Jurassic Park 4 [Jurassic World] (no spoilers)

[Gwangi]

I just read the entire interview and I'm more optimistic now. I get what he's trying to do. He acknowledges that these big blockbuster movies are bloated eye-candy for the disinterested masses and from the sounds of it this park will function similarly but with horrible consequences.  In a world where people have seen everything this park which should be able to function on dinosaurs alone must do something new and exciting to keep the masses interested.

Sounds like this new park, much like current movies will have to struggle hard to keep people interested. Lets face it, realistic dinosaurs were a big deal in 1993 but most people don't care anymore. They've seen it, 3 times in this franchise alone. They've also seen Superman level a city and countless alien invasions and cars transform into robots. We've seen it all and although dinosaurs are still exciting to us dinosaur buffs, not so much for the general population. This film will reflect that same situation, only it will backfire when things go wrong. I can totally envision a world where teenagers are texting with a captive Tyrannosaur at their backs. It's depressing that dinosaurs could fail to induce awe in a world where they exist but an interesting angle to play on.

Could the movie still go south? Possibly. Supposedly this director is a talented guy, I have not seen his other movie yet so I cannot judge. Sounds like he has enough sense not to ruin this franchise and his career with it.

[Yutyrannus]

Well, though it doesn't seem quite as promising as it once did, Jurassic World can't possibly end up a bigger disappointment then Godzilla. In any case, I respect the way Trevorrow is handling the apparent backlash.

Really? I think there's no way it couldn't end up as a bigger disappointment.

I've decided that I'm definitely not going to waste my time watching this movie, to me it is as big of a disappointment as WWD 3D. It's just a complete and utter waste of money.

[brandem]

Wait! The new dinosaur is spliced with a cuddle fish to enable it to camouflage itself perfectly, so they are trying to draw a larger crowd with an animal they won't be able to see? It's the flea circus all over again, Damn you Hammond!

[Gwangi]

I've decided that I'm definitely not going to waste my time watching this movie, to me it is as big of a disappointment as WWD 3D. It's just a complete and utter waste of money.

I really don't think there is enough information out to make a knee-jerk reaction like that but whatever, I'm gonna go see regardless. If I could sit through TLW and JP3 than this one shouldn't be a problem. That said, I actually liked Godzilla.

Brandem, I don't know if you read TLW book but there were Carnotaurus with camouflage abilities. I'm sure that is the inspiration for this new theropod. I'm also sure it will come in handy for a lot of jump scares. Both for the fictional tourists and the actual movie patrons.

If all we end up with is a Tyrannosaurus with camo abilities and an unhinged jaw (like a snake) I think I can live with it. No worse than what they did to Dilophosaurus. I still have my reservations and still would have preferred another real-life theropod. That said, at least in the interview he said there would be one gene-spliced dinosaur.

[tyrantqueen]

Wait! The new dinosaur is spliced with a cuddle fish to enable it to camouflage itself perfectly, so they are trying to draw a larger crowd with an animal they won't be able to see? It's the flea circus all over again, Damn you Hammond!

Awww, a cuddle fish...is that a fish that likes to hug? I think you mean cuttle fish

[brandem]

Wait! The new dinosaur is spliced with a cuddle fish to enable it to camouflage itself perfectly, so they are trying to draw a larger crowd with an animal they won't be able to see? It's the flea circus all over again, Damn you Hammond!

Awww, a cuddle fish...is that a fish that likes to hug? I think you mean cuttle fish

I think we all know the pain and suffering caused by a tablet's auto correct,

And yes I'm aware that the carnotaurus could do the same thing, from the book and from the annoying level in the arcade game, but that was suggested to be an innate ability of the carnotaurus if I remember right?

[Gwangi]

but that was suggested to be an innate ability of the carnotaurus if I remember right?

I think so too, however unlikely such a trait would be.

[brandem]

I'm still hoping the thing will look a little like the carnotaurus it would sorta make sense with the name "Diablo" those horn on its head and all,

[Gwangi]

I'm still hoping the thing will look a little like the carnotaurus it would sorta make sense with the name "Diablo" those horn on its head and all,

Maybe it is Carnotaurus. I know they call it Diabolis rex but that does not mean it is a Tyrannosaurus rex. It's just the name they gave it. Did anyone confirm it is going to be Tyrannosaurus?

[HD-man]

Well, though it doesn't seem quite as promising as it once did, Jurassic World can't possibly end up a bigger disappointment then Godzilla. In any case, I respect the way Trevorrow is handling the apparent backlash.

I haven't yet seen the new Godzilla movie, but from what I've read ( http://chasmosaurs.blogspot.com/2014/05/up-from-depths.html ), it's anything but a disappointment.

[tyrantqueen]

I'm still hoping the thing will look a little like the carnotaurus it would sorta make sense with the name "Diablo" those horn on its head and all,

Maybe it is Carnotaurus. I know they call it Diabolis rex but that does not mean it is a Tyrannosaurus rex. It's just the name they gave it. Did anyone confirm it is going to be Tyrannosaurus?

It's very strongly hinted to be a T.rex:

The creature is a spliced breed of Tyrannosaur with bits of Raptor and Cuttle Fish, allowing it to camouflage itself with its surroundings. It's a badass and is the primary reason why things at this new park run amok.

It says a breed of Tyrannosaur..and I assume they would go with T.rex since it's popular and all, and the largest Tyrant dinosaur we know of.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I'm still hoping the thing will look a little like the carnotaurus it would sorta make sense with the name "Diablo" those horn on its head and all,

Maybe it is Carnotaurus. I know they call it Diabolis rex but that does not mean it is a Tyrannosaurus rex. It's just the name they gave it. Did anyone confirm it is going to be Tyrannosaurus?

It's very strongly hinted to be a T.rex:

The creature is a spliced breed of Tyrannosaur with bits of Raptor and Cuttle Fish, allowing it to camouflage itself with its surroundings. It's a badass and is the primary reason why things at this new park run amok.

It says a breed of Tyrannosaur..and I assume they would go with T.rex since it's popular and all, and the largest Tyrant dinosaur we know of.

Maybe they were trying to say theropod dinosaur.  It looks like it has long 3 clawed arms if that was it's pen in the production pics. It's also been said to resemble a dragon and a beefed up Masiakasaurus.

[tyrantqueen]

Maybe they were trying to say theropod dinosaur.  It looks like it has long 3 clawed arms if that was it's pen in the production pics. It's also been said to resemble a dragon and a beefed up Masiakasaurus.

Well, they did say that they included bits of raptor in its DNA. That might explain the claw marks.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Maybe they were trying to say theropod dinosaur.  It looks like it has long 3 clawed arms if that was it's pen in the production pics. It's also been said to resemble a dragon and a beefed up Masiakasaurus.

Well, they did say that they included bits of raptor in its DNA. That might explain the claw marks.

I have a feeling it might resemble a Giganotosaurus or some sort of allosaur given the two prehistoric animals it shares traits with.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Watching the debate back and forth I have not added much because I am not that fond of the entire Jurassic Park franchise and have never really liked it that much. Still I am puzzled at peoples reactions to this new hybrid dinosaur in the newest installment. To me at least none of the other movies have used particularly accurate or even realistic dinosaurs, so why would this one be different?
  To justify the comment, you turn to the first movie and the very first scene you are given with a dinosaur is a Brachiosaurus rearing. Of all the sauropods possible it would be the least likely to have done so, given its anatomy. Diplodocus has double chevrons on each tail vert, ideally suited for rearing, and in fact is name translates as "Double Beam", yet it was not used. While I will not list every single problem with the dinosaurs, the raptors being the wrong size, the stegosaurus family being nearly double the correct size, of course the feathering issues, pterosaurus lifting people and carrying them around. !Gwangi for instance mentioned the Dilophosaurus ....we have no proof for a neck frill or  spitting poison. Tyrannosaurs that could not see something unless it moved, or smell something standing almost on its nose.....At the time the movie was made it was en vogue to assume all dinosaurs were warm blooded so nearly every scene is constructed around reminding you of this. (Tyrannosaurus hunting at night, in the rain no less, Raptors hunting at night, Raptors breathing mist on windows, Brachiosaurus sneezing, etc) The dialogue of the movies even contains the sentiment that what Hammond created were not dinosaurs, but living theme park attractions.
   So in this new installment we get a mutant hybrid gene spliced dinosaur....it is not that altogether different than what has been given since the first movie. I am just not sure why anyone would find that so offputting, since it has been the basic principle for the movie all along.The dinosaurs have never been particulalry realistic or accurate to start with. I just do not see the difference there.

[Gwangi]

My interpretation of this quote from the director...

This animal is not a mutant freak. It doesn't have a snake's head or octopus tentacles. It's a dinosaur, created in the same way the others were

...leads me to believe this won't be a beefed up Masiakasaurus, dragon or Tyrannosaurus with raptor arms. I think it will look like whatever dinosaur they're going to model it off of with a few unique features like the camo ability. "Breed of T. rex" does not really tell me anything as I doubt the reporter is a dinosaur buff. Breed of T. rex might be his way of saying theropod dinosaur or species of carnivore. Really need more info on this but apparently the director didn't even want us to know this much.

[Gwangi]

Watching the debate back and forth I have not added much because I am not that fond of the entire Jurassic Park franchise and have never really liked it that much. Still I am puzzled at peoples reactions to this new hybrid dinosaur in the newest installment. To me at least none of the other movies have used particularly accurate or even realistic dinosaurs, so why would this one be different?
  To justify the comment, you turn to the first movie and the very first scene you are given with a dinosaur is a Brachiosaurus rearing. Of all the sauropods possible it would be the least likely to have done so, given its anatomy. Diplodocus has double chevrons on each tail vert, ideally suited for rearing, and in fact is name translates as "Double Beam", yet it was not used. While I will not list every single problem with the dinosaurs, the raptors being the wrong size, the stegosaurus family being nearly double the correct size, of course the feathering issues, pterosaurus lifting people and carrying them around. !Gwangi for instance mentioned the Dilophosaurus ....we have no proof for a neck frill or  spitting poison. Tyrannosaurs that could not see something unless it moved, or smell something standing almost on its nose.....At the time the movie was made it was en vogue to assume all dinosaurs were warm blooded so nearly every scene is constructed around reminding you of this. (Tyrannosaurus hunting at night, in the rain no less, Raptors hunting at night, Raptors breathing mist on windows, Brachiosaurus sneezing, etc) The dialogue of the movies even contains the sentiment that what Hammond created were not dinosaurs, but living theme park attractions.
   So in this new installment we get a mutant hybrid gene spliced dinosaur....it is not that altogether different than what has been given since the first movie. I am just not sure why anyone would find that so offputting, since it has been the basic principle for the movie all along.The dinosaurs have never been particulalry realistic or accurate to start with. I just do not see the difference there.

I think people are afraid we'll get something like this...


Some kind of "mutant freak" with no real dinosaur influencing its design. This is a bit different from the inaccuracies that plagued the first 3 films. The dinosaurs in those films were still dinosaurs, recognizable species at that. The Dilophosaurus is really out there but the Velociraptor was a naked Deinonychus (remember that Greg Paul was a source and lumped Deinonychus into Velociraptor). No problem with it being naked, we didn't really know it had feathers (though many scientists assumed). The warm-blooded hypothesis was simply reflecting the science of the time. Brachiosaurus rearing? Well now we're just being nit picky. And yes, they made Tyrannosaurus faster than they should have with poor eyesight but that is still a far cry away from what I think many fear this new theropod will be.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Ha that is funny and makes good sense> No I wouldnt pay to see that either, I see your logic there entirely.
I did wonder at one thing you said..the Brachiosaurus rearing? To me that was a huge epic fail, especially given the neck design and how the dinosaur is shaped specifically for high browsing without rearing. It of all sauropods is least well designed for this and I was shocked at the choice. Had they used Diplodocus with its tail that is entirely lined with small sleigh like chevrons I would have considered this a major visual score...but as it is, another badly flubbed scene. Take a quick glance at how the diplodocus is equipped for it versus brachiosaurus. It took me a long time to figure out the scene was meant as a backhand directed at Bob Bakker about rearing sauropods in his book, and the choice of Brachiosaurus , the least likely possible choice.
I dont consider it a nitpick, I found this particular thing particularly poorly chosen, of all the scenes. I dunno...thoughts?

[tyrantqueen]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they are using Tyrannosaurus in the logo design, right?



Unless it's a placeholder until a new one is made.

According to our source, there will be lots of Dino on Dino fighting, as some of the Dinos are "good guys" that are trained by Chris Pratt's character. The raptors and T-Rex are among the "trained" good dinosaurs. The big bad dinosaur has instant camouflage abilities, like the cuttlefish, so he blends into the background, is smart like the velociraptor, uses his jaw like a snake, and can terrorize like the T-Rex. Does this mean the new dino will be the ONLY "bad" one? Or will there be more than one? Unconfirmed, but it will be the catalyst that kicks off the peril.

The impression I got from this quote is that the "normal" Tyrannosaurus will be fighting off the gene spliced one. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope so, because it would be interesting to see a new theropod Time will tell.

I just realised something....weren't there rumours of a sea predator being included as the new villain? Cuttlefish do live in the water, and snakes are related to varanids/mosasaurs. Just an interesting coincidence, hah It's fun to speculate.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Yes that's the logo they are using..it's on the Ferry, park banners, map, ect.. so I'm sure we are getting a normal JP Rex.

There will be at least Mosasaurs..not sure about anything else..and I don't think it would be the new villain...might play a good part though.