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Jurassic Park 4 [Jurassic World] (no spoilers)

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Ultimatedinoking

Quote from: Yutyrannus on July 23, 2014, 07:03:32 PM
Quote from: Ultimatedinoking on July 23, 2014, 06:54:36 PM
Quote from: Yutyrannus on July 23, 2014, 06:34:43 PM
All of those (except the t-rex-chicken thing) make total sense, at least in the right context (for example a feathered Pachyrhinosaurus).

Exactly!

What "exactly"? I wasn't agreeing with you. Honestly, with coelurosaurs and even other theropods, like allosaurs, it should just be assumed that they had feathers until there is evidence that they didn't (which there really isn't any that I'm aware of).

No no, we shouldn't "assume" anything! Feathers could have been limited to only a few theropod groups, and others could have lost their feathers secondarily, like how rhinos, hippos, humans, elephants, and some mole rats, have lost their hair.
I may not like feathered dinosaurs and stumpy legged Spinosaurs, but I will keep those opinions to myself, I will not start a debate over it, I promise. 😇
-UDK


DinoToyForum

This is going off topic. I'm sure there's another thread somewhere on the forum for feathered dinos discussion if you want to continue it there. Thanks!  C:-).



Ultimatedinoking

Quote from: dinotoyforum on July 23, 2014, 07:21:58 PM
This is going off topic. I'm sure there's another thread somewhere on the forum for feathered dinos discussion if you want to continue it there. Thanks!  C:-).

Ok, we will go there.

Where is it?
I may not like feathered dinosaurs and stumpy legged Spinosaurs, but I will keep those opinions to myself, I will not start a debate over it, I promise. 😇
-UDK

DinoToyForum

Quote from: Ultimatedinoking on July 23, 2014, 07:26:52 PM
Quote from: dinotoyforum on July 23, 2014, 07:21:58 PM
This is going off topic. I'm sure there's another thread somewhere on the forum for feathered dinos discussion if you want to continue it there. Thanks!  C:-).

Ok, we will go there.

Where is it?

I found it:
http://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=1742.0



Gwangi

While I do prefer the more anatomically correct poster, I think you'll find a lot of members/moderators frowning at the curse word. It doesn't bother me but we do have a lot of younger members.

tyrantqueen

It's also against the rules.

Quote2. No profanity, pornography or spam.

Patrx

#786
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Gwangi

If that is her nest, I wonder how she broods the eggs with the wheel in the way?

tyrantqueen

Quote from: Gwangi on July 23, 2014, 10:53:22 PM
If that is her nest, I wonder how she broods the eggs with the wheel in the way?
It must squeeze in there somehow.

Patrx

Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 23, 2014, 11:04:54 PM
Quote from: Gwangi on July 23, 2014, 10:53:22 PM
If that is her nest, I wonder how she broods the eggs with the wheel in the way?
It must squeeze in there somehow.

Life, uh, finds a way.

Gwangi

Quote from: Patrx on July 23, 2014, 11:07:52 PM
Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 23, 2014, 11:04:54 PM
Quote from: Gwangi on July 23, 2014, 10:53:22 PM
If that is her nest, I wonder how she broods the eggs with the wheel in the way?
It must squeeze in there somehow.

Life, uh, finds a way.

:)) Well played sir!

stargatedalek

Quote from: Gwangi on July 23, 2014, 10:27:51 PM
While I do prefer the more anatomically correct poster, I think you'll find a lot of members/moderators frowning at the curse word. It doesn't bother me but we do have a lot of younger members.
for future reference would linking to it with a warning be acceptable?

SBell

Quote from: stargatedalek on July 24, 2014, 01:22:07 AM
Quote from: Gwangi on July 23, 2014, 10:27:51 PM
While I do prefer the more anatomically correct poster, I think you'll find a lot of members/moderators frowning at the curse word. It doesn't bother me but we do have a lot of younger members.
for future reference would linking to it with a warning be acceptable?

Probably--of course, the real question is the necessity of said language in the first place.It doesn't really add anything to the point of the poster.


Ultimatedinoking

#793


This poster is actually wrong, the raptors were based off deinonychus, their head should not be that pointy, besides, it's too big to be a velociraptor.
I may not like feathered dinosaurs and stumpy legged Spinosaurs, but I will keep those opinions to myself, I will not start a debate over it, I promise. 😇
-UDK

Blade-of-the-Moon

Quote from: Ultimatedinoking on July 24, 2014, 05:31:08 PM


This poster is actually wrong, the raptors were based off deinonychus, their head should not be that pointy, besides, it's too big to be a velociraptor.

Correct. The whole problem stemmed from the name Deinonychus was originally given..Velociraptor  Antirrhopus as it was thought to be a similar species.

All one really needs to do is add feathers to the existing one and fix the wrists.

Ultimatedinoking

Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on July 24, 2014, 06:44:47 PM
Quote from: Ultimatedinoking on July 24, 2014, 05:31:08 PM


This poster is actually wrong, the raptors were based off deinonychus, their head should not be that pointy, besides, it's too big to be a velociraptor.

Correct. The whole problem stemmed from the name Deinonychus was originally given..Velociraptor  Antirrhopus as it was thought to be a similar species.

All one really needs to do is add feathers to the existing one and fix the wrists.

Not if their going for continuity...
I may not like feathered dinosaurs and stumpy legged Spinosaurs, but I will keep those opinions to myself, I will not start a debate over it, I promise. 😇
-UDK

stargatedalek

Quote from: Ultimatedinoking on July 24, 2014, 05:31:08 PM


This poster is actually wrong, the raptors were based off deinonychus, their head should not be that pointy, besides, it's too big to be a velociraptor.
technically no, in the books Grant was digging up deinonychus, but the creatures in the park were velociraptor as we classify it today, but I don't remember if it was mongoliensis or another species

and since these details were not mentioned in the film, its typical to use the books to fill in gaps like this

Gwangi

#797
Quote from: stargatedalek on July 24, 2014, 09:47:29 PM
Quote from: Ultimatedinoking on July 24, 2014, 05:31:08 PM


This poster is actually wrong, the raptors were based off deinonychus, their head should not be that pointy, besides, it's too big to be a velociraptor.
technically no, in the books Grant was digging up deinonychus, but the creatures in the park were velociraptor as we classify it today, but I don't remember if it was mongoliensis or another species

and since these details were not mentioned in the film, its typical to use the books to fill in gaps like this

But at the time the book was written Deinonychus was a fairly new discovery. Some, in particular Greg Paul, thought Deinonychus should be lumped into Velociraptor. It states this in the book. So while the animal in the book/movie is technically more like Deinonychus it is called Velociraptor due to an issue of taxonomy.

stargatedalek

QuoteIn the novel, Dr. Henry Wu mentions that the amber which the raptors were cloned from came from Mongolia. Therefore, they could not have been Deinonychus, since Deinonychus only lived in North America, not Mongolia.
http://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Velociraptor_%28novel_canon%29
http://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Deinonychus

Gwangi

#799
Quote from: stargatedalek on July 25, 2014, 12:07:27 AM
QuoteIn the novel, Dr. Henry Wu mentions that the amber which the raptors were cloned from came from Mongolia. Therefore, they could not have been Deinonychus, since Deinonychus only lived in North America, not Mongolia.
http://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Velociraptor_%28novel_canon%29
http://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Deinonychus

It appears you are correct, or we both are. Hmmm, what a messy situation. At least no one here is trying to claim they were Utahraptor. That is not a theory I support.

QuoteVelociraptor are well known for their role as vicious and cunning killers thanks to their portrayal in the 1990 novel Jurassic Park by Michael Crichton and its 1993 film adaptation, directed by Steven Spielberg. The "raptors" portrayed in Jurassic Park were modeled after a related coelurosaur, Deinonychus, which had been named at the time by Gregory Paul Velociraptor antirrhopus.[4] Paleontologists in both the novel and film excavate a skeleton in Montana, far from the central Asian range of Velociraptor but characteristic of the Deinonychus range. A character in Crichton's novel also states that "...Deinonychus is now considered one of the velociraptors", which suggests that Crichton used Paul's taxonomy even though the "raptors" in the novel are at another point referred to as V. mongoliensis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velociraptor#In_popular_culture

I blame Crichton and Spielberg for just not knowing that much about dinosaur or dinosaur taxonomy.


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