The Unique Species Specimen Discussion Thread

[BlueKrono]

I hope you manage to get the Gerrothorax, BlueKrono!

Mr. Tokugawa responded very quickly to my email. Of the things I would be willing to give for the Gerrothorax: $26. So excited for its arrival!!! I also ordered the Drepanaspis.

[Sim]

After you linked to Hirokazu's blog yesterday, I did some searching and that's how I unintentionally found his shop.


Regarding the unique species specimen list, I would suggest the models by him that should be considered for the purpose of the list are the ones we know have been/are available to buy.  So it seems that would mean Gerrothorax and Drepanaspis get removed as BlueKrono mentioned, while Psephoderma and Drepanosaurus get added?

[Roselaar]

Regarding the unique species specimen list, I would suggest the models by him that should be considered for the purpose of the list are the ones we know have been/are available to buy.  So it seems that would mean Gerrothorax and Drepanaspis get removed as BlueKrono mentioned, while Psephoderma and Drepanosaurus get added?

Sounds good to me. Can you link me towards pics of those models?

[Sim]

Pics of those models can be seen in his shop: http://www.ne.jp/asahi/fragi/ragi/e.shop.html  If you click on a model it will link to a page with larger photos of that model.  Some of his models have more than one version, but the sculpt appears to be the same so I'm guessing they still count as unique, since in the current unique species list there are figures which are available in more than one colour scheme?

[Roselaar]

Pics of those models can be seen in his shop: http://www.ne.jp/asahi/fragi/ragi/e.shop.html  If you click on a model it will link to a page with larger photos of that model.  Some of his models have more than one version, but the sculpt appears to be the same so I'm guessing they still count as unique, since in the current unique species list there are figures which are available in more than one colour scheme?

Exactly, it's the sculpt that counts, not the colour. Thanks for the link. 

Adding and removing this week's discussed species now.

[Roselaar]

Added a decent picture of Canadaspis.

Deleted Thylacoleo.

[Roselaar]

Eurypterus is off the list. Blame PaleoZoo.

[Roselaar]

Am I correct in the asumption that Collecta's new Excalibosaurus, Gigantspinosaurus and Regaliceratops are all unique species?

[stargatedalek]

I've seen bootlegs of the Carnegie Miragaia labelled as Gigantspinosaurus, IDK if those count.

[Roselaar]

I've seen bootlegs of the Carnegie Miragaia labelled as Gigantspinosaurus, IDK if those count.

That's an interesting dilemma... What do other forum members think about this one?

[Halichoeres]

I've also seen Carnegie Miragaia knockoffs labeled as Tuojiangosaurus, and Papo Brachiosaurus knockoffs labeled Sauroposeidon, among others. The premise of the list was unique sculpts, correct? I personally think the spirit of that ought to exclude recasts, but it is a debatable point.

[Roselaar]

I've also seen Carnegie Miragaia knockoffs labeled as Tuojiangosaurus, and Papo Brachiosaurus knockoffs labeled Sauroposeidon, among others. The premise of the list was unique sculpts, correct? I personally think the spirit of that ought to exclude recasts, but it is a debatable point.

I feel you're right though, they're basically the same sculpts. If I don't count repaints, then I shouldn't recasts either.

How about busts? Found out there's a Regaliceratops bust on Dans Dinosaurs. It's not the whole animal, but should it still be enough to keep the Collecta figure off the list?

[Halichoeres]

How about busts? Found out there's a Regaliceratops bust on Dans Dinosaurs. It's not the whole animal, but should it still be enough to keep the Collecta figure off the list?

That's a tough one! How much of the animal is required for it to count? If nobody made a full megalodon figure, but they did make plastic replicas of the teeth, would that count?

[BlueKrono]

I would vote no on the knockoffs. One time I saw CollectA Spinosaurus KOs sold by a Chinese seller as "Suchomimus", but that didn't make them Suchs. It was pretty obvious what they were. I would say yes on parts, whether a full skeleton or single tooth. If it's meant to be a certain species by the manufacturer then I would count it as that species. Sometimes just as much research goes into a skeletal or head-only representation as another company's fully fleshed out version.

[Halichoeres]

I would vote no on the knockoffs. One time I saw CollectA Spinosaurus KOs sold by a Chinese seller as "Suchomimus", but that didn't make them Suchs. It was pretty obvious what they were. I would say yes on parts, whether a full skeleton or single tooth. If it's meant to be a certain species by the manufacturer then I would count it as that species. Sometimes just as much research goes into a skeletal or head-only representation as another company's fully fledged out version.

That's a fact, good point. The Kaiyodo Tarchia skull is on the USL, so I'd say a bust is enough to displace the CollectA. Although I think the bust actually came out over a year ago.

[Roselaar]

You're right, the Tarchia skull is on the list, so the bust should have been as well (not that it matters any more). As far as the number of parts needed to count for making it to the list, I think I'll draw the line at skulls. They are after all any creature's most defining feature (well, usually). Teeth alone are just to little to go on.

So I can keep the Tarchia skull in. And I'll add the Excalibosaurus and Gigantspinosaurus ASAP.

Any other upcoming 2017 releases that should be on the list? Aside from the vast majority of Mr. Silva's Raptor line?

EDIT: just found there's more to update on the list. Thanks to Paleozoo, Kimberella and Dickinsonia will leave the list. I can safely say Remigolepis, Funisia and Spriggina can be added though. And is there a difference between Charnia and Charniodiscus?

[Halichoeres]

That sounds like a reasonable line to draw. As for upcoming releases, Colorata is making an Acutiramis. CollectA is making Diplomoceras, Leedsichthys, Australiceras, Parapuzosia, and Baculites, which I think are all unique. The only one that's potentially contentious is the Parapuzosia, because there has been taxonomic confusion between it and Pachydiscus, which has already been made by Kaiyodo. Both CollectA and Colorata are making a Cameroceras, which will knock the Yowie version off the list. That's all I can think of.

[BlueKrono]

Yeah, who makes unique species teeth anyway?

[Roselaar]

That sounds like a reasonable line to draw. As for upcoming releases, Colorata is making an Acutiramis. CollectA is making Diplomoceras, Leedsichthys, Australiceras, Parapuzosia, and Baculites, which I think are all unique. The only one that's potentially contentious is the Parapuzosia, because there has been taxonomic confusion between it and Pachydiscus, which has already been made by Kaiyodo. Both CollectA and Colorata are making a Cameroceras, which will knock the Yowie version off the list. That's all I can think of.

Thanks! I need to keep my eyes wide open then this year.

[DinoToyForum]

I'm reviewing the Confuciusornis by PNSO. It isn't in the unique species list, should it be?