Jurassic Park 4 [Jurassic World] (no spoilers)

[TJ_Terrorsaur]

I'm so excited I nearly gave myself an asthma attack. I am super freaking excited for this film and shall be very addicted to this and all of the trailers that come out. The mosasaur looked incredible and I loved seeing her inner teeth (I can't remember what they're called). I loved the raptors running with Pratt on his motorcycle. Needless to say I wanted to scream in delight and do a back flip. I'm not all that well versed on D-Rex but would love to know more about her, so if anyone could PM me about her that would be awesome.
I'm hoping to be at the midnight showing of this film, if they release it a day early I'll be there for it too and I will be seeing it in theaters as many times as I can.

[tyrantqueen]

The mosasaur looked incredible and I loved seeing her inner teeth (I can't remember what they're called).

I think it's called the pterygoid.

[Meso-Cenozoic]

We had a vote on the most iconic scene in the Jurassic Park films to date and the winner was that scene in JP1 when the Brachiosaurus is revealed and cinema goers see for the first time a giant dinosaur.

I love that scene too. Feels like a dream come true for anyone, seeing a real dinosaur alive. And the music is just epic.

I remember it as if it were yesterday. When I first saw this scene on the big screen, I started smiling so wide it actually started to hurt. LOL! Then almost immediately after that I began to tear up so badly I started getting angry with myself because I couldn't see the screen as well any longer. Haha! I also recall saying to myself, "It's a real dinosaur!"

I never get tired seeing this scene...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJlmYh27MHg&list=FLuUkt23rJSgqvVZeCUsfjTw&index=1

[Gwangi]

So if a new explosion if toys is gonna happen, they won't be depicting the current, new vanguardist ideas. They will be depicting THE SAME ones as the toylines from 20 years back.

I don't think so, not from the companies we collect. I don't think Doug will ditch his accurate modern sculpts for outdated '90's dinosaurs.

And yes, there were dinosaur toys before JP but they really don't compare. Invicta was producing the only dinosaurs at a set scale pre-JP ASAIK until Carnegie came along in the late 80's and Battat in the early '90's. Before that, toy dinosaurs were around but they were by the likes of Marx and AAA. Hardly a worthy comparison to CollectA, Safari, Kaiyodo, Favorite...the list goes on.

But I'm not trying to join in this argument, just my opinion on that particular point. Welcome back to the site! You've really come back with a *bang*!

[Brontozaurus]

I'm mildly interested. On one hand, dinosaurs. Also Chris Pratt. On the other hand I'm as depressed by the 90s retrosaurs as nearly everyone else.

[stargatedalek]

I highly doubt JW will have that huge of an impact outside of its own official toylines, not to mention that the impact of JP is still ever present, I really don't think JW will change much
after all its not exactly like many brands currently aren't still using outdated ideas without the pressure of a new JP movie

no matter what new science comes along, the "awesombro" styled pieces will never disappear completely

[Aram-Rex]

I'm also very hopefull of seeing a new JPOG or JWOG game. I know there's a game like JP Builder, but still. Would be refreshing!

[CityRaptor]

Personally I think that a big blockbuster with feathered Dinosaurs would make an impact. But since JW stays retro, things will likely stay the same. Although, you might expect to see pictures of the D-rex to pop up in Dinosaur calendars and badly made children's books. Happened to the Vastatosaurus from King Kong, too.

[stargatedalek]

I'm also very hopefull of seeing a new JPOG or JWOG game. I know there's a game like JP Builder, but still. Would be refreshing!

well there is still Prehistoric Kingdom
the creators have described it as the "spiritual successor" to JPOG and Zoo Tycoon 2

[Foxilized]

so you "don't think nothing" so I guess you do think something?

Is that a strategy to dissimulate the fact that I showed you up? 

Don't be so ridiculous, just as Blade said I did read your post I just needed to quote the pertinent point. By saying you are silly too that doesn't absolve you of insulting everyone here who does like the JP movies. You are new here so let me explain that we are discouraged from long quotes.

First I am elitist, now I am ridiculous? 

Well, if this is the tone of the game you are propposing sir, I must advice you I am not half bad on fencing. 

Ridiculous, my friend, is that you isolate one sentence, to answer it ignoring the text as a whole. As I said on it (and I still doubt you read it) I LOVE the JP movies and defend their virtues. I think this JW movie will have virtues indeed. Same time I critizice their defects. Seems you only read the last part and overlook the first, maybe cause you just want to argue. Ok. As said I am not half bad at fencing.

And no, I am no new here. You just don't know me. I have probably been a forum member... for longer than you have been.  I want you to know since age apparently marks some kind of hierachy to you.

I was talking about how many at the time the movie came out not from the beginning of time. There was one main line that was considered the most scientifically accurate, the Battat series. There were others Invicta etc but they were not as up to date and they were produced in monochrome plastic. Carnegie wasn't at the point where it is today. I feel there are more now competing for the scientifically accurate title and there are certainly more companies doing obscure species today in fully painted form.

Sorry, I came here for debate but not for this.

You said we had to thank "Jurassic Park" for making dinosaurs popular. Your words. I told you that wasn't so true, and exposed my reasons, to support my point on what "JP" should be thanked for, and what this new movie should be not.

Now if you don't have anything to answer to my argument, it's ok. But if you ignore it as it didn't existed, this whole thing loses any meaning.

Again thank you for (...) to call my intelligence into question "spect, shuld"?

English is not my native languaje, still... Hey I am writting to you on it!  If you prefer we change and continue the conversation on spanish. And that way you can prove whatever you want to prove. 

Again thank you for being so condescending (...) Of course I understand the reason so many here do not like the JP movies and their depiction of dinosaurs considering todays scientific understanding of them the point I was trying to make was I couldn't understand the hate on a "DINO" forum where members are dinosaur enthusiasts and I will not go into all the reasons again.

Sorry, old man. But nope. Again I remind you: it was you who started your rant with "I will never understand why...", therefore it wasn't exactly the deduction of the century when I assumed that "you will never understand" what I tried to explain. Even more, that you call me arrogant just for taking your word is actually... another of those ridiculous thingies. 

And that sentence, man, that is something! First you say OF COURSE YOU DO UNDERSTAND why the forum hates JP, and then in same sentence you end saying you DON'T UNDERSTAND why the forum hates JP.
You just killed me. 

And for your information I would guess that I have probably been a dinosaur geek for longer than you have been on this earth.

Waving your age won't make you be right, sir.
But you know that already for sure, I guess.

If something it makes you worth of my respect. As a long time collector, as a JP fan whom I share the love for the movies (this is what I am trying you to understand when I told you to read all what I said, instead of isolating the critics) and as a human being. So receive my best wishes. But I truly don't want to continue this non-debate, and I am already taking my saber back to its scabbard and give this battle for finished, if that is ok with you, Gentleman.

[leidy]

Looks like they've found a new way for a JP sequel to jump the shark.

I'm mildly interested. On one hand, dinosaurs. Also Chris Pratt. On the other hand I'm as depressed by the 90s retrosaurs as nearly everyone else.

inaccuracies in the returning dinosaurs I can overlook.  If they're continuing in the same continuity as the previous films, I can understand them retaining certain inaccuracies for the sake of consistency.  It's the new stuff they're introducing I take issue with.  I particularly don't like that line "we have our first genetically modified hybrid"... as if the previous JP dinosaurs weren't already modified hybrids (it was how we used to explain away the various inaccuracies).

And again, I fundamentally don't like the idea of including explicitly made-up dinosaurs in a JP movie.  Seems like it undercuts the whole idea of Jurassic Park, as a place where you go to see real dinosaurs.  If the film was Mutant Monster World, fair enough.  A big part of the public fascination with dinosaurs is that they actually existed.  There are so many actual cool dinosaurs they ignore because they think they can do better. 

Talking about it with my brother, who might be an even bigger fan of the original than I am, he felt the effects looked very artificial.  I think some of it is those swooping computer camera moves over the obviously digital monorail.  We also agreed that the stegosauruses looked better in TLW.  Although we await finalized VFX improvements.

So, nit-picking all round.  Not that it doesn't look like it should be a fun film.

The trailer looks very polished when we compared it to the original trailer for Jurassic Park, we are excited and can't wait. 

it looks polished alright, in a shiny sort of way.  I don't think you can really compare it in terms of the sense of excitement, suspense and anticipation we got from the original trailers. 

[Meso-Cenozoic]

Are we this geeky?   LOL! (...sans the pronated hands used at the end by the glasses-wearing guy.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sGEZXgCxus

[Foxilized]

So if a new explosion if toys is gonna happen, they won't be depicting the current, new vanguardist ideas. They will be depicting THE SAME ones as the toylines from 20 years back.

I don't think so, not from the companies we collect. I don't think Doug will ditch his accurate modern sculpts for outdated '90's dinosaurs.

And yes, there were dinosaur toys before JP but they really don't compare. Invicta was producing the only dinosaurs at a set scale pre-JP ASAIK until Carnegie came along in the late 80's and Battat in the early '90's. Before that, toy dinosaurs were around but they were by the likes of Marx and AAA. Hardly a worthy comparison to CollectA, Safari, Kaiyodo, Favorite...the list goes on.

But I'm not trying to join in this argument, just my opinion on that particular point. Welcome back to the site! You've really come back with a *bang*!

Thanks from my heart, Gwangi! 

That the modern dinosaur toylines cannot compare to the Pre-JP ones, that is a fact. Absolutely. But the reason was (and hey, this is also only my opinion and it's totally open to any answer) not because the dinosaurs weren't already popular before "JP" (check out the number of movies, cartoons, comics and books depicting them only on the 60s, 70s and 80s) but because "Jurassic Park" started and inoculated a new vision on dinosaurs back in 1993. Meanwhile before JP what mattered was the dinosaurs as cool monsters, after JP what mattered was Paleontology!
So the toylines we have today, the most succesful ones at least, are the ones which managed to achieve what "Jurassic Park" achieved: a sense of awe and wonder for the realism achieved, a sense of being watching an almost alive, almost as we really went back in time. And for that "feeling of being watching an alive creature" for us dinogeeks it hugely helps that the designs fit with the current scientific theories. The less connected with current theories a design is, the less a true possible animal feels, and more a fantastic creature instead (which is cool too, and can be very convincing, but it's a WAY different feel and genre).

The "JW" movie instead of betting on paleontology, bets on nostalgia. Therefore, fantasy. So the mainstream will be fed with nostalgic fantasy, and not with any renovated interest on current paleontology which is something they will keep ignoring. Of course as you say, and you are totally right, the modern toylines will keep living on us... But we are the 1993 generation, not the current generation. The current generation needed a "JP" movie where the Re-Reinassance we are living is presented to the mainstream and acelerates the process of aceptation of the current knowledge into the collective culture. That is not happening, hence my rant.

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I feel like I already made all my points on this theme, didn't I. So I'll shut up now.

[TJ_Terrorsaur]

The mosasaur looked incredible and I loved seeing her inner teeth (I can't remember what they're called).

I think it's called the pterygoid.

Yup that's exactly what they're called. Just Googled it. Though I wonder how loud this film is going to be in an IMAX theater. I just watched Interstellar in one and felt like my bones were rattling.

[Doug Watson]

Waving your age won't make you be right, sir.
But you know that already for sure, I guess.

The point I was trying to make in mentioning my age was in reference to this line from your first post "this movie is not made for geeks. It's made for silly people." You seemed to be claiming you were a geek and therefore in the know and anyone who liked the movie wasn't. I was just pointing out that I have been into dinosaurs since a very early age and resent your assumption.

I will agree with one thing you have said, this debate is not worth continuing.

[Arul]

Easy guys...dr.admin wacthing

[Foxilized]

Easy guys...dr.admin wacthing

No need to be scared, friend.

There was no personal insult at any time from any one of us. We only attacked each other's positions: it's called "discussion". It wasn't a very good one, sadly... but it was only that. Forums were created and designed for discussion and debating. Yes... in theory.

[stargatedalek]

I agree that its unfortunate how pop culture as a whole is clinging so strongly to the "awesomebro" image of dinosaurs, but I disagree that Jurassic World will add any further trends towards this image

[CityRaptor]

Expect for maybe some scenes to be added as new stock images, like the King Kong example I mentioned.  But if they had feathered Dinosaurs, it would have an influence.

[DinoToyForum]

Easy guys...dr.admin wacthing

No need to be scared, friend.

There was no personal insult at any time from any one of us. We only attacked each other's positions: it's called "discussion". It wasn't a very good one, sadly... but it was only that. Forums were created and designed for discussion and debating. Yes... in theory.

Actually, you are being a bit rude in how you phrase things.  ARUL picked up on it, I did, and I'm sure others did too. Please follow forum etiquette, thanks!