Toy Dinosaur hands

[CarnegieCollector]

Ok, almost all of my dinosaur models have their hands pronated, may it be safari, collectA, schleich, papo. You name it. But for dinosaurs it was physically impossible for them to do this. So why do toy companies keep making dinosaurs with broken wrists? And where did it even start? It seems very strange to me. I mean seriously, the Carngie collection dinosaurs are the only ones that I have with their wrists in the right position, and that only goes for the newer ones. So, whats up with that?! Lol!

[Flaffy]

Ok, almost all of my dinosaur models have their hands pronated, may it be safari, collectA, schleich, papo. You name it. But for dinosaurs it was physically impossible for them to do this. So why do toy companies keep making dinosaurs with broken wrists? And where did it even start? It seems very strange to me. I mean seriously, the Carngie collection dinosaurs are the only ones that I have with their wrists in the right position, and that only goes for the newer ones. So, whats up with that?! Lol!

Maybe you've just been collecting old models of dinosaurs. Now we live in a time where most quality models of dinosaurs don't have their hands pronated. There are still a few companies that are lagging behind in terms of scientific accuracy(cough, schleich, cough). But pronated arms in dinosaur models from CollectA, Safari are long in the past. I think the problem is that you've been focusing on the Carnegie models and possibly ignored other companies new releases.
 

[CarnegieCollector]

Ok, almost all of my dinosaur models have their hands pronated, may it be safari, collectA, schleich, papo. You name it. But for dinosaurs it was physically impossible for them to do this. So why do toy companies keep making dinosaurs with broken wrists? And where did it even start? It seems very strange to me. I mean seriously, the Carngie collection dinosaurs are the only ones that I have with their wrists in the right position, and that only goes for the newer ones. So, whats up with that?! Lol!

Maybe you've just been collecting old models of dinosaurs. Now we live in a time where most quality models of dinosaurs don't have their hands pronated. There are still a few companies that are lagging behind in terms of scientific accuracy(cough, schleich, cough). But pronated arms in dinosaur models from CollectA, Safari are long in the past. I think the problem is that you've been focusing on the Carnegie models and possibly ignored other companies new releases.

that very well could be! Lol! I have to say, i haven't been collecting dinosaur models for very long (i only have 30 models from various brands), and yes, the majority of my collection is made up of classic carnegies and schleichs. My logic: collect the older models before you buy the newer ones.

[Flaffy]

My logic: Buy what I want and desire.

[acro-man]

really?
most of my toys have correct hand position.

pronated hands may have been influenced by the mighty phenomenal JP velociraptor.
they are hard to find in today's toys because of science development and anatomy discoveries.
other elements like feathers are begining to thrive too.

naked, shrink-wrapped, pronated handed, over-sized velociraptors are an exception,
which are labelled "JP classic velociraptor" to salute the movie.

[CarnegieCollector]

The only models i have without pronated hands are as follows: carnegie 2009 spinosaurus, papo spinosaurus, carnegie oviraptor, carnegie 2014 T. rex, carnegie giganotosaurus, battat T. Rex, battat nanshingosaurus, and the carnegie diplodocus. All the others i own have pronated wrists. They cry every day and every night, having to live in constant pain and torture of broken hands...

[acro-man]

The only models i have without pronated hands are as follows: carnegie 2009 spinosaurus, papo spinosaurus, carnegie oviraptor, carnegie 2014 T. rex, carnegie giganotosaurus, battat T. Rex, battat nanshingosaurus, and the carnegie diplodocus. All the others i own have pronated wrists. They cry every day and every night, having to live in constant pain and torture of broken hands...

yeah,,,, eternal damnation and tormented souls.
trust me, the best way to avoid this is don't buy them...
no see no pain

[stargatedalek]

If you want to fix them you can try using hot water or a hair dryer to warp them into a preferred position. Or you can cut them off and then glue them back on but rotated.

[CarnegieCollector]

The only models i have without pronated hands are as follows: carnegie 2009 spinosaurus, papo spinosaurus, carnegie oviraptor, carnegie 2014 T. rex, carnegie giganotosaurus, battat T. Rex, battat nanshingosaurus, and the carnegie diplodocus. All the others i own have pronated wrists. They cry every day and every night, having to live in constant pain and torture of broken hands...

yeah,,,, eternal damnation and tormented souls.
trust me, the best way to avoid this is don't buy them...
no see no pain

Lol yeah, that would work!

[CarnegieCollector]

If you want to fix them you can try using hot water or a hair dryer to warp them into a preferred position. Or you can cut them off and then glue them back on but rotated.

thats a very good idea to use the hot water! Never thought of doing that before! Thanks!

[amargasaurus cazaui]

You may want to give a bit of research into the models you are talking about before altering them....it would be incorrect to say all dinosaurs could not pronate their hands. There are exceptions to this rule, as some species demonstrate. There are many hadrosaurid types that had arm bones which were "twisted" or as the animal grew, they slowly became turned so they were in a more pronated manner, without their being forced to pronate as more derived arms in animals do.
   There are also many psittacosaur specimens that display this alternate style of more or less permanent pronation.
This would imply some were in effect due to age, or perhaps bi-pedal vs quadrapedal lifestyles. In any event, by no means would it be correct to state all hadrosaurs or psittacosaurs HAD to have neutral or supinated hands, given that age and so forth seems to have played a role for some
   As the Carnegie collection offers a number of these........
Also of note, the hands on Doug Watson's ceratopsian models and Sauropelta are correctly posed as well, although that is Safari itself, not Carnegie.

[CarnegieCollector]

You may want to give a bit of research into the models you are talking about before altering them....it would be incorrect to say all dinosaurs could not pronate their hands. There are exceptions to this rule, as some species demonstrate. There are many hadrosaurid types that had arm bones which were "twisted" or as the animal grew, they slowly became turned so they were in a more pronated manner, without their being forced to pronate as more derived arms in animals do.
   There are also many psittacosaur specimens that display this alternate style of more or less permanent pronation.
This would imply some were in effect due to age, or perhaps bi-pedal vs quadrapedal lifestyles. In any event, by no means would it be correct to state all hadrosaurs or psittacosaurs HAD to have neutral or supinated hands, given that age and so forth seems to have played a role for some
   As the Carnegie collection offers a number of these........
Also of note, the hands on Doug Watson's ceratopsian models and Sauropelta are correctly posed as well, although that is Safari itself, not Carnegie.

wow! Very interesting! I was wondering bout' hadrosaurs, as it seems uncomfortable and un-natural walking with non-pronated wrists (in the way they walk i mean. I understand that sauropods and ceratopsians walked without pronating their hands). And, the majority of my dinosaurs with "pronated wrists" are indeed quadrupeds and hadrosaurs, so i guess i dont have that many wrong ones! Thanks for the info! And it seems as though your favorite dinosaur is psittacosaurus! Lol!

[amargasaurus cazaui]

I guess it might be fair to say I have a passing like for a few of the psittacosaurus types......just a small one. 

[stargatedalek]

Didn't derived ceratopsians pronate their hands? Or at the very least point their toes forwards?

Thyreophorans are shown so often with pronated wrists and it bothers me to no end because (unlike with theropods) no one ever seems to realize it's wrong.

[CarnegieCollector]

Didn't derived ceratopsians pronate their hands? Or at the very least point their toes forwards?

Thyreophorans are shown so often with pronated wrists and it bothers me to no end because (unlike with theropods) no one ever seems to realize it's wrong.

iv been soooooooo used to seeing triceratops with their toes pointing forwards, that it seems weird seeing them with non pronated hands

[Dinoguy2]

Didn't derived ceratopsians pronate their hands? Or at the very least point their toes forwards?

Not really, ceratopsid hands looked like this (top row):


Note that they're not pronated, but they LOOK pronated because the first few toes are bigger, longer, and have hooves, while the last few toes are sunken and clawless. This basically makes one side of the wrist the "front" and the other side the "back", despite the fact that the wrist itself is pointed away from the body.

[CarnegieCollector]

Didn't derived ceratopsians pronate their hands? Or at the very least point their toes forwards?

Not really, ceratopsid hands looked like this (top row):


Note that they're not pronated, but they LOOK pronated because the first few toes are bigger, longer, and have hooves, while the last few toes are sunken and clawless. This basically makes one side of the wrist the "front" and the other side the "back", despite the fact that the wrist itself is pointed away from the body.

cool! Btw, thats an adorable triceratops. I shall call him "Ned"

[Dinoguy2]

You may want to give a bit of research into the models you are talking about before altering them....it would be incorrect to say all dinosaurs could not pronate their hands. There are exceptions to this rule, as some species demonstrate. There are many hadrosaurid types that had arm bones which were "twisted" or as the animal grew, they slowly became turned so they were in a more pronated manner, without their being forced to pronate as more derived arms in animals do.
   There are also many psittacosaur specimens that display this alternate style of more or less permanent pronation.
This would imply some were in effect due to age, or perhaps bi-pedal vs quadrapedal lifestyles. In any event, by no means would it be correct to state all hadrosaurs or psittacosaurs HAD to have neutral or supinated hands, given that age and so forth seems to have played a role for some
   As the Carnegie collection offers a number of these........
Also of note, the hands on Doug Watson's ceratopsian models and Sauropelta are correctly posed as well, although that is Safari itself, not Carnegie.

wow! Very interesting! I was wondering bout' hadrosaurs, as it seems uncomfortable and un-natural walking with non-pronated wrists (in the way they walk i mean. I understand that sauropods and ceratopsians walked without pronating their hands). And, the majority of my dinosaurs with "pronated wrists" are indeed quadrupeds and hadrosaurs, so i guess i dont have that many wrong ones! Thanks for the info! And it seems as though your favorite dinosaur is psittacosaurus! Lol!

IIRC, sauropods actually DID have pronated hands, with the forearm bones locked into a permanent twist of some kind, I guess like amargaaaurus described. Read this on SV-POW I think but can't find the source...

[Sim]

Yes, some types of dinosaurs like sauropods, hadrosaurs and thyreophorans appear to have achieved a pretty high degree of pronation:

http://comments.deviantart.com/1/581758616/4039621243

http://www.askabiologist.org.uk/answers/viewtopic.php?id=4288