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Confused about a material

Started by tyrantqueen, July 22, 2012, 03:16:29 AM

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tyrantqueen

Hi,
I have decided I want to try sculpting my own dinosaurs. I am unsure which material I should use for the thin skin membranes of pterosaurs, the skin of a dimetrodon sail etc
Should I just roll polymer clay extremely thin and attach it somehow? Is there a better material I should use? What do the pros do?


Joel

Hmm, there are a couple of things I can think of. Try using wax paper, and then put a very thin film of polymer clay on either side. You could also try foil in place of the wax paper.

tyrantqueen

Quote from: Joel on July 22, 2012, 03:40:15 AM
Hmm, there are a couple of things I can think of. Try using wax paper, and then put a very thin film of polymer clay on either side. You could also try foil in place of the wax paper.
Thanks, I will try that out :)

ZoPteryx

You could try thin elastic latex, like the type rubber gloves are usually made of.  It glues well to baked Sculpey clay.

tyrantqueen

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Quote from: Zopteryx on July 22, 2012, 06:15:36 AM
You could try thin elastic latex, like the type rubber gloves are usually made of.  It glues well to baked Sculpey clay.
Thanks! Does acrylic paint adhere to latex? (I eventually would like to paint the finished sculpture)  Or should I be using the latex as a "base", and then sculpting over it?

ZoPteryx

Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 22, 2012, 08:44:27 AM
Quote from: Zopteryx on July 22, 2012, 06:15:36 AM
You could try thin elastic latex, like the type rubber gloves are usually made of.  It glues well to baked Sculpey clay.
Thanks! Does acrylic paint adhere to latex? (I eventually would like to paint the finished sculpture)  Or should I be using the latex as a "base", and then sculpting over it?

Paint will adhere, but only use a thin covering, otherwise if it flexes the paint could crack.  I suppose you could use latex as a base and sculpt over it, but you'd probably be better off using stiff paper instead if you want to go that route. :)

Yutyrannus

I am also about to start sculpting, and I would like to know: What would be the best material to use to sculpt Charnia?

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tyrantqueen

#7
QuoteI am also about to start sculpting, and I would like to know: What would be the best material to use to sculpt Charnia?

I'm a beginner too, but I think technique is more important than material. Nonetheless, you should go for a good brand of polymer clay no matter what your subject matter is. I like to mix Super Sculpey, and Sculpey Firm 50% ratio. I also use Aves Epoxy putty and Magic Sculp. Other good brands I've heard of are Kato Polyclay (used by Carnegie sculptor Forest Rogers) and Cernit.
Also, maybe you could ask here?
http://www.dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php/topic,395.0.html

Yutyrannus

Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 26, 2012, 06:23:40 AM
QuoteI am also about to start sculpting, and I would like to know: What would be the best material to use to sculpt Charnia?

I'm a beginner too, but I think technique is more important than material. Nonetheless, you should go for a good brand of polymer clay no matter what your subject matter is. I like to mix Super Sculpey, and Sculpey Firm 50% ratio. I also use Aves Epoxy putty and Magic Sculp. Other good brands I've heard of are Kato Polyclay (used by Carnegie sculptor Forest Rogers) and Cernit.
Also, maybe you could ask here?
http://www.dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php/topic,395.0.html
Thanks. I will probably use either the Aves Epoxy or Kato Polyclay.

"The world's still the same. There's just less in it."

Roktman

Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 22, 2012, 03:16:29 AM
Hi,
I have decided I want to try sculpting my own dinosaurs. I am unsure which material I should use for the thin skin membranes of pterosaurs, the skin of a dimetrodon sail etc
Should I just roll polymer clay extremely thin and attach it somehow? Is there a better material I should use? What do the pros do?

FWIW you need to adjust what you use as an armature for membrane to what scale you are building. In any event armature needs to provide a stable base for your clay. So say for a rather large size Dimetrodon I would use metal screen material and lace it with wire for the spines.  For a smaller scale - use a piece of foil.
Another thing to think about is what you are using in relation to the clay you are using. If you want to use super sculpey or some other clay that needs to be baked, you have to use something that won't burn or give off noxious fumes.
I would stick to wire and metal under the clay.
One other thing about baking-  clays like sculpey is that you should only bake 1/2 thickness or less. You you will also need something to bulk the animal out as well - foil work good for this too.
Good luck.

tyrantqueen

Quote from: Roktman on July 29, 2012, 02:07:17 AM
Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 22, 2012, 03:16:29 AM
Hi,
I have decided I want to try sculpting my own dinosaurs. I am unsure which material I should use for the thin skin membranes of pterosaurs, the skin of a dimetrodon sail etc
Should I just roll polymer clay extremely thin and attach it somehow? Is there a better material I should use? What do the pros do?

FWIW you need to adjust what you use as an armature for membrane to what scale you are building. In any event armature needs to provide a stable base for your clay. So say for a rather large size Dimetrodon I would use metal screen material and lace it with wire for the spines.  For a smaller scale - use a piece of foil.
Another thing to think about is what you are using in relation to the clay you are using. If you want to use super sculpey or some other clay that needs to be baked, you have to use something that won't burn or give off noxious fumes.
I would stick to wire and metal under the clay.
One other thing about baking-  clays like sculpey is that you should only bake 1/2 thickness or less. You you will also need something to bulk the animal out as well - foil work good for this too.
Good luck.
Thanks for your advice. I knew about the aluminium foil and wire armature already though :) I did do some research into sculpture before deciding to venture into these dangerous waters ;)

Zhuchengotyrant

Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 26, 2012, 06:23:40 AM
QuoteI am also about to start sculpting, and I would like to know: What would be the best material to use to sculpt Charnia?

I'm a beginner too, but I think technique is more important than material. Nonetheless, you should go for a good brand of polymer clay no matter what your subject matter is. I like to mix Super Sculpey, and Sculpey Firm 50% ratio. I also use Aves Epoxy putty and Magic Sculp. Other good brands I've heard of are Kato Polyclay (used by Carnegie sculptor Forest Rogers) and Cernit.
Also, maybe you could ask here?
http://www.dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php/topic,395.0.html
Hi im new too. I Think apoxie clay would work best.
-Zhuchengotyrant

Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus

TQ, good for you trying this out. Good luck!
Oh, and post pictures!
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Blade-of-the-Moon

Quote from: Zhuchengotyrant on January 06, 2014, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 26, 2012, 06:23:40 AM
QuoteI am also about to start sculpting, and I would like to know: What would be the best material to use to sculpt Charnia?

I'm a beginner too, but I think technique is more important than material. Nonetheless, you should go for a good brand of polymer clay no matter what your subject matter is. I like to mix Super Sculpey, and Sculpey Firm 50% ratio. I also use Aves Epoxy putty and Magic Sculp. Other good brands I've heard of are Kato Polyclay (used by Carnegie sculptor Forest Rogers) and Cernit.
Also, maybe you could ask here?
http://www.dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php/topic,395.0.html
Hi im new too. I Think apoxie clay would work best.

Apoxie works pretty good..you just need the kind with a slow cure time.

tyrantqueen

Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on January 06, 2014, 05:28:26 PM
Quote from: Zhuchengotyrant on January 06, 2014, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 26, 2012, 06:23:40 AM
QuoteI am also about to start sculpting, and I would like to know: What would be the best material to use to sculpt Charnia?

I'm a beginner too, but I think technique is more important than material. Nonetheless, you should go for a good brand of polymer clay no matter what your subject matter is. I like to mix Super Sculpey, and Sculpey Firm 50% ratio. I also use Aves Epoxy putty and Magic Sculp. Other good brands I've heard of are Kato Polyclay (used by Carnegie sculptor Forest Rogers) and Cernit.
Also, maybe you could ask here?
http://www.dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php/topic,395.0.html
Hi im new too. I Think apoxie clay would work best.

Apoxie works pretty good..you just need the kind with a slow cure time.
I dunno why people are commenting on a subject that's nearly two years old...

Zhuchengotyrant

Quote from: tyrantqueen on January 06, 2014, 05:36:14 PM
Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on January 06, 2014, 05:28:26 PM
Quote from: Zhuchengotyrant on January 06, 2014, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 26, 2012, 06:23:40 AM
QuoteI am also about to start sculpting, and I would like to know: What would be the best material to use to sculpt Charnia?

I'm a beginner too, but I think technique is more important than material. Nonetheless, you should go for a good brand of polymer clay no matter what your subject matter is. I like to mix Super Sculpey, and Sculpey Firm 50% ratio. I also use Aves Epoxy putty and Magic Sculp. Other good brands I've heard of are Kato Polyclay (used by Carnegie sculptor Forest Rogers) and Cernit.
Also, maybe you could ask here?
http://www.dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php/topic,395.0.html
Hi im new too. I Think apoxie clay would work best.

Apoxie works pretty good..you just need the kind with a slow cure time.
I dunno why people are commenting on a subject that's nearly two years old...
Im sorry, TQ. I just want to help. Sorry
-Zhuchengotyrant

tyrantqueen

Quote from: Zhuchengotyrant on January 06, 2014, 07:11:08 PM
Quote from: tyrantqueen on January 06, 2014, 05:36:14 PM
Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on January 06, 2014, 05:28:26 PM
Quote from: Zhuchengotyrant on January 06, 2014, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 26, 2012, 06:23:40 AM
QuoteI am also about to start sculpting, and I would like to know: What would be the best material to use to sculpt Charnia?

I'm a beginner too, but I think technique is more important than material. Nonetheless, you should go for a good brand of polymer clay no matter what your subject matter is. I like to mix Super Sculpey, and Sculpey Firm 50% ratio. I also use Aves Epoxy putty and Magic Sculp. Other good brands I've heard of are Kato Polyclay (used by Carnegie sculptor Forest Rogers) and Cernit.
Also, maybe you could ask here?
http://www.dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php/topic,395.0.html
Hi im new too. I Think apoxie clay would work best.

Apoxie works pretty good..you just need the kind with a slow cure time.
I dunno why people are commenting on a subject that's nearly two years old...
Im sorry, TQ. I just want to help. Sorry
It's okay, I was just a bit confused, that's all. Thanks for trying to help though :)

Zhuchengotyrant

Quote from: tyrantqueen on January 06, 2014, 10:45:58 PM
Quote from: Zhuchengotyrant on January 06, 2014, 07:11:08 PM
Quote from: tyrantqueen on January 06, 2014, 05:36:14 PM
Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on January 06, 2014, 05:28:26 PM
Quote from: Zhuchengotyrant on January 06, 2014, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 26, 2012, 06:23:40 AM
QuoteI am also about to start sculpting, and I would like to know: What would be the best material to use to sculpt Charnia?

I'm a beginner too, but I think technique is more important than material. Nonetheless, you should go for a good brand of polymer clay no matter what your subject matter is. I like to mix Super Sculpey, and Sculpey Firm 50% ratio. I also use Aves Epoxy putty and Magic Sculp. Other good brands I've heard of are Kato Polyclay (used by Carnegie sculptor Forest Rogers) and Cernit.
Also, maybe you could ask here?
http://www.dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php/topic,395.0.html
Hi im new too. I Think apoxie clay would work best.

Apoxie works pretty good..you just need the kind with a slow cure time.
I dunno why people are commenting on a subject that's nearly two years old...
Im sorry, TQ. I just want to help. Sorry
It's okay, I was just a bit confused, that's all. Thanks for trying to help though :)
You're welcome
-Zhuchengotyrant

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