Jurassic Park 4 [Jurassic World] (no spoilers)

[CityRaptor]

Because "feathers are totally lame" or because that guy is a creationist?

So far for JPIV being the blockbuster to get it into people's brains that Birds are not the only Dinosaurs with feathers.

The ones in King Kong were specifically designed to look retro, but JP was generally more or less up to date...

[Patrx]

As a fairly vocal fan of feathery dinosaurs, I nevertheless have to say I think this is the right call. An update to the dinosaurs' designs would be tough to explain, continuity-wise. JP4 may consequently be a step backward with regard to updating the pop-culture image of dromaeosaurs, but ultimately, a movie needs cohesive storytelling.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

To my thought it seems they left a plot window so they can really do it however they like....Hammond did not recreate dinosaurs, he built genetic theme park monsters. What that means is they can always use that as a method of tweaking the designs.....ah we found a method of further refining the DNA we recover so that the dinosaurs are more accurate and voila feathers....or by using a combination of frog AND bird DNA we can now fill in the missing blanks more accurately, albeit some of the more birdlike traits tend to exert themselves in some species. ...yada yada yada. That single line lets them really shuffle it however they want to.

[Takama]

again, as long as no one takes the film seriously, i will be cool about the no feathers thing.

If every other piece of Pop cualture continues to follow the films steps i will Puke *yuck*

[tyrantqueen]

Because "feathers are totally lame" or because that guy is a creationist?

So far for JPIV being the blockbuster to get it into people's brains that Birds are not the only Dinosaurs with feathers.

The ones in King Kong were specifically designed to look retro, but JP was generally more or less up to date...

What do his alleged creationist beliefs have to do with the film? How do you know they're going to influence the film in any way? How do you know this guy is even a creationist?

[Patrx]

Hmm. You've got a good point there, Mr. Cazaui. Depending on what the plot of this movie actually is, feathers and other updates could be included. As has been pointed out, we really do need a big, blockbuster movie or some similar pop-culture event to relegate the image of featherless raptors to the realm of fantasy and misconception. One could even argue that, as the original idea for Jurassic Park was to show dinosaurs as up-to-date as possible, it'd be more true to the franchise itself to update the designs.

[CityRaptor]

They could threat it as some condition where every new Generation of JP Dinosaurs becomes more like the real deal.

@Tyrantqueen: I don't know if he is one, hence the questionmark. If he was a Creationist, the very existence of feathered, non-avian Dinosaurs would threaten his views.

[tyrantqueen]

They could threat it as some condition where every new Generation of JP Dinosaurs becomes more like the real deal.

@Tyrantqueen: I don't know if he is one, hence the questionmark. If he was a Creationist, the very existence of feathered, non-avian Dinosaurs would threaten his views.

So you assume that because he might be a creationist, he must try to shovel his views down movie goers throats, because that is what all creationists (and to an extent, religious people) do? Riiight....

Like I said before, whether or not he is a creationist is irrelevant. This is a work of fiction, after all. Not all religious people (and by extension creationists) try to force their views on others.

I think if his alleged creationist beliefs were threatened by the film, he would not have chosen to direct it.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

oh dear, yet another religious debate and more drama. ....why do we have to do this here?

[tyrantqueen]

oh dear, yet another religious debate and more drama. ....why do we have to do this here?

Okay, let's end it here then. Sorry...

[CityRaptor]

Okay, sorry!

So was any reason given?

[Brontozaurus]

I suppose continuity with previous films might have been one reason, though JPIII threw all of that out the window with its raptors (and its everything, really). Also, feathers are hard to animate. I'm pretty sure creationism had nothing to do with it.

But still, this is a huge missed opportunity. The original film hurled the dinosaur renaissance into popular culture. Why shouldn't a new film do the same with the feather revolution?

[ChrisLikesDinos]

Most Jurassic Park fans hate feathers and throw a fit when they are mentioned. I have a feeling that is why they decided to write them off entirely.

I would have liked to see a healthy blend of feathered and featherless dinosaurs, just like the first JP was a blend of science and science fiction. I didn't want to see the Tyrannosaurus feathered, and I could even handle their raptors being bald.. but I at least wanted to see a feathered Dromaeosaur.

Imagine if Microraptors took the role of the Compy.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I'm a little disappointed I suppose..maybe Universal didn't want to update their ride and such that much..lol

Or maybe this is a key element to the plot..and it when it takes place. Like right after the first or second film ? Using the Nublar variety of Raptor instead of the third film Sorna ones.

Really if you follow the first novel they were constantly refining the animals with new versions like software.  If a company like maybe Biosyn created more dinos for a park of their own they might make feathered versions to be up to date.

[tyrantqueen]

I suppose continuity with previous films might have been one reason, though JPIII threw all of that out the window with its raptors (and its everything, really). Also, feathers are hard to animate. I'm pretty sure creationism had nothing to do with it.

But still, this is a huge missed opportunity. The original film hurled the dinosaur renaissance into popular culture. Why shouldn't a new film do the same with the feather revolution?

Maybe Jurassic Park's relevance is at an end. Michael Crichton is dead, so is Stan Winston and many other people who played a part in the original film. After all, it was only the original film that made such an impact...the others not so much.

We'll see I guess....

[Paleo & Fish Collector]

The first movie was good.But it doesn't beat James Bond or the Avengers for that matter.They horribly slaughtered the second movie,and the third is like women's make up covering up the mistakes.Other than that,JP4 might not be so bad.The third wasn't very good either but it was better than the 2nd.I think they'll just cause I think a mass genocide on JP if they make a new movie.They just need to leave it alone to me.Maybe come up with new dinosaur movies.And man the BBC needs to continue on with its amazing documentaries!

[Takama]

Jurrasic Park the game gives explanations to the inacuracies to the Dinosaurs in Jurrasic Park, so mybe he took them into consideration.

[ChrisLikesDinos]

Ok, so I decided to write down and collect my thoughts on the whole feathers in Jurassic Park 4 thing and it wound up larger than I was expecting.. I decided to make it a blog post:

http://jurassichappenings.blogspot.com/2013/03/my-thoughts-on-jurassic-park-4-and-its.html

If you wish, give it a read and feel free to comment or critique. I just kinda threw it together in a rush, so don't expect much. I know many on here could write much more cohesive and in depth articles, but even so I feel compelled to share.

[DinoToyForum]

Ok, so I decided to write down and collect my thoughts on the whole feathers in Jurassic Park 4 thing and it wound up larger than I was expecting.. I decided to make it a blog post:

http://jurassichappenings.blogspot.com/2013/03/my-thoughts-on-jurassic-park-4-and-its.html

If you wish, give it a read and feel free to comment or critique. I just kinda threw it together in a rush, so don't expect much. I know many on here could write much more cohesive and in depth articles, but even so I feel compelled to share.

I enjoyed your blog post, thanks for sharing. If a 'no feathers' flag has really been driven into the ground (I'm not sure how official it is), then it is especially backwards considering one of the themes of the first film was the concept that birds evolved from dinosaurs. This is raised explicitly in several scenes in the movie, and is underlined in the closing scene when Dr Grant gazes wistfully at that flock of pelicans. I know it has been said before, but from this perspective there are feathered dinosaurs in the first film

[ChrisLikesDinos]

If you want feathers, follow, share and tweet your support to @TeamFeathersJP4! While it may not be much yet, it is gaining support and attention:



While I know it is too late to see the entire design philosophy change as most are probably already finished, it is not too late to have a small CGI feathered Dinosaur cameo, not unlike the small appearance of the Compys in JP3. Personally, I feel it is incredibly important that at least one feathered Dinosaur makes an appearance, no matter how small of a role it gets.. it would do wonders for the public perception of Dinosaurs and really help the growth of recent Paleontological studies. Public awareness of feathers increases the interest in Dinosaur which in turn helps bring money to museums and Paleontologists.

Ok, so I decided to write down and collect my thoughts on the whole feathers in Jurassic Park 4 thing and it wound up larger than I was expecting.. I decided to make it a blog post:

http://jurassichappenings.blogspot.com/2013/03/my-thoughts-on-jurassic-park-4-and-its.html

If you wish, give it a read and feel free to comment or critique. I just kinda threw it together in a rush, so don't expect much. I know many on here could write much more cohesive and in depth articles, but even so I feel compelled to share.

I enjoyed your blog post, thanks for sharing. If a 'no feathers' flag has really been driven into the ground (I'm not sure how official it is), then it is especially backwards considering one of the themes of the first film was the concept that birds evolved from dinosaurs. This is raised explicitly in several scenes in the movie, and is underlined in the closing scene when Dr Grant gazes wistfully at that flock of pelicans. I know it has been said before, but from this perspective there are feathered dinosaurs in the first film

Thanks for the feedback! I do wish I would have mentioned a few more topics, but since it was originally a forum post that grew a little too big I'm happy. I fully agree that the first Jurassic Park was pushing the ties between birds and dinosaurs, so why JP4 would ignore it is beyond me.