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Started by Blade-of-the-Moon, March 13, 2012, 06:31:07 PM

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Seijun

Blade, that suchi is turning into your best yet.

In lieu of a projector, you should give the grid method a try.
http://www.wikihow.com/Scale-Drawings-Using-the-Grid-Method
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Blade-of-the-Moon

Quote from: Seijun on May 21, 2013, 04:05:35 AM
Blade, that suchi is turning into your best yet.

In lieu of a projector, you should give the grid method a try.
http://www.wikihow.com/Scale-Drawings-Using-the-Grid-Method

Thank you ! I'm quite pleased with how she is progressing. :)

I had considered trying this..I'm about to try a 6' Triceratops head..so now might be a good time. My math is a bit rusty..hopefully I can scale it up appropriately.

Seijun

I would just make it simple. i.e., if your trike head reference has a 10 by 10 grid of 1 inch squares over it, scale it up to a 10 by 10 grid of 1 foot squares, or something like that.
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Quote from: Seijun on May 21, 2013, 05:28:03 AM
I would just make it simple. i.e., if your trike head reference has a 10 by 10 grid of 1 inch squares over it, scale it up to a 10 by 10 grid of 1 foot squares, or something like that.

Well I'm aiming for a 6' Trike head length-wise.  I have a Hartman illustration I'm scaling up using 1 cm = 1 in .  I also just got a Dinostoreus Triceratops skull in today that's 1/10 scale..but it's much huger than my illustration.  I'd be nice to use 1 in = 1 ft.

Seijun

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Print out the Hartman illustration so that the skull is exactly 6 inches long, then you can use 1 inch squares on the illustration, and 1 foot squares on the scaled up drawing. Or for more accuracy, .5 inch squares on the 6 inch long illustration, and .5 foot squares on the scaled drawing.
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Blade-of-the-Moon

I'm working on it, I hope the skull image can be enlarged to that size without too much pixelation. I'm also figuring how best to arrange the foam board for cutting it out, these come in 20x30 " sheets. I'll work more tonight. :)

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Quote from: Jetoar on May 22, 2013, 10:11:57 AM
Lovely Logo, Suchomimus is cool  ^-^.

Thanks !

I think so, Sucho was just gaining popularity when Spinosaurus came into the limelight again and stole his audience, but I've always liked Sucho's skull more than Spino.  It's pretty impressive for an underdog.. ;)

Blade-of-the-Moon

Anyone have a diagram of " Stan's " the T-Rex's skull with measurements on it , width in particular ? I think I've seen one somewhere but can't recall where exactly. I need it for the 1/1 Rex head I'm working on.

wings

Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on May 22, 2013, 05:26:46 PM
Anyone have a diagram of " Stan's " the T-Rex's skull with measurements on it , width in particular ? I think I've seen one somewhere but can't recall where exactly. I need it for the 1/1 Rex head I'm working on.


This is "Stan's" skull from Witmer's site which I'm sure that you have seen. It has a scale bar on it so I don't get why you can't use that? The model is a 1/6 replica of Stan's skull (http://www.bhigr.com/catalog/product_pages/BHIGR_STANSkull-RapidProto.pdf) so isn't that all you have to do is to just simply multiply what ever measurements you get from the photo by 6?

Blade-of-the-Moon

I have reasons.  First it's a scale model, not bad but it looked a bit inaccurate looking at the 1:1 skull as well. I've been trying to get my hands on the new Stan replica Favorite for a decent price.  Second the scale bar there is so bright with the camera flash I can't read it well. :/

This head is being a bear in more ways than one, my usual method is proving quite difficult with something this size.  On top of that I'm trying to finish the Sucho, Anky, the new picnic area for the Park , figure out a 1:1 Velociraptor, 6' Triceratops head and do general maintenance. It's just a ton of work so if there exists a diagram someone has done of the head already out there with measurements it would just be a HUGE help.

wings

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Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on May 25, 2013, 03:07:45 PM
I have reasons.  First it's a scale model, not bad but it looked a bit inaccurate looking at the 1:1 skull as well. I've been trying to get my hands on the new Stan replica Favorite for a decent price.  Second the scale bar there is so bright with the camera flash I can't read it well. :/

This head is being a bear in more ways than one, my usual method is proving quite difficult with something this size.  On top of that I'm trying to finish the Sucho, Anky, the new picnic area for the Park , figure out a 1:1 Velociraptor, 6' Triceratops head and do general maintenance. It's just a ton of work so if there exists a diagram someone has done of the head already out there with measurements it would just be a HUGE help.
Yes, it is a scaled down "model" but it is also a replica. Did you read how it was made? Stan's skull was found disarticulated, the 1/6 replica was reproduced via 3D scan of each fossil elements. They weren't sculpted... (read pdf from previous post). I highly doubt it's that inaccurate to the original materials (form wise) apart from its size. As for the scale bar, I'm not sure what is your screen like but once you've click onto the image (http://www.oucom.ohiou.edu/dbms-witmer/collections/Theropods/tyrannosaurusstan.htm) you can clearly see it as 8 centimetres (you have to minus the front and back ends of course.). I don't think you have really click onto the images at all... I have an old computer and monitor myself but I can see it.



Not sure what you perceived as the "real" (most accurate) skull but from looking at the above diagram; they don't look that much of a difference (you have to understand that it would be hard to find a photo of both (the actual skull and the replica) to point at the exact same angle so there would be slight differences). The only noticeable one is the dip along the nose ridge, however I'm not sure whether it (the dip) is a real structure or not perhaps it is the way the bones are fitted together. You can also see Hartman's illustration (the third illustration from the top ) that the animal has quiet a straight nose ridge (which is quite alike the 1/6th replica).

It is unfortunate but what you are asking for is an open and shut question (the width); I don't think any members have an answer to this yet (as the skull is disarticulated) since someone would have probably posted a direct answer by now. So the next best thing would be to show you how to acquire it (in this case doing some scaling from the 1/6th "replica" which have very much all the view needed to build the head). I think it is fair for you to do a little calculation (I'm sure that you weren't expect us to do it for you, right?).   If you are looking at something specific (like measurement of the skeletal elements on Stan) then you'll just have to find a way to do it yourself; since what you are after is a monograph on "Stan" which doesn't exist... :-)


Blade-of-the-Moon

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It didn't look exact to me compared with other images I've seen.

My computer is an older model as well and perhaps it's the contrast settings or whatever but the lines and numbers are hard to make out maybe it's my crappy vision.

I only ask in passing, if someone had one or knew of one, excellent, it would save me quiet a bit of effort and I could focus that saved time on furthering other projects.  I'm not sure exactly what you meant there..if some member did want to assist me by working up a diagram I would be exceedingly grateful and appreciate the help, of course I never expect anything and have grown quite used to doing many things on my own.  I'm certain one exists somewhere seeing how many reconstructions there are, it's just not accessible for use if it can't be found online. 

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wings

Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on May 26, 2013, 03:10:31 AM
...I only ask in passing, if someone had one or knew of one, excellent, it would save me quiet a bit of effort and I could focus that saved time on furthering other projects.  I'm not sure exactly what you meant there..if some member did want to assist me by working up a diagram I would be exceedingly grateful and appreciate the help, of course I never expect anything and have grown quite used to doing many things on my own.  I'm certain one exists somewhere seeing how many reconstructions there are, it's just not accessible for use if it can't be found online. 
I just thought that from looking at the CT scanned 1/6th replica; you have the view (top) and you also have the scale bar.  And I think all is needed is just to scale it up. If you're not satisfied with just that then I would think that what you are after is for us to do the scaling for you as well. I mean what more is there to do after you have the figures and the scale bar? Stan's skull is famous for being complete (lacks only the right articular and the left "superdentary") and relatively undistorted. Also it is important for being disarticulated so each elements could be easily examined. So it is likely why it is hard to find an exact dimension of the skull. I suppose the many reconstructions out there (at last some of them) are done via the person (artist) actually doing the measurement him/herself. Personally I would try to finish everything at hand then proceed to the next; I honestly don't see being busy with other projects is a good enough reason to not try to work it out yourself. I would very much wait and do the next project later. If I don't have time to do it I just won't start on too many projects (unless it has a deadline and it is a proper job for people, if it's just a hobby then I don't see what's the rush...).

Blade-of-the-Moon

Quote from: wings on May 26, 2013, 07:49:22 AM
Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on May 26, 2013, 03:10:31 AM
...I only ask in passing, if someone had one or knew of one, excellent, it would save me quiet a bit of effort and I could focus that saved time on furthering other projects.  I'm not sure exactly what you meant there..if some member did want to assist me by working up a diagram I would be exceedingly grateful and appreciate the help, of course I never expect anything and have grown quite used to doing many things on my own.  I'm certain one exists somewhere seeing how many reconstructions there are, it's just not accessible for use if it can't be found online. 

I just thought that from looking at the CT scanned 1/6th replica; you have the view (top) and you also have the scale bar.  And I think all is needed is just to scale it up. If you're not satisfied with just that then I would think that what you are after is for us to do the scaling for you as well. I mean what more is there to do after you have the figures and the scale bar? Stan's skull is famous for being complete (lacks only the right articular and the left "superdentary") and relatively undistorted. Also it is important for being disarticulated so each elements could be easily examined. So it is likely why it is hard to find an exact dimension of the skull. I suppose the many reconstructions out there (at last some of them) are done via the person (artist) actually doing the measurement him/herself. Personally I would try to finish everything at hand then proceed to the next; I honestly don't see being busy with other projects is a good enough reason to not try to work it out yourself. I would very much wait and do the next project later. If I don't have time to do it I just won't start on too many projects (unless it has a deadline and it is a proper job for people, if it's just a hobby then I don't see what's the rush...).

I believe I mentioned I couldn't see the scale bar well.  Saying it like that implies I don't want to do it myself to me which is untrue. I just asked to see what's out there, if one was accessible it would save time and effort like with anything. It would only help if it were available, if it's not that's fine too.   All my projects have deadlines. I have a small window to expand the dino park during the busiest season here. I also have projects for the fall season that have to be planned and figured. I'm also managing our budget as well workload, trying to find sponsors, advertising, update our pages, ect..it's a lot of time consuming work to be honest. When I get up I'm working and it doesn't really stop til I go to bed. I'm doing my best to make my dream and vision work, tossing every dime and drop of blood into it. I'm sacrificing quite a bit to make it happen.

wings

Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on May 26, 2013, 03:36:20 PM
I believe I mentioned I couldn't see the scale bar well.  Saying it like that implies I don't want to do it myself to me which is untrue. I just asked to see what's out there, if one was accessible it would save time and effort like with anything. It would only help if it were available, if it's not that's fine too.   All my projects have deadlines. I have a small window to expand the dino park during the busiest season here. I also have projects for the fall season that have to be planned and figured. I'm also managing our budget as well workload, trying to find sponsors, advertising, update our pages, ect..it's a lot of time consuming work to be honest. When I get up I'm working and it doesn't really stop til I go to bed. I'm doing my best to make my dream and vision work, tossing every dime and drop of blood into it. I'm sacrificing quite a bit to make it happen.
Like I've explained earlier I assumed that you didn't enlarge the photo and didn't see the scale (since I can see it clearly on my screen whether it is enlarged or not).  Unfortunately if you can't see it then you just can't see it and if you can't cut down on the projects then you just can't. If someone is paying you to finish it at a certain time then that can't be help. Perhaps next time you should plan it better which you should include the time for research as well and ask for more time (and tell your sponsors that otherwise it's just not going to happen). This kind of project just requires time.

Since as you've mentioned earlier that you've seen all these Stan's photos (which is different to to CT scanned replica) I'm sure that it can't be too hard to workout the width as you've already carved out the length already. I shall probably just refer you to the references (if any) in the future.

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