Jurassic Park 4 [Jurassic World] (no spoilers)

[amargasaurus cazaui]

A good theory but my take on the movie was that the pterosaurs were locked up in the aviary until Grant and company accidentally let them out. I realize there is a problem with my theory as well because we can see pterosaurs flying free at the end of TLW. I wonder if that is just a continuity error though because it seemed like they put a lot of emphasis on the pterosaurs escaping in JP3.

Yes I see the possible conflicts, but if you have to reconcile it all, to me that is the only way to explain away the killer cloud and the tree chewed victim , although I agree they did place emphasis on containing the pterosaurs it seemed like. My version read something like...well the two islands were close together...perhaps the pterosaurus managed to spread ...from the first perhaps?That would make things much simpler.

[Gwangi]

A good theory but my take on the movie was that the pterosaurs were locked up in the aviary until Grant and company accidentally let them out. I realize there is a problem with my theory as well because we can see pterosaurs flying free at the end of TLW. I wonder if that is just a continuity error though because it seemed like they put a lot of emphasis on the pterosaurs escaping in JP3.

Yes I see the possible conflicts, but if you have to reconcile it all, to me that is the only way to explain away the killer cloud and the tree chewed victim , although I agree they did place emphasis on containing the pterosaurs it seemed like. My version read something like...well the two islands were close together...perhaps the pterosaurus managed to spread ...from the first perhaps?That would make things much simpler.

It is the best conclusion I can think of if we were forced to come up with one. But maybe these people were attacked not by pterosaurs but by a pack of Microraptors that we won't actually see until the fourth movie! That would explain the face being eaten away on the step-father.  I'm kidding of course.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Recall the Alpha Pteranodon toy ?



As per the script this was our supposed to be the creature that attacked the boat. The idea made it all the way to the script, toys, and maquettes at SWS...but it's scenes were cut in favor of suspense and hiding the pteranodons til later.   That's real reason..now as far as the film..it could be many things..but pterosaurs still make sense to me as the culprit.

As to how the friend of the family there died in the tree and still in his harness. I have no real idea. He wasn't eaten by anything big, no bones laying around he wasn't torn apart..my only guess is maybe it was the Raptors. They broke his neck and left him hanging there after entering their territory. No interest in making him food..but nothing else would approach sop close to their nests.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Recall the Alpha Pteranodon toy ?



As per the script this was our supposed to be the creature that attacked the boat. The idea made it all the way to the script, toys, and maquettes at SWS...but it's scenes were cut in favor of suspense and hiding the pteranodons til later.   That's real reason..now as far as the film..it could be many things..but pterosaurs still make sense to me as the culprit.

As to how the friend of the family there died in the tree and still in his harness. I have no real idea. He wasn't eaten by anything big, no bones laying around he wasn't torn apart..my only guess is maybe it was the Raptors. They broke his neck and left him hanging there after entering their territory. No interest in making him food..but nothing else would approach sop close to their nests.

Might just be my faulty memory there, but wasn't he up a bit high in the tree to be eaten by anything on the ground? I seem to remember thinking it almost HAD to be a pterosaur, or pteranadon, given the fact the body was not eaten like it would be if attacked by a large predatorial terrestrial predator. Unless the Einsteinraptors had also evolved to climb trees?

[ajax]

I always thought that the boat crash was caused by the Spinosaurus hunting in the water.

[DinoToyForum]

I always thought that the boat crash was caused by the Spinosaurus hunting in the water.

Me too! That's what I always presumed. In the context of the film it makes the most sense, because later we actually do see the Spinosaurus swim and attack a boat. I never considered the pterosaurs responsible, (the brief non-sensical appearance in Lost World aside), because they are clearly locked in the 'aviary' until the end of the film. Unless they figured out how to open doors (and close doors behind them)   The final scene even emphasises the pterosaurs break for freedom. So if the script says it was pterosaurs, the film makers did a terrible job. How about a distinctive screech or roar so we could at least put two and two together later?

While I'm here, I order the trilogy 1,3,2. Both sequels pale in comparison to the original. I think I'd rather see a remake/reboot of the original JP than a new sequel - given recent trends I wouldn't put it past them.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I always thought that the boat crash was caused by the Spinosaurus hunting in the water.

Me too! That's what I always presumed. In the context of the film it makes the most sense, because later we actually do see the Spinosaurus swim and attack a boat. I never considered the pterosaurs responsible, (the brief non-sensical appearance in Lost World aside), because they are clearly locked in the 'aviary' until the end of the film. Unless they figured out how to open doors (and close doors behind them)   The final scene even emphasises the pterosaurs break for freedom. So if the script says it was pterosaurs, the film makers did a terrible job. How about a distinctive screech or roar so we could at least put two and two together later?

While I'm here, I order the trilogy 1,3,2. Both sequels pale in comparison to the original. I think I'd rather see a remake/reboot of the original JP than a new sequel - given recent trends I wouldn't put it past them.

I didn't recall the body being so high up myself..the script they stop just 10' from the forest floor.  It also says " There's GURGLING to his voice. Ben may be more hurt than he's
   letting on. "
..and a bit later it describes him as getting weaker as he replies on the video they watch.  So from what i gather he died from internal injuries during the fall then just hung up there.


I had originally thought to blame the spinosaurus for the attack on the DINO-SOAR boat..but they are pretty far out..even for a spinosaurus I think to swim.

[tyrantqueen]

One thing that I never understood from watching the film...why did they use amphibian DNA instead of, for example, bird DNA? I mean, a bird would be closer right?

I haven't read the original Jurassic Park novel, or its sequels, so maybe I missed out on the background for that

[Horridus]

One thing that I never understood from watching the film...why did they use amphibian DNA instead of, for example, bird DNA? I mean, a bird would be closer right?

In the book it's a plot device that allows the dinosaurs to exhibit certain amphibian traits, such as having difficulty detecting animals that aren't moving (a trait of the T. rex in the film, but one that isn't explained as such - it applies to multiple dinosaurs in the novel). Also, it's just part of the commentary on how these aren't really dinosaurs, they're genetically engineered monstrosities and science has gone too far etc. etc. In the book, it's clear that InGen have been a little...slapdash in putting together their safari park full of gigantic, carnivorous animals.

[Gwangi]

One thing that I never understood from watching the film...why did they use amphibian DNA instead of, for example, bird DNA? I mean, a bird would be closer right?

In the book it's a plot device that allows the dinosaurs to exhibit certain amphibian traits, such as having difficulty detecting animals that aren't moving (a trait of the T. rex in the film, but one that isn't explained as such - it applies to multiple dinosaurs in the novel). Also, it's just part of the commentary on how these aren't really dinosaurs, they're genetically engineered monstrosities and science has gone too far etc. etc. In the book, it's clear that InGen have been a little...slapdash in putting together their safari park full of gigantic, carnivorous animals.

One of those traits would be the sex changing that Grant mentioned in the movie. Some amphibians can change sex and so by giving the the dinosaurs amphibian DNA they gave them that trait, thus allowing a population of females to breed. It was an important plot device in the movies, without it I don't see how they could explain breeding dinosaurs in the JP sequels.

[Metallisuchus]

I always thought that the boat crash was caused by the Spinosaurus hunting in the water.

Me too! That's what I always presumed. In the context of the film it makes the most sense, because later we actually do see the Spinosaurus swim and attack a boat. I never considered the pterosaurs responsible, (the brief non-sensical appearance in Lost World aside), because they are clearly locked in the 'aviary' until the end of the film. Unless they figured out how to open doors (and close doors behind them)   The final scene even emphasises the pterosaurs break for freedom. So if the script says it was pterosaurs, the film makers did a terrible job. How about a distinctive screech or roar so we could at least put two and two together later?

While I'm here, I order the trilogy 1,3,2. Both sequels pale in comparison to the original. I think I'd rather see a remake/reboot of the original JP than a new sequel - given recent trends I wouldn't put it past them.

I always thought each film was lesser than the previous, ridiculous San Diego fiasco aside. And I was thinking the same thing - perhaps remaking it wouldn't be such a terrible idea (I usually hate remakes) and it's not even that the effects are outdated or that it's not 'modern enough' or anything like that - just that I want MORE and it's getting harder and harder to justify proper sequels. I just think that if they remade it, they should either correct some of the inaccuracies and/or follow the book a little closer.

[pylraster]

I don't know, I liked the Lost World better than the original and the third. The little tyrannosaur was adorable. But I still cringe whenever I remember the gymnastics vs raptors scene.... ugh.

[tyrantqueen]

I don't know, I liked the Lost World better than the original and the third. The little tyrannosaur was adorable. But I still cringe whenever I remember the gymnastics vs raptors scene.... ugh.

The Lost World has some interesting scenes compared to the original. Like the part with the two trailers getting pushed off the edge by the parent rexes.

Also, Pete Postlethwaite (RIP) was just....awesome Especially when he pwned that American guy in the deleted scene XD

[Brontozaurus]

My not-at-all serious boat theory is that the white cloud is the Isla Sorna cousin of the smoke monster from Lost, and it ate both the boat and the stepdad.

I always thought it was the Pteranodons that did it, though when I first saw JPIII I has a little hope that it was actually a marine reptile that we would see later on. To be honest I prefer the Spinosaurus explanation because 'Pteranodons-did-it' creates a plot hole, as the Pteranodons are locked in the aviary at the start of the film and are only let out later.

In terms of the quality of the films, I found III to be better than the Lost World. III wants nothing more than to be a series of scenes where dinosaurs attack people, and it generally succeeds. The Lost World tries to replicate the semi-intellectual bits of JP, trading science-gone-wrong for environmental themes that don't actually work because the dinosaurs aren't at all native to the island and so 'they belong in the wild!' falls flat. Also the protagonists are absolute morons, Harding in particular. She's supposedly a star naturalist, except she does so much stupid stuff and gets people killed that you wonder how she got that title (personally I think she's a raptor in a human suit).

[Metallisuchus]

My not-at-all serious boat theory is that the white cloud is the Isla Sorna cousin of the smoke monster from Lost, and it ate both the boat and the stepdad.

I always thought it was the Pteranodons that did it, though when I first saw JPIII I has a little hope that it was actually a marine reptile that we would see later on. To be honest I prefer the Spinosaurus explanation because 'Pteranodons-did-it' creates a plot hole, as the Pteranodons are locked in the aviary at the start of the film and are only let out later.

In terms of the quality of the films, I found III to be better than the Lost World. III wants nothing more than to be a series of scenes where dinosaurs attack people, and it generally succeeds. The Lost World tries to replicate the semi-intellectual bits of JP, trading science-gone-wrong for environmental themes that don't actually work because the dinosaurs aren't at all native to the island and so 'they belong in the wild!' falls flat. Also the protagonists are absolute morons, Harding in particular. She's supposedly a star naturalist, except she does so much stupid stuff and gets people killed that you wonder how she got that title (personally I think she's a raptor in a human suit).

I was actually watching "TLW" over the weekend and kept asking myself, "how does an expert in carnivorous wildlife walk around with a vest covered in juvenile rex blood, knowing that tyrannosaurs have an excellent olfactory sense and are very parental???".

[amargasaurus cazaui]

........Harding in particular. She's supposedly a star naturalist, except she does so much stupid stuff and gets people killed that you wonder how she got that title (personally I think she's a raptor in a human suit).

I was actually watching "TLW" over the weekend and kept asking myself, "how does an expert in carnivorous wildlife walk around with a vest covered in juvenile rex blood, knowing that tyrannosaurs have an excellent olfactory sense and are very parental???".

I have the answer for this part. See, the mosquitos would land and remove the blood from the vest, leaving only the stain, so that Tyrannosaurus could be reinvented again in another hundred million years, assuring reboots and sequels till man is extinct.

[Metallisuchus]

........Harding in particular. She's supposedly a star naturalist, except she does so much stupid stuff and gets people killed that you wonder how she got that title (personally I think she's a raptor in a human suit).

I was actually watching "TLW" over the weekend and kept asking myself, "how does an expert in carnivorous wildlife walk around with a vest covered in juvenile rex blood, knowing that tyrannosaurs have an excellent olfactory sense and are very parental???".

I have the answer for this part. See, the mosquitos would land and remove the blood from the vest, leaving only the stain, so that Tyrannosaurus could be reinvented again in another hundred million years, assuring reboots and sequels till man is extinct.

Haha I think you just came up with part 4.  Not any worse than the raptor-human hybrids with machine guns!

[Gwangi]

My not-at-all serious boat theory is that the white cloud is the Isla Sorna cousin of the smoke monster from Lost, and it ate both the boat and the stepdad.

I always thought it was the Pteranodons that did it, though when I first saw JPIII I has a little hope that it was actually a marine reptile that we would see later on. To be honest I prefer the Spinosaurus explanation because 'Pteranodons-did-it' creates a plot hole, as the Pteranodons are locked in the aviary at the start of the film and are only let out later.

In terms of the quality of the films, I found III to be better than the Lost World. III wants nothing more than to be a series of scenes where dinosaurs attack people, and it generally succeeds. The Lost World tries to replicate the semi-intellectual bits of JP, trading science-gone-wrong for environmental themes that don't actually work because the dinosaurs aren't at all native to the island and so 'they belong in the wild!' falls flat. Also the protagonists are absolute morons, Harding in particular. She's supposedly a star naturalist, except she does so much stupid stuff and gets people killed that you wonder how she got that title (personally I think she's a raptor in a human suit).

I was actually watching "TLW" over the weekend and kept asking myself, "how does an expert in carnivorous wildlife walk around with a vest covered in juvenile rex blood, knowing that tyrannosaurs have an excellent olfactory sense and are very parental???".

Harding's character is one of those things that keeps me from truly enjoying TLW like I did JP or even JP3. She is so stupid! And a hypocrite at that. She breaks all the rules of wildlife observation. She touches that baby Stegosaurus and afterwards nags on and on about keeping "our presence unknown". "I don't like that, dinosaurs can smell cigarette smoke" she says or "if we so much as bend a blade of grass". Give me a break! She says these things AFTER molesting a baby dinosaur and getting the stegosaur herd all in an uproar! Then she lets Van-Owen bring that baby Tyrannosaurus into the trailer, a real wildlife biologist would have let it die. And of course in doing so she screws over the entire team leading to Eddie Carr's death. I don't need to mention the blood soaked jacket and open candy wrappers. All these things make my brain scream whenever I watch that movie. I don't think anyone in JP3 is even THAT stupid. The deaths of countless movie characters can be attributed directly to her and Van-Owen. Did the writers of this movie not see this? They should have looked closer at the source material because the book is much better.

And oh yeah, Hammond's team letting those dinosaurs out of their cages? How is that in anyway justifiable? Those people were basically Eco-terrorists, especially Van-Owen. When is risking human lives in order to save genetically engineered dinosaurs acceptable? Personally, I would have rather been with the InGen team, a few questionable characters excluded.

[Brontozaurus]

My not-at-all serious boat theory is that the white cloud is the Isla Sorna cousin of the smoke monster from Lost, and it ate both the boat and the stepdad.

I always thought it was the Pteranodons that did it, though when I first saw JPIII I has a little hope that it was actually a marine reptile that we would see later on. To be honest I prefer the Spinosaurus explanation because 'Pteranodons-did-it' creates a plot hole, as the Pteranodons are locked in the aviary at the start of the film and are only let out later.

In terms of the quality of the films, I found III to be better than the Lost World. III wants nothing more than to be a series of scenes where dinosaurs attack people, and it generally succeeds. The Lost World tries to replicate the semi-intellectual bits of JP, trading science-gone-wrong for environmental themes that don't actually work because the dinosaurs aren't at all native to the island and so 'they belong in the wild!' falls flat. Also the protagonists are absolute morons, Harding in particular. She's supposedly a star naturalist, except she does so much stupid stuff and gets people killed that you wonder how she got that title (personally I think she's a raptor in a human suit).

I was actually watching "TLW" over the weekend and kept asking myself, "how does an expert in carnivorous wildlife walk around with a vest covered in juvenile rex blood, knowing that tyrannosaurs have an excellent olfactory sense and are very parental???".

Harding's character is one of those things that keeps me from truly enjoying TLW like I did JP or even JP3. She is so stupid! And a hypocrite at that. She breaks all the rules of wildlife observation. She touches that baby Stegosaurus and afterwards nags on and on about keeping "our presence unknown". "I don't like that, dinosaurs can smell cigarette smoke" she says or "if we so much as bend a blade of grass". Give me a break! She says these things AFTER molesting a baby dinosaur and getting the stegosaur herd all in an uproar! Then she lets Van-Owen bring that baby Tyrannosaurus into the trailer, a real wildlife biologist would have let it die. And of course in doing so she screws over the entire team leading to Eddie Carr's death. I don't need to mention the blood soaked jacket and open candy wrappers. All these things make my brain scream whenever I watch that movie. I don't think anyone in JP3 is even THAT stupid. The deaths of countless movie characters can be attributed directly to her and Van-Owen. Did the writers of this movie not see this? They should have looked closer at the source material because the book is much better.

A few weeks ago I held a marathon of the JP movies. We determined that Harding hit her head at some point before the film began and consequently was suffering from brain damage the entire time.

Also we explained every single plot hole with 'frog DNA', regardless of what the plot hole actually was. Inconsistent tyrannosaur behaviour? Frog DNA. Sudden changes in topography? Frog DNA.

[Roselaar]

Also we explained every single plot hole with 'frog DNA', regardless of what the plot hole actually was. Inconsistent tyrannosaur behaviour? Frog DNA. Sudden changes in topography? Frog DNA.

SS Venture massacre? Frog DNA? Might as well be, it defies all logic given by the Lost World movie itself.