Jurassic Park 4 [Jurassic World] (no spoilers)

[Yutyrannus]

I forgot to mention, if the film does turn out to be bad, at least we can all laugh at it and the fan wank that will follow (excuse my crude language )

True .

[Gwangi]

The way I see it; if they're not going to give them feathers, AT LEAST make them look like the raptors from the first film. Looks like that's what they're doing. I would still prefer to see some feathers though. I would not be surprised if they added some line about them being genetically engineered without feathers on purpose to make them look more reptilian. Clearly the director is a "Jurassic Park" fan and not so much a dinosaur fan. We'll see how that pans out.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I would assume there will be explanations as well. 

I think it looks pretty cool actually...it almost feels more like the description from the novel that I was expecting back in 93'.

[ITdactyl]

"There they are. With the eerie green glow of the preserving fluids.  The first batch of raptor embryos - and fully feathered to boot, like some unhatched barnyard fowl.  The discovery of the century. The scientists were excited. The boss, less so.  And I have to agree.  No one will pay premium to see a chicken. Even if that chicken can open you in a second and feast on your guts. They had to make changes. They've played God before.  They can do it again."

I smell comic book back story! lol
On a serious note:
A lot of transformers fans have complained about the (big)departure from the 80's style of the current movies.  I can imagine that a sudden addition of feathers might cause the same reaction (revulsion) from [some] JP ("dinosaurs should have scales to be scary") fans.

That "Raptor" head does look good though.  Whatever comes, I hope it'll be a good movie.

[CityRaptor]

Yeah, the JP Fans who aren't true Dinosaur enthusiasts might have issue with that. It's people like them why we still get scaly Raptors despite them having feathers. It's not a trend or stylistic change, like I've read various comments on art, but the result of scientific research and new discoveries.


It's also funny that you would mention the Transformers movies. Their Raptor Dinobot Slash has "feathers".


Yes they were mainly green in the novel. And the Topps Comics and some other sources.

As for their nudity, maybe explain it as a result of the cloning process and using foreign DNA. They atleast tried to explain some issues like that in the JP Game.

[Patrx]

Yeah, the JP Fans who aren't true Dinosaur enthusiasts might have issue with that. It's people like them why we still get scaly Raptors despite them having feathers. It's not a trend or stylistic change, like I've read various comments on art, but the result of scientific research and new discoveries.

This whole thing has been discussed at length for ages, but I feel compelled to step in here. There is most certainly a contingent of "true dinosaur enthusiasts" who support (perhaps with some hesitation) the decision to keep Jurassic World's raptors with their 90's design. Yes, the world needs some hugely popular form of media to popularize modern ideas on dinosaurs, dromaeosaurs included. Yes, it is sad to see that a franchise that, once upon a time, had some modicum of educational value become unable to maintain that value. However, because of the way media works, and the way people work, it would be entirely too risky for the franchise to seriously alter the design of its primary villains after twenty years. Jurassic Park's raptors are genuinely iconic at this point, like the Terminator, the Predator, or even Bugs Bunny. The movie is banking on nostalgia to pull money out of wallets, the same as every other insanely lucrative reboot. Jurassic Park, educational or not, gets people excited about dinosaurs, and there's plenty of great info and paleoart out there to learn from once the audience gets home from the theater.

In any case, I'm glad they're not going halfway with it, as was done with JP3's raptors or Gabutyra up there. I know it's sentai and all, but it looks like someone just stuck a lazy fur simulator on a sixty-dollar TurboSquid model and then forgot to render any shading. I actually rather liked that movie, though

[ITdactyl]

movies... very polarizing...

@CityRaptor
1. if they were purely scientific, movies like Jaws mighy be less entertaining (if not less engaging) would movies like Jaws exist?
2. (if just to state my preference) fully feathered or bust... #notohalfplucked
3. too bad he wasn't in the movie. I like the feathered legs but he isn't very original... looks  too much like a zoid bio-raptor (which were also given spikes to emulate feathers). and solid 80's fans don't like him because he's not part of the original 5 dinobots (with one non-dinosaur member)
4. agreed, hence the "fan-fiction" on my previous post.

sorry admin, I might be steering this off topic.  Back to the topic,  I'm dreading the muta-saur villain, if that is even true. I just wish it'd be a good movie - regardless of scientific accuracy.

[tyrantqueen]

When it comes to feathering dinosaurs, I would prefer that they go full "bird" mode, or not at all. I hate half attempted efforts at feathering dinos, like when they give the animal some feathers on the back of the head or along the arms, but nothing much else.

But the feathering thing isn't the only thing that people should be complaining about. What about the Utahraptor sized Velociraptors? Or the broken wrists that are present on every single theropod? The elephant feet on the Triceratops? I could go on. Why do people complain about the feathers the most, but not the other problems?

[stargatedalek]

I get that JP is not accurate, but TBH thats how I like it
it doesn't pretend to be accurate, so I don't mind that it isn't
(which is why the JP3 raptors feel like a slap in the face)

[Gwangi]

When it comes to feathering dinosaurs, I would prefer that they go full "bird" mode, or not at all. I hate half attempted efforts at feathering dinos, like when they give the animal some feathers on the back of the head or along the arms, but nothing much else.

But the feathering thing isn't the only thing that people should be complaining about. What about the Utahraptor sized Velociraptors? Or the broken wrists that are present on every single theropod? The elephant feet on the Triceratops? I could go on. Why do people complain about the feathers the most, but not the other problems?

The hands and feet issues seem a bit more nit picky. The discovery that many dinosaurs were feathered changes everything about how we thought they looked. What were once overgrown lizards were now overgrown birds and that's a pretty big deal. In a perfect world I would like to see all reconstructed dinosaurs as accurate a possible and certainly it wouldn't hurt the JP team to simply rotate the wrists right? But it honestly does not seem like as big a deal as basically plucking a bird. And I think most of us dino-geeks want feathered dinosaurs so badly because, it really is cool. There is a reason feathered dinosaurs still make headlines and rotated wrists don't. I want to see feathered dinosaurs on the big screen because then all the "common folk" will finally see for themselves the connection that we've been telling them about. Maybe it will lead to an increased interest in dinosaurs, evolution, extant birds and ultimately nature in general.  People like dinosaurs, what better way to get them interested in the outside world than by telling them dinosaurs are still out there? But you can't just tell them, you have to show them. We've known about it for decades and most people still just don't get it, or see the connection. A big budget movie could change that. And the Jurassic franchise which did so much to promote modern dinosaurs (at the time) and promote the dinosaur-bird connection would be the perfect vehicle for that movement. All the effort made by the first film to make "modern" dinosaurs and the new film will be re-creating outdated 20 year old depictions. It really seems a shame. Might as well "genetically engineer" them to drag their tails too.

All that said, I understand "Jurassic Worlds" hesitation for all the reasons Patrx stated so I cannot hate on it too much. I still see no reason why they couldn't keep their "raptors" naked and introduce a different feathered dinosaur.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Whose to say we won't get some feathered dino at all ? Until we see the film it's hard to say what they are thinking.

Half feathered dinosaurs make sense to me..if they are spines or proto-feathers. Something between dino and bird might not have as many as we think.  To my knowledge there is still no direct evidence of feathers on many species we attribute them to now.

Real Velociraptors it seems more plausible to me which is why I used them on our re-creations. The " Raptors" in the film aren't  Velociraptors, they are more like Deinonychus seeing as the current Utahraptor design blows the look out of the water as well..all they have in common is size to an extent.

Feathers are just the largest most obvious issue to most so they fixate on that..the media also picks up on it much more than other problems. It's a hot topic.

I will say people who visit our Park here seem to be equally impressed with feathered and non-feathered dinosaurs.  An occasional guest has a preference. I haven't seen any not open to the idea that many had feathers and that modern birds are dinosaurs as well which we also point out when discussing the subject.

JP is it's own universe really though, just like Harry Potter, ect.. so they are allowed some fantasy.  The fact that people don't question everything and take what they see on film as truth is the real problem.  Of course it gives us dinophiles something to discuss and point out.  We have a JP Raptor, our very first life size dinosaur I built.  We use "Winston" to point out in accuracies in what people think compared to some of the up to date reconstructions they see in the the rest of the Park.

[Patrx]

I still see no reason why they couldn't keep their "raptors" naked and introduce a different feathered dinosaur.

That's a good point! When I heard that Jurassic Park: The Game was to feature Troodon, I was hoping they'd do something like that. Tragically, we ended up with this:

Yikes. It was Jurassic Park that singlehandedly brought the Dinosaur Renaissance to the general public, and established the dinosaur-bird connection in the minds of even the most casual dinosaur fans. It was so carefully designed to be something more than a monster movie. I wish the new film could live up to that legacy, I really do - but if it tried, it would be ignored. We need something new to bring twenty-first century paleontology to the masses.

[stargatedalek]

all maniraptorans had feathers, deinonychus and utahraptor are not exceptions, or perhaps I confused what you meant
it needs to be questioned, if no one mentioned it people who are not already knowing could go on assuming JP is accurate

IMO we need a new series to show us accurate dinosaurs, but a nod in JW couldn't hurt, like JP the game has

[dragon53]

Photo released showing an animatronic Velociraptor being used in JURASSIC WORLD.

[Patrx]

http://youtu.be/KWsbcBvYqN8

Fantastic new video from Academy Originals about the making of Jurassic Park. The definition of lightning in a bottle, perfect timing to change visual effects and dinosaur media all at once.

[Yutyrannus]

When it comes to feathering dinosaurs, I would prefer that they go full "bird" mode, or not at all. I hate half attempted efforts at feathering dinos, like when they give the animal some feathers on the back of the head or along the arms, but nothing much else.

But the feathering thing isn't the only thing that people should be complaining about. What about the Utahraptor sized Velociraptors? Or the broken wrists that are present on every single theropod? The elephant feet on the Triceratops? I could go on. Why do people complain about the feathers the most, but not the other problems?

That's basically what I just said.

[stargatedalek]

what if the original dinosaurs were remade to be accurate, and the mutant dinosaurs we've been teased with are actually based on the originals?

makes you think, but I doubt it

[ITdactyl]

Nah, I think it'd be better if they don't introduce feathers at all - just to preserve continuity (despite my personal wish to see more accurate saurians).

Your points are spot-on.  If the feathers issue was "fixed", other anatomical issues will be raised.  Then there's the issue of behavior.  Why would raptors who presumably already ate a human, still be on a constant hunt?  How about that T.Rex who already ate a lawyer and a full grown gallimimus?  He should be sated and resting. LOL

I'll settle for a non-scientifically accurate JP, as long as they give us a good movie (one with a plot that doesn't insult the audience's intelligence).  I'm good with having other outlets showing the general public what a "real" dinosaur is.

Just a funny last thought - what if they did retcon the whole thing by having a Dr. Wu type character say: "Well, the first batch were feathered but we had to re-engineer them.  No one wants to see a feathered raptor."

[SpartanSquat]

Remember the Utahraptor was discovered after JP was completed. And the velociraptor in JP are Deinonychus. Thanks to Gregory Paul. Crichton used Paul books for dinosaur, and remember Paul classified Deinonychus as a Velociraptor species. Later in the movie, they said they were an hybrid specie.
Atl least the velociraptor is very faithful to the first movie. I think the colour pattern could be an homage to novels. In the novel one of the velociraptors was green.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Remember the Utahraptor was discovered after JP was completed. And the velociraptor in JP are Deinonychus. Thanks to Gregory Paul. Crichton used Paul books for dinosaur, and remember Paul classified Deinonychus as a Velociraptor species. Later in the movie, they said they were an hybrid specie.
Atl least the velociraptor is very faithful to the first movie. I think the colour pattern could be an homage to novels. In the novel one of the velociraptors was green.

The wild ones were green in coloration..they could also change color like a chameleon to an extent. Maybe that's what we'll see here.