Jurassic Park 4 [Jurassic World] (no spoilers)

[SBell]

What will be a possible new addition for the third sequel? Hmm...
The second movie had a brief shot of some Pteranodons in it's closing moments.The following movie featured them prominently,including an extended action sequence in what would turn out to be an aviary that had been built to house them. At another point in the same movie,there is a very brief appearance by a Ceratosaurus. If there is a pattern to it,then I would guess that Ceratosaurus would be that "new nightmare",getting an extended sequence of it's own somewhere during the course of the next one. No one said it had to be a giant that takes out a T.rex at some point,just something big and mean enough to do a Jurassic Park style chase scene.

They've covered land and air based dinosaurs/prehistoric reptiles. I think it's about time that they cover marine reptiles. I would personally love to see a grand appearance made by Elasmosaurus and/or Kronosaurus replete with token fleet battles and hail storms.

Ceratosaurus would be a welcome addition to JP4, but he seemed a bit tame in the last movie.

No matter what they do,they will have a hard time coming up with a new reason why ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would go near those islands in order to be chased around....

Well, Jaws worked, didn't it?

Perhaps the marine reptile could be Pliosaurus Funkei...

I can picture a sort of aquarium where they could show something enormous and obviously carnivorous swimming by right after the main characters leave,only for one of the unfortunate cannon fodder to eventually find out the hard way that it contains a Tylosaurus/Kronosaurus/anything in the 30 to 40 foot range after he somehow ends up in the water...

Is there some sort of explanation for how DNA was obtained for pelagic marine creatures? Given that mosquitoes don't tend to do well in open seas and all.

[Takama]

Apparently, Hammond used more then just mosquito's. he used ground up bones to use that organic tissue that's said to be found in them

[John]

What will be a possible new addition for the third sequel? Hmm...
The second movie had a brief shot of some Pteranodons in it's closing moments.The following movie featured them prominently,including an extended action sequence in what would turn out to be an aviary that had been built to house them. At another point in the same movie,there is a very brief appearance by a Ceratosaurus. If there is a pattern to it,then I would guess that Ceratosaurus would be that "new nightmare",getting an extended sequence of it's own somewhere during the course of the next one. No one said it had to be a giant that takes out a T.rex at some point,just something big and mean enough to do a Jurassic Park style chase scene.

They've covered land and air based dinosaurs/prehistoric reptiles. I think it's about time that they cover marine reptiles. I would personally love to see a grand appearance made by Elasmosaurus and/or Kronosaurus replete with token fleet battles and hail storms.

Ceratosaurus would be a welcome addition to JP4, but he seemed a bit tame in the last movie.

No matter what they do,they will have a hard time coming up with a new reason why ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would go near those islands in order to be chased around....

Well, Jaws worked, didn't it?

Perhaps the marine reptile could be Pliosaurus Funkei...

I can picture a sort of aquarium where they could show something enormous and obviously carnivorous swimming by right after the main characters leave,only for one of the unfortunate cannon fodder to eventually find out the hard way that it contains a Tylosaurus/Kronosaurus/anything in the 30 to 40 foot range after he somehow ends up in the water...

Is there some sort of explanation for how DNA was obtained for pelagic marine creatures? Given that mosquitoes don't tend to do well in open seas and all.

Just think of the advice given to Austin Powers:"It's best not to think too much about these things, just sit back and enjoy the ride..."

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Apparently, Hammond used more then just mosquito's. he used ground up bones to use that organic tissue that's said to be found in them

That was the 2nd source mentioned in the novel, though it was said not to be as reliable. So I suppose marine creatures could be possible that way.

[SBell]

Apparently, Hammond used more then just mosquito's. he used ground up bones to use that organic tissue that's said to be found in them

That was the 2nd source mentioned in the novel, though it was said not to be as reliable. So I suppose marine creatures could be possible that way.

Quite honestly, we might as well just say "SCIENCE!" because as egregiously silly as the mosquito thing is (after some thought), the ground up FOSSILS (AKA former bones that have mostly been replaced by minerals that aren't biological) would be even more unlikely. Of course, most of this doesn't matter if the story is good (original JP) but becomes something more to think about over time or through poorly thought out sequels.

I think the 4th movie should feature giant, Mesozoic-sized mosquitoes that were the result of growing whatever DNA they found--and then discovering that most of it belonged to the blood-sucking insects, not their prey!

[tyrantqueen]

Anyone read this? http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-working-hollywood-jurassic-park-20130331,0,2083896.story

Apparently the dinos are going to be more colourful than previous installments. I don't expect anything in the vein of Dinosaur Revolution though, personally.

Scrap everything: Horner views T. rex as a scavenger that would occasionally take down an old or sick animal. "That was another one of those conversations [with Steven] that didn't last very long," he said. "But let me tell you: An 8,000-pound scavenger like a hyena would be the scariest thing on Earth. To be a scavenger, you have to be able to scare other animals away. You have to be smelly and scary and nasty. You don't want to fight them for anything to eat." Horner doesn't believe that the real T. rex was a fast runner, either, but points out that "a slow T. rex isn't going to be a very good star in a movie."

Can't believe the guy is still spouting this nonsense in 2013 :/

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Apparently, Hammond used more then just mosquito's. he used ground up bones to use that organic tissue that's said to be found in them

That was the 2nd source mentioned in the novel, though it was said not to be as reliable. So I suppose marine creatures could be possible that way.

Quite honestly, we might as well just say "SCIENCE!" because as egregiously silly as the mosquito thing is (after some thought), the ground up FOSSILS (AKA former bones that have mostly been replaced by minerals that aren't biological) would be even more unlikely. Of course, most of this doesn't matter if the story is good (original JP) but becomes something more to think about over time or through poorly thought out sequels.

I think the 4th movie should feature giant, Mesozoic-sized mosquitoes that were the result of growing whatever DNA they found--and then discovering that most of it belonged to the blood-sucking insects, not their prey!

You have to take into account when the novel was written. Recall the finding of fleshy tissue in a T-Rex bone ? heh Some people still go right to that when discussing JP.

I can't see why it's so hard to just say T-Rex was both like many other predators.

[Brontozaurus]

What will be a possible new addition for the third sequel? Hmm...
The second movie had a brief shot of some Pteranodons in it's closing moments.The following movie featured them prominently,including an extended action sequence in what would turn out to be an aviary that had been built to house them. At another point in the same movie,there is a very brief appearance by a Ceratosaurus. If there is a pattern to it,then I would guess that Ceratosaurus would be that "new nightmare",getting an extended sequence of it's own somewhere during the course of the next one. No one said it had to be a giant that takes out a T.rex at some point,just something big and mean enough to do a Jurassic Park style chase scene.

They've covered land and air based dinosaurs/prehistoric reptiles. I think it's about time that they cover marine reptiles. I would personally love to see a grand appearance made by Elasmosaurus and/or Kronosaurus replete with token fleet battles and hail storms.

Ceratosaurus would be a welcome addition to JP4, but he seemed a bit tame in the last movie.

No matter what they do,they will have a hard time coming up with a new reason why ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would go near those islands in order to be chased around....

What if the islands come to them?

JURASSIC PARK IV: CONTINENTAL DRIFT

[CityRaptor]

Don't be silly! Obviously the Islands have the ability to fly! The pilots are also Dinosaurs.
Baron von Schönkiefer: Gentlemen, start ze engines!

Fun aside, when Horner said the new Antagonist has not been seen on screen so far, did he mean "not in the Jurassic Park series", or generally not on screen?

[amargasaurus cazaui]

The core of the entire Tyrannosaurus debate lies between Horner and Bakker. It runs so deep between them, that in the second installment the scientist that so closely resembles Bob Bakker is actually eaten by the Tyrannosaurus . This prompted Bakker to notify Horner, after viewing the second movie....He said " See they do hunt !!!"
   I had understood that the concept for the coming installment might be a group trying to build another park on the mainland , that captures and secures many of the animals, similar to the second movie. Either that or it could be some top secret compound where government X is experimenting with creating the obvious biological weapons, by following in Hammond's footsteps.

[Primeval12]

What will be a possible new addition for the third sequel? Hmm...
The second movie had a brief shot of some Pteranodons in it's closing moments.The following movie featured them prominently,including an extended action sequence in what would turn out to be an aviary that had been built to house them. At another point in the same movie,there is a very brief appearance by a Ceratosaurus. If there is a pattern to it,then I would guess that Ceratosaurus would be that "new nightmare",getting an extended sequence of it's own somewhere during the course of the next one. No one said it had to be a giant that takes out a T.rex at some point,just something big and mean enough to do a Jurassic Park style chase scene.

They've covered land and air based dinosaurs/prehistoric reptiles. I think it's about time that they cover marine reptiles. I would personally love to see a grand appearance made by Elasmosaurus and/or Kronosaurus replete with token fleet battles and hail storms.

Ceratosaurus would be a welcome addition to JP4, but he seemed a bit tame in the last movie.

No matter what they do,they will have a hard time coming up with a new reason why ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would go near those islands in order to be chased around....

Well, Jaws worked, didn't it?

Perhaps the marine reptile could be Pliosaurus Funkei...

I can picture a sort of aquarium where they could show something enormous and obviously carnivorous swimming by right after the main characters leave,only for one of the unfortunate cannon fodder to eventually find out the hard way that it contains a Tylosaurus/Kronosaurus/anything in the 30 to 40 foot range after he somehow ends up in the water...

Is there some sort of explanation for how DNA was obtained for pelagic marine creatures? Given that mosquitoes don't tend to do well in open seas and all.

Just think of the advice given to Austin Powers:"It's best not to think too much about these things, just sit back and enjoy the ride..."

OK here's a scenario. A marine reptile washes up onto a beach alive and as it dies a mosqueto flies down and bites it. That mosqueto than is trapped in sap and becomes amber. That is how prehistoric marine reptile DNA can be found.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

That argument works as well as the one used to create the other dinosaurs for the original Jurassic park but also suffers from the same technical issues...ie, the deterioration of the blood within the digestive system of the mosquito, mixing the genetic material of the animal and the mosquito, and the concept the blood would not continue to break down trapped within the mosquito while stored inside the amber.
Still if they could use it as a method for the first movie why not.......

[Primeval12]

That argument works as well as the one used to create the other dinosaurs for the original Jurassic park but also suffers from the same technical issues...ie, the deterioration of the blood within the digestive system of the mosquito, mixing the genetic material of the animal and the mosquito, and the concept the blood would not continue to break down trapped within the mosquito while stored inside the amber.
Still if they could use it as a method for the first movie why not.......

Yes, I know it stinks that we can't use the Jurassic Park method to resurrect dinos in real life. (Than again, we wouldn't want a fuzzy T. Rex rampaging through the city!)

[amargasaurus cazaui]

I am not sure that makes a vast difference. Even if you could somehow create a dinosaur its highly doubtful it could live in our modern atmosphere. The oyxgen content for one fact is much lower, as well as containing traces of acidics, and other poisons not common in the mesozoic. Aside from that, there are new and more destructive parasites, pathogens and baterial factors. Diseases would be a high priority issue.
  This says nothing of the realities of missing entire chunks of their environment, plants, animals, and even insects that would be required to maintain their lives as it was.

[Joel]

I had understood that the concept for the coming installment might be a group trying to build another park on the mainland , that captures and secures many of the animals, similar to the second movie.

I think that was the plot that I came up with: http://www.dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php/topic,540.0.html Mine's post number nine.

[tanystropheus]

Another scenario:

Marine reptiles never really succumbed to extinction due to the KT event, rather, they were sheltered away from natural catastrophes by means of underwater caves and tunnels. Certain aquatic zones and habitats remained virtually unchanged for millions of years. John Hammond is now an avid cryptozoologist .

[CityRaptor]

I am not sure that makes a vast difference. Even if you could somehow create a dinosaur its highly doubtful it could live in our modern atmosphere. The oyxgen content for one fact is much lower, as well as containing traces of acidics, and other poisons not common in the mesozoic. Aside from that, there are new and more destructive parasites, pathogens and baterial factors. Diseases would be a high priority issue.
  This says nothing of the realities of missing entire chunks of their environment, plants, animals, and even insects that would be required to maintain their lives as it was.

Actually atleast the Oxygen should not be a problem. I don't remember all the details, but Professor Martin Sander ( a German expert on Sauropods ) mentioned on his course about Sauropod Gigantism that the Oxygen during the Mesozoic had varying levels, including those lower then today. Those lower levels however had no ill effects on the Dinosaurs.
Also, wasn't the atmosphere poisoned during the last few million years of the Cretaceous?

As for diseases: Aside from modern ones affecting Dinosaurs, there is also the chance of prehistoric diseases, which could be just as deadly for modern day animals.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

I am not sure that makes a vast difference. Even if you could somehow create a dinosaur its highly doubtful it could live in our modern atmosphere. The oyxgen content for one fact is much lower, as well as containing traces of acidics, and other poisons not common in the mesozoic. Aside from that, there are new and more destructive parasites, pathogens and baterial factors. Diseases would be a high priority issue.
  This says nothing of the realities of missing entire chunks of their environment, plants, animals, and even insects that would be required to maintain their lives as it was.

Actually atleast the Oxygen should not be a problem. I don't remember all the details, but Professor Martin Sander ( a German expert on Sauropods ) mentioned on his course about Sauropod Gigantism that the Oxygen during the Mesozoic had varying levels, including those lower then today. Those lower levels however had no ill effects on the Dinosaurs.
Also, wasn't the atmosphere poisoned during the last few million years of the Cretaceous?

As for diseases: Aside from modern ones affecting Dinosaurs, there is also the chance of prehistoric diseases, which could be just as deadly for modern day animals.

Actually the point about oxygen makes itself...the dinosaurs became extinct. The fine print in the argument is using oyxgen bubbles trapped within amber, one can measure the level of oxygen present in the environment at a given point. Mid Jurassic the levels were as high as 35 percent, by late Cretaceous 25 percent, and by todays measure less than 21 percent.If you overlay that trend with a map of extinctions of the larger fauna, there is a direct correspondence, as the oxygen level lowers, the fauna present downsize. Or the shorthand for the point is at the golden point of dinosaurs sizewise north of the equator, the oxygen level was almost fifteen percent higher than it is today.
  The arguments given about sauropods miss a rather singular point. By the end of the Jurassic the large sauropods had become extinct from the northern hemisphere, but only from the Northern hemisphere. They continued to thrive further south, which is precisely what one would expect. If you were to highlight the areas of the globe with the highest oxygen content, they would correspond to the last areas where sauropods were flourishing. Given that due to volcanics, meteor impacts and various other natural occurrences there were spikes and valleys of oxygen level throughout the mesozoic.
As to poisoning of the atmosphere it would depend how you define poisons. There were massive volcanic events throughout the mesozoic, and also meteor impacts releasing various toxins and gases into the atmosphere. It becomes a matter of how you want your toxins...todays factories, industrial complex, and civilization release many ingredients into the atmosphere that most dinosaurs never encountered nor had to work with. Acid rain, mercury in the water....radiation...the list of man made hocus pocus is a lengthy one , seldom paralelled by nature. It is highly doubtful that dinosaus exposed to the toxic soup we have made of our atmosphere would have resistance to or  the ability to survive such.
The concepts of disease are even more compelling. Just as we might cause mass die offs due to our own modern bacterias and illnesses, the dinosaurs could also infect us with various things we had never known existed. If you ever wish to read about the effects of introducing virus or disease into populations that have no natural resistance to it, read the stories of the Spaniards exploration of Africa, or South America and the millions that died at their hands due to this cause.
 

[Simon]

Forgive me, Amarga, but the argument that Oxygen levels vary in the atmosphere depending on the location on the globe you're at doesn't seem plausible to me. 

The earth has one dynamic atmosphere, with constantly active weather patterns.  Therefore the levels of Oxygen cannot be different in the Southern Hemisphere than in the North, it seems to me. 

Dinosaurs found a way to thrive on a constantly changing planet ... it took an extra-terrestrial "event" to end that reign...


(why do I get a lingering feeling that I've been down this road before, and that I'll regret opening up this can of worms... )

[Gwangi]

Forgive me, Amarga, but the argument that Oxygen levels vary in the atmosphere depending on the location on the globe you're at doesn't seem plausible to me. 

The earth has one dynamic atmosphere, with constantly active weather patterns.  Therefore the levels of Oxygen cannot be different in the Southern Hemisphere than in the North, it seems to me. 

Dinosaurs found a way to thrive on a constantly changing planet ... it took an extra-terrestrial "event" to end that reign...


(why do I get a lingering feeling that I've been down this road before, and that I'll regret opening up this can of worms... )

We've done this one before. The last argument over this still brings up bad memories, I'm gonna stay out this time.

One factor I seldom see mentioned is gut bacteria. Animals like elephants need  bacteria in their digestive tracts in order to eat plant material. I'm sure dinosaurs would need their own special bacteria too which we would be unable to clone.