for child safety., the length of the claws would still accurately match up with fossil evidence.
Even if Safari's editing did not drastically shorten the claw, the increased length could still be explained by well-developed keratin sheaths.

For example, your original 2019 Allosaurus sculpt had faithfully depicted the enlarged thumb claw of the genus. But in the final product, this defining trait was unfortunately lost due to Safari's tinkering, leaving round nubs on all 3 fingers that are of equal length.

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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #689 on: October 10, 2020, 05:03:57 PM »
I keep hearing that the final toy version of the 2019 WS Allosaurus doesn't have the enlarged thumb claw, but my one does.  The thumb claw is the biggest claw and longest claw on its hands.  Is ths different on other people's copies?

I'm not convinced sculpting the pointy bits longer is a good idea, I wouldn't want them to end up too long on the final figure.

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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #690 on: October 10, 2020, 05:23:02 PM »
Mine has it a bit larger than the other ones. But just a bit. It's hard to notice unless you examine it closer.

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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #691 on: October 10, 2020, 06:15:42 PM »
I keep hearing that the final toy version of the 2019 WS Allosaurus doesn't have the enlarged thumb claw, but my one does.  The thumb claw is the biggest claw and longest claw on its hands.  Is ths different on other people's copies?

I'm not convinced sculpting the pointy bits longer is a good idea, I wouldn't want them to end up too long on the final figure.
Mine shows the proper sized claws too. :)
« Last Edit: October 10, 2020, 06:31:22 PM by John »
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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #692 on: October 12, 2020, 03:36:16 AM »
On the other hand, so to speak, my figure lacks the larger claw. It's such a fine piece otherwise. Definitely on my modification list.

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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #693 on: October 14, 2020, 02:48:18 PM »
@Doug Watson Been meaning to ask, have you tried/considered sculpting the sharp bits (mostly just the claws tbh) of your models longer? So that when Safari inevitably dulls down the sharpness for child safety., the length of the claws would still accurately match up with fossil evidence.
Even if Safari's editing did not drastically shorten the claw, the increased length could still be explained by well-developed keratin sheaths.

For example, your original 2019 Allosaurus sculpt had faithfully depicted the enlarged thumb claw of the genus. But in the final product, this defining trait was unfortunately lost due to Safari's tinkering, leaving round nubs on all 3 fingers that are of equal length.

I've tried different things over the years, lately I make them the correct size but leave the tips blunter than normal in the hopes they will pass the penetration test. I don't make them longer intentionally however I would rather start out with them as accurate as possible and hope for the best rather than having them inaccurate to begin with and ending up worse. In the end they are toys and have to meet the safety regulations and I can live with that.
As @SidB mentions they can be modified.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2020, 02:49:08 PM by Doug Watson »

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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #694 on: October 27, 2020, 04:15:05 AM »
I know it's not 'New For 2020', but it IS 2020 and it's new to me! Loving the Giganotosaurus!




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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #695 on: October 28, 2020, 07:46:11 PM »
I know it's not 'New For 2020', but it IS 2020 and it's new to me! Loving the Giganotosaurus!




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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #696 on: October 28, 2020, 10:27:05 PM »
@Over9K , I like this figure a whole lot too. The paleoartist is a talented person, whoever she/ he is. I think that this is in someway an underrated figure. However it seems to be doing okay in the new poll.

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Re: Safari 2020
« Reply #697 on: October 29, 2020, 11:56:57 AM »
I have a soft spot for it too.  It’s a very elegant figure.  (And has never had problems with staying upright.)

@Over9K , I like this figure a whole lot too. The paleoartist is a talented person, whoever she/ he is. I think that this is in someway an underrated figure. However it seems to be doing okay in the new poll.