JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION

[Shadowknight1]

Meanwhile, I'm sitting here waiting for a certain dinosaur that's been leaked and not yet seen yet in all of its feathery, hopefully, glory.

[HD-man]

@Gwangi

I guess that's a fair point, but it seems like you're also missing the main point I'm trying to make. The fact that the guitar is in the wrong time period is inconsequential, 99% of moviegoers are not aware of this inaccuracy and don't care. And so it is with the Jurassic movies. We're 5 movies into the franchise and for each one of these movies that comes out people have these high expectations and then get let down. If you didn't like the last 2-3-4 movies then what are you even doing in the thread? Not you specifically, I'm speaking generally. The fool me once rule should apply at this point. And it really should be common knowledge by now that the presence of a good advisor makes little difference in the end, this is all old and tired territory.

I think the main thing to consider is, is any of this important?

Maybe. Unless someone is a very well-known liar, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt when they say they're trying. Also, as you may remember, I know the mere presence of a dino advisor isn't enough to guarantee more accurate dinos, especially when the dino advisor is Brusatte ( http://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=6700.msg251373#msg251373 ). That said, Trevorrow et al. made such a big thing of getting Brusatte as their new dino advisor & making their new Dominion dinos more accurate that it made me more hopeful. I thought something along the lines of, "Surely they wouldn't put so much attention on this aspect of Dominion if they weren't at least trying." But now that I know they're nothing but a lot of talk, I'll do what I did for JWFK & wait until I can watch Dominion for free.

As for your last question, I think Conway put it best when he said, "Why does this matter? Thinking of the prehistory world as a landscape filled with predictable monsters is to profoundly misunderstand what this world is, and our place in it. Complaints that paleontologists are harping on details is to miss the point. These details might seem esoteric and irrelevant, but our picture of the prehistoric world is composed of details. Millions and millions of them. And they speak of a variety and strangeness that is constantly surprising and fascinating. Knowing something of the endless surprises fossil animals hold is no less important than knowing that the Earth revolves around the sun, or where China is" ( https://www.theguardian.com/science/lost-worlds/2014/dec/04/scientists-disappointed-jurassic-world-dinosaurs-movie-film ).

Its Clear That the Word ACURACY is just a Buz word to these Hollywood rich folk

Reminds me of this Simpsons clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlf2G0O_VY0

Like, I want to remind everyone here that excuses that "it's a Holllywood movie, it's not meant to be accurate" falls through when that's literally what Collin Trevarrow is selling it as:

Many thanks for finding that screenshot. I knew I read it somewhere.

D @Dynomikegojira What's NHK?

[Gwangi]

As for your last question, I think Conway put it best when he said, "Why does this matter? Thinking of the prehistory world as a landscape filled with predictable monsters is to profoundly misunderstand what this world is, and our place in it. Complaints that paleontologists are harping on details is to miss the point. These details might seem esoteric and irrelevant, but our picture of the prehistoric world is composed of details. Millions and millions of them. And they speak of a variety and strangeness that is constantly surprising and fascinating. Knowing something of the endless surprises fossil animals hold is no less important than knowing that the Earth revolves around the sun,

I agree with all that, and I agree that it does matter, but people don't even care about the living planet, never mind the prehistoric one. Priorities. I wish it wasn't that way, but here we are.

[Dynomikegojira]

They're a Japanese broadcasting company that's done several prehistoric documentaries. Some of the best dinosaurs I've seen that's why I want them to tackle a WWD style series.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h_l7bjHjmC0

[ITdactyl]

D @Dynomikegojira did you mean the Japan Broadcast Network?  Wasn't their last WWD-type documentary the Tambatitanis special?  That was 2019 though... hopefully they have a new one coming up with no recycled models.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting here waiting for a certain dinosaur that's been leaked and not yet seen yet in all of its feathery, hopefully, glory.

'm suddenly curious; which one are you referring to? 3 feathered dinosaurs have been revealed formally: Moros through that press release image, the flashback Tyrannosaurus in the poster and Oviraptor (which hasn't been shown yet) through the interview.

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Or did you mean the Pyroraptor (which appears to be an open secret now)?

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[Dynomikegojira]

Says NHK on YouTube but yeah they're the same I think they've done several shorts I just want to see them expand.

[Shadowknight1]

D @Dynomikegojira did you mean the Japan Broadcast Network?  Wasn't their last WWD-type documentary the Tambatitanis special?  That was 2019 though... hopefully they have a new one coming up with no recycled models.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting here waiting for a certain dinosaur that's been leaked and not yet seen yet in all of its feathery, hopefully, glory.

'm suddenly curious; which one are you referring to? 3 feathered dinosaurs have been revealed formally: Moros through that press release image, the flashback Tyrannosaurus in the poster and Oviraptor (which hasn't been shown yet) through the interview.

Spoiler

Or did you mean the Pyroraptor (which appears to be an open secret now)?

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I am meaning Pyroraptor.  I know there've been some toy images leak, but nothing really showing much of what the actual dinosaur will look like in the film.

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[bone crusher]

Hi there, new comer here, nice to meet you all.
I figure this is a good place to get informed on the JWD news and leaks, so just wondering in regard to the description of Giganotosaurus from the new movie, have they said anything about its physical proportion compared to the T. Rex? It's widely known by now Rex is far more bulkier, more robust and heavier than Giga, so I hope the movie would at least convey that since they want to emphasize on the accuracy side. T. Rex should be about 1-2 tons heavier with a wider torso, so it's crazy enough it lost the battle in the flashback to a Giga, if Rexy doesn't fully stomp present day Giga and show her physical dominance I'm gonna be real p*ssed.

[Dynomikegojira]

Welcome to the forum and I wouldn't get your hopes up they threw reality outta the window.

[KeU]

Hi there, new comer here, nice to meet you all.
I figure this is a good place to get informed on the JWD news and leaks, so just wondering in regard to the description of Giganotosaurus from the new movie, have they said anything about its physical proportion compared to the T. Rex? It's widely known by now Rex is far more bulkier, more robust and heavier than Giga, so I hope the movie would at least convey that since they want to emphasize on the accuracy side. T. Rex should be about 1-2 tons heavier with a wider torso, so it's crazy enough it lost the battle in the flashback to a Giga, if Rexy doesn't fully stomp present day Giga and show her physical dominance I'm gonna be real p*ssed.

Ignoring the fact that having both of them are together in the same time period (Much have been touched on in the previous posts),
I did read somewhere they wanted to depict the Giga as leaner compared to the Rex.
That would be challenging considering the JP Rex is already scrawny and lacking bulk.
Even ignoring that, it is still possible that a Giga can potentially take down any large theropod.
Heck, I can't even tell you who would win in a fight with extant animals (i.e Tiger vs Grizzly), let alone extinct animals.
Just take your pick, bone crusher or meat slicer, strength or efficiency.
The movie will play out and we'll go along for the ride I suppose.
No need to get too worked up over a movie.

[Shadowknight1]

These movies have NEVER been interested too much in real world science.  It's already farfetched that they can clone dinosaurs from DNA found in fossilized mosquitos and then fill the holes in the DNA sequence with frog DNA(which should cause even more mutations than we've seen, if you think on it).  Add to that the fact that these animals existed at a time when the foliage and atmospheric composition of Earth was much, much different.  And also, add on the fact that InGen apparently could resurrect flora from the Cretaceous period("Alan, this species of veriformen's been extinct since the Cretaceous period" and "You have plants in this building that are poisonous, you picked them because they look good").  Reality does not enter into the Jurassic franchise.

[bone crusher]

Welcome to the forum and I wouldn't get your hopes up they threw reality outta the window.

Thank you .

Hi there, new comer here, nice to meet you all.
I figure this is a good place to get informed on the JWD news and leaks, so just wondering in regard to the description of Giganotosaurus from the new movie, have they said anything about its physical proportion compared to the T. Rex? It's widely known by now Rex is far more bulkier, more robust and heavier than Giga, so I hope the movie would at least convey that since they want to emphasize on the accuracy side. T. Rex should be about 1-2 tons heavier with a wider torso, so it's crazy enough it lost the battle in the flashback to a Giga, if Rexy doesn't fully stomp present day Giga and show her physical dominance I'm gonna be real p*ssed.

Ignoring the fact that having both of them are together in the same time period (Much have been touched on in the previous posts),
I did read somewhere they wanted to depict the Giga as leaner compared to the Rex.
That would be challenging considering the JP Rex is already scrawny and lacking bulk.
Even ignoring that, it is still possible that a Giga can potentially take down any large theropod.
Heck, I can't even tell you who would win in a fight with extant animals (i.e Tiger vs Grizzly), let alone extinct animals.
Just take your pick, bone crusher or meat slicer, strength or efficiency.
The movie will play out and we'll go along for the ride I suppose.
No need to get too worked up over a movie.

Good to hear, would love to see a link. But yeah I guess I'll just have to deal with it, it's just I expected some kind of paleo accuracy when they vowed to go on that path this time.

[Appalachiosaurus]

These movies have NEVER been interested too much in real world science.  It's already farfetched that they can clone dinosaurs from DNA found in fossilized mosquitos and then fill the holes in the DNA sequence with frog DNA(which should cause even more mutations than we've seen, if you think on it).  Add to that the fact that these animals existed at a time when the foliage and atmospheric composition of Earth was much, much different.  And also, add on the fact that InGen apparently could resurrect flora from the Cretaceous period("Alan, this species of veriformen's been extinct since the Cretaceous period" and "You have plants in this building that are poisonous, you picked them because they look good").  Reality does not enter into the Jurassic franchise.

So it wouldn't be out of place if Alan Grant could grow 15 feet tall to arm wrestle a Spinosaurus? Would you not roll your eyes if Aliens came down to earth and made Rexy super smart so that she could beat Tiger Woods in the international golfing match? How about if cybernetic robo-cats took over the world, wiping out the human race, but then missing our head-pats so they genetically engineer the Dinosaurs to look and act like the characters from the 1991 Sitcom?

Reality does enter the JP franchise, it's literally considered hard Sci-Fi, it was meant to be our world but just slightly to the left. A "what if DNA could last that long" scenario. It's not a universe where literally anything can happen without ruining the world the first movie set up, and that bar of immersion may be higher for you, but it suddenly being canon that Jurassic Park takes place in a universe with the same logic as Fantasia or Disney's Dinosaur surpasses that bar to me.

[DinoToyForum]

These movies have NEVER been interested too much in real world science.  It's already farfetched that they can clone dinosaurs from DNA found in fossilized mosquitos and then fill the holes in the DNA sequence with frog DNA(which should cause even more mutations than we've seen, if you think on it).  Add to that the fact that these animals existed at a time when the foliage and atmospheric composition of Earth was much, much different.  And also, add on the fact that InGen apparently could resurrect flora from the Cretaceous period("Alan, this species of veriformen's been extinct since the Cretaceous period" and "You have plants in this building that are poisonous, you picked them because they look good").  Reality does not enter into the Jurassic franchise.

So it wouldn't be out of place if Alan Grant could grow 15 feet tall to arm wrestle a Spinosaurus? Would you not roll your eyes if Aliens came down to earth and made Rexy super smart so that she could beat Tiger Woods in the international golfing match? How about if cybernetic robo-cats took over the world, wiping out the human race, but then missing our head-pats so they genetically engineer the Dinosaurs to look and act like the characters from the 1991 Sitcom?

Stop giving Universal Studios ideas! 

[PumperKrickel]

Really cool how every Jurassic World thread is still being used to pointlessly complain about inaccuracies. It's tiring, boring and utterly unimpressive at this point.

[Syndicate Bias]

Like @KeU and Gwangi and a few others have said as well as I. Just tag along for the ride and enjoy it or don't lol.

On the bright side I get to see the Giga kill a Rex and that's more than enough for me 

Plus all the models and figures and popularity that it will bring to my favourite dinosaur. The more the better in my own personal opinion.

[Dynomikegojira]

Healthy discussion always include different opinions and we have a right to address them just like those who have differing opinions have a right to state them as well. I've have already explained why I disagree with the decisions made and others have pretty hit the nail on the head why we feel it's a valid issue. JWD is literally a Land Before Time fantasy world that runs counter to what JP started out as. Can't convince me differently but I'll watch the movie anyway and I may even enjoy it.

[Papi-Anon]

Personally I'm just looking forward to the Super Colossal Giga Mattel is supposed to release next year. I don't see Giga winning the fight with Rexy, though I don't rule out a Pyrrhic victory for Rexy before she succumbs to her injuries.

[Brocc21]

When Marty McFly plays "Jonny B. Goode" in Back to the Future on a Gibson ES-345, does anyone care that that guitar wouldn't have been released for another 3 years after that scene takes place? Guitar people might, but no one else does, and so it is the same thing with regards to the dinosaurs in the Jurassic Park/World franchise. I would prefer it if the right dinosaurs were interacting with each other in this flashback scene, but I understand why they aren't. They want to showcase specific dinosaurs for a wow factor, and those dinosaurs probably tie into the story too somehow.

Couldn't agree more. I think a lot of people in the Paleo community forget that our science doesn't really effect the broader scope of things in the real world. Spinosaurus had a tail fin, that's really interesting. But it doesn't help get the bills paid if you know what I mean. A lot of the people going to see the new Jurassic Park wont be dino nerds like us. Just people who wanna see a cool movie or some parents who want to give the kids something to do for 2 hours. And if some dinosaurs not being in the correct time zones in a made up film universe is a big deal for you, I think your just looking a little to into it.

Realistically how can you justify Moros and Tyrannosaurus coexisting at the same time from what this prologue sounds like when Moros or a close relative lead to the existence of Tyrannosaurus.

Movie magic

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Also I think some of you are missing the fact that this whole sequence is a story telling element. We see a Giganotosaur kill a T.rex in the past. And then later in the film Rexy will fight Biosyns cloned Giga.It may not be accurate but it makes for an interesting plot.

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We acknowledge it's a story telling device but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. Colin Treverow is literally ignore the unique premise of Jurassic Park where multiple species coexist for the first time because of human technology.

That's not why these movies are unique. They're unique because they have a strong message (or had anyway), great acting (sometimes) and also have Dinosaurs in them. Them not being from the same places in time isnt the general appeal to the public.

[bone crusher]

Personally I'm just looking forward to the Super Colossal Giga Mattel is supposed to release next year. I don't see Giga winning the fight with Rexy, though I don't rule out a Pyrrhic victory for Rexy before she succumbs to her injuries.

Despite this being the most likely scenario I kinda wish they would retire her for any more boss level fight due to her already battered and worn out body. I wanna see a fresh, bulky t.rex specimen in its prime like what Rexy used to be in JP1 to take on and kill the Giga to avenging its ancestor's death. An old, injury laden and emaciated Rexy of present time would surely struggle in strength, speed, endurance no matter how seasoned, experienced and bada** she once was. Even if she ended up killing the Giga, people might get the wrong perception that t.rex isn't all that superior physically to Giga when in reality its much robust, bulky body and heavier weight should give it a much bigger advantage in a fight. And that flashback t.rex who lost to the Giga better be due to some handicap like a surprise ambush, it would look silly if a near deathbed Rexy won the fight while a healthy, young prime rex lost in a square fight lol.