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What should "Dilophosaurus" sinensis be renamed?

Started by Yutyrannus, May 28, 2012, 09:20:31 PM

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What should "Dilophosaurus" sinensis be renamed?

Paradilophosaurus
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Dilophoraptorex
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Dicristatusaurus
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Dilovenator
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Dilophovenator
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#21
Quote from: Sharptooth on May 29, 2012, 08:54:24 AM
Quote from: Eriorguez on May 29, 2012, 05:14:49 AM

They aren't sister taxa, therefore one would have to lump into Dilophosaurus all the taxa closer to one than to the other to have a monophyletic clade.

But considering many of these classifications are mostly made up and not "real" (just look at the various phylogenetic studies that make a certain taxon jump in this or that genus), what's wrong with, for example, lumping all the taxa into "Dilophosaurus" (Dilophosaurus ellioti, Dilophosaurus sinensis, dilophosaurus regenti, etc.)... I'm not saying that using this kind of classification in the study of dinosaurs is wrong, but it's far from perfect (the only way to say who's relative to what would be studyin' their DNA but, sadly, it can't fossilize).

The problem is that since most people want genera to be monophyletic, it's very likely that D. sinensis included in Dilophosaurus would render the genus Dilophosaurus an unnatural paparphyletic grouping that includes some but not all descendants of  common ancestor. Put another way, it would mean that all tetanurae evolved from the genus Dilophosaurus, which isn't kosher.

And by the way, if you were to do that and lump all dilophosaurids + tetanurans into one genus, the correct name would be Vultur sinensis. And Vulture rex, and Vultur fragilis, and Vultur antirrhopus, and Vultur domesticus... ;)
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Eriorguez

And then specific names start to overlap, as IIRC there are plenty of domesticus in modern birds alone.

Yutyrannus

#23
Voting locked. Dilophovenator Sinesis won! If anyone here is or knows a paleontologist, please suggest this name to them or, in the case that someone here is a paleontologist, consider it. This species is in needof a name!

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VD231991

This thread may be a decade old, but an unpublished thesis by Xing (2012), a paper by Xing et al. (2013), and the unpublished results of an abstract by Currie et al. (2019) treat "Dilophosaurus" sinensis as a junior synonym of Sinosaurus triassicus, with the Xing (2012) thesis citing an in-preparation work by Currie and colleagues detailing morphological characteristics allying the "D." sinensis holotype with the type specimen of Sinosaurus triassicus. In retrospect, sinensis actually appears to be a synonym of a previously described theropod genus from the Lower Lufeng Formation of Yunnan, China.

Xing, L.D., 2012. Sinosaurus from Southwestern China. Department of Biological Sciences, University of Alberta: 1–286. doi:10.7939/R3HP8F. hdl:10402/era.28454.

Xing, Bell, Rothschild, Ran, Zhang, Dong, Zhang and Currie, 2013. Tooth loss and alveolar remodeling in Sinosaurus triassicus (Dinosauria: Theropoda) from the Lower Jurassic strata of the Lufeng Basin, China. Chinese Science Bulletin. 58(16), 1931-1935.

Currie, Xing, Wu and Dong, 2019. Anatomy and relationships of Sinosaurus triassicus (Theropoda, Coelophysoidea) from the Lufeng Formation (Lower Jurassic) of Yunnan, China. Canadian Society of Vertebrate Palaeontology 2019 Abstracts, p. 17.


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