Schleich - new for 2020

[Takama]

There is one STS Forum member who said that Schleich can take Further action if they fail to adhear to guidlines.   And this was not just any forum member.  It was a moderator of STS.

I Beleive it was in one of the new for (insert year) theads, But i cant remember which one. But they DID thereaten some sort of action against the forum.  Call me a liar all you like. I know what i read

[PumperKrickel]

There is one STS Forum member who said that Schleich can take Further action if they fail to adhear to guidlines.   And this was not just any forum member.  It was a moderator of STS.

I Beleive it was in one of the new for (insert year) theads, But i cant remember which one. But they DID thereaten some sort of action against the forum.  Call me a liar all you like. I know what i read

Just because Schleich could take legal action does not mean they threathened legal action.

I´m not calling anyone a liar. I´m saying you may have misunderstood the whole situation. In the mail that was sent to the sts there is zero mention of suing the forum. Their whole point was that THEY were afraid of having problems with their retailers and licensors due to the leaks. Doug Watson is not allowed to share any information regarding upcoming figures, for the very same reason. There are contracts in place. I suspect this is merely another misunderstanding similar to the one regarding the claims of being educational toys.

Making claims that Schleich hates the forums and wants to take them down could be interpreted as commercial disparagement by defamation and considering the amount of people who now appear fully convinced that Schleich threatened sts with a lawsuit and also taking into account the hostility towards Schleich in the last few years, it´s easy to imagine that these claims have been damaging towards their business. Unless there are direct witnesses or sources for such threats being made, Schleich could potentially sue this forum for spreading these damaging statements. Same would be true if this was about Papo, Safari, Collecta or whoever. Just a point to consider.

Edit: I have reported myself now to get the attention of mods and admins. I believe this is an important discussion we´re having that would benefit from some of them taking part.

[SidB]

Thank you for sharing this. It appears that these allegations against Schleich are wildly blown out of proportion.

Might I remind everyone of this sentence in the Registration Agreement all of us agreed to when joining this forum:
"You will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law."

Even if Dr. Admin decides that a corporate entity does not deserve the same level of respect as a person does, the spreading of inaccurate information regarding Schleich would still violate the rules. No matter how ugly their figures are.

There is a rather shadowy area of which to be aware when engaging in a discussion like this and you've certainly captured the sense of this. Corporations are entities of a sort that are distinct from the people who administer and manage them BUT definitely NOT separate. There is a corporate mindset that emerges from its participants, but that ultimately transcends them and MAY even come to dominate them. There really are degrees of this, both positive and negative. The latter seems to have come to the fore in this ongoing discussion. We want to be sure that we stay within the well thought-out boundaries of our forum rules, whose purpose is to ensure our corporate and individual well-being.

[DinoToyForum]

@dinotoyforum do you think this discussion warrents contiuation?

If people have more things to say then that warrants continuation of the discussion, so long as no rules are being broken. At some point members may decide to agree to disagree rather than go around in circles, but that's their choice. The thread has gone somewhat off topic so I will consider splitting it. There have been some heated exchanges ( @stargatedalek's "bull" raised an eyebrow) but I don't see any rules broken yet (I'm still catching up...).

...do you think we should treat a cooperate Enttitiy like Schleich to the same standards as your average member of this very forum?

I think it is possible to voice disdain and dislike in general without being intentionally rude.

[DinoToyForum]

Edit: I have reported myself now to get the attention of mods and admins. I believe this is an important discussion we´re having that would benefit from some of them taking part.

Thanks for flagging this thread. I'm now up to date with the last three pages of discussion. With regard to posting material that is false, defamatory, or inaccurate, I can only trust that all members are posting in good faith – I'm in no position to judge what's true or false (in this matter, at least). Maybe this thread will be an impetus for members to investigate and set the record straight. Intention is important and I'm sure no members are intentionally lying. I also trust that all members are willing to stand corrected in the face of new evidence (or lack of evidence).

I'm not going to introduce a rule to stop members voicing criticism of toys, companies, even of other members: so long as it is done respectfully (and there's room for improvement there) and doesn't break any forum rules (or laws), everyone is entitled to their opinion. That freedom is what makes interesting discussions like the one in this thread possible.

[Libraraptor]

Schleich,  like LEGO, has become very big and thus arrogant and ignorant. It is the faith of every system.  It is the faith of every brand,  no matter it had initially been founded for good purposes. 
I personally do not like the fact that no matter where I go in retail here Germany I don't have the freedom to decide. There simply IS no other brand on the shelves. Customers are being committed to a monopolist, and that is what I hate. Plus I suppose they buy positive reviews on Amazon. The whole appearance and diction of many of the positive reviews appears to me as predominantly unnatural.
I don't hate or bash Schleich, but partly due to what I wrote so far and partly because of what clerks at retailers tell me between the lines when I ask them for Schleichs  behaviour of their  sales representatives I decided to regard them rather suspiciously and alertly.
This doesn't mean I don't allow myself to like some of their figures very much.

[austrosaurus]

But they at least dont try to sue the forum leaking the pictures..   Safari has a better time keeping there stuff a secret, and when someone finds pictures of Schleichs upcomeing products for the following year, they  theraten to sue the whole forum, just because one person wanted to show off whats new, because this company cant keep a secret as good as there rivals

Fact is that the hostility towards Schleich makes no difference for them.

If it makes no difference, why do you care?

[PumperKrickel]

If it makes no difference, why do you care?

I care because it makes a difference to me. Schleich most likely doesn´t frequent this forum and is unaffected, regardless of the hostility towards them. I do frequent this forum and reading the same allegations again and again and again despite them having nothing to do with the figures themselves is tiresome.

Thanks for flagging this thread. I'm now up to date with the last three pages of discussion. With regard to posting material that is false, defamatory, or inaccurate, I can only trust that all members are posting in good faith – I'm in no position to judge what's true or false (in this matter, at least). Maybe this thread will be an impetus for members to investigate and set the record straight. Intention is important and I'm sure no members are intentionally lying. I also trust that all members are willing to stand corrected in the face of new evidence (or lack of evidence).

I'm not going to introduce a rule to stop members voicing criticism of toys, companies, even of other members: so long as it is done respectfully (and there's room for improvement there) and doesn't break any forum rules (or laws), everyone is entitled to their opinion. That freedom is what makes interesting discussions like the one in this thread possible.

Thank you for your reply. I hope this discussion was the refreshing thunderstorm this forum might have needed. Libraraptor´s post proves that it is indeed possible to voice a dislike for Schleich in a nuanced and fact-based way. I just want to add that it was never my intention to single out specific members in a negative way. Over time certain companies, topics or franchises have just developed into this forum´s punching balls and I truly believe we all have a hand in that. I think if we all at least try to be aware of the biases we have, this forum can only benefit.

[SidB]

Schleich,  like LEGO, has become very big and thus arrogant and ignorant. It is the faith of every system.  It is the faith of every brand,  no matter it had initially been founded for good purposes. 
I personally do not like the fact that no matter where I go in retail here Germany I don't have the freedom to decide. There simply IS no other brand on the shelves. Customers are being committed to a monopolist, and that is what I hate. Plus I suppose they buy positive reviews on Amazon. The whole appearance and diction of many of the positive reviews appears to me as predominantly unnatural.
I don't hate or bash Schleich but partly due to what I wrote so far and Party because of clerks at retailers tell me between the lines when I ask them for Schleichs  behaviour of their  sales representatives I decided to regard them rather suspiciously and alertly.
This doesn't mean I don't allow myself to like some of their figures very much.

Agreed. I'm confident that virtually any organizational entity whatsoever, anywhere, with any degree of integrity and/ or good will can and does generate a mission statement or its equivalent at its inception. The difficulties arise gradually as the entity increases in influence, capacity and power. The mission statement becomes an outer layer or meaning, but within, something less savory grows, an inner layer or meaning and this is, if not effectively concealed, shows itself as the behavior described above. Scheich's misdemeanors (relatively speaking) are small potatoes compared with that of greater powers : governments, militarism, economic systems, ideologies, religious potencies, etc. The list is as endless as the human capacity to project onto a bigger canvas its inner desires for power, control, dominance. That's a far cry from its original "mission statement." It takes good people to keep an organization, including our little crafters and distributors of paleontological products, on course and faithful to the original intent of sharing the delight of subcreation with others (with an honest profit included).

P.S. I too have a healthy collection of Schleich paleocreatures and am always ready to get the occasional new one that is faithful to the best of what they have made in the past.

[japfeif]

Has anyone actually examined any of these new guys in hand? I finally saw a couple today....at our local Tractor Supply (which also keep s steady supply of Schelich animals & dinosaurs), they had the new Baryonyx, Ankylosaurus, & Cryolophosaurus. Truthfully, although none are great, in hand they are not as bad as they looked (at least to me) in the pics. The Anky actually looks decent, the Baryonyx isn't as bad as expected (the ones I saw even had a far less sloppy paint job that the second batch of pics showed it to have...it looked somewhere between the original promo pic and those later pics someone posted). The Cryo was as scientifically innacurate as expected but even this one didn't look all bad....it was a fairly nice piece that at least blows away the recent Acrocanthosaurus.
None were great, but just did not look as bad as they did in the pictures. Now, I'm sure some of you guys have them by now and YMMV. Still not gonna get them probably, but they just did not leave as bad a taste in my mouth as I thought they might.

[austrosaurus]

Has anyone actually examined any of these new guys in hand? I finally saw a couple today....at our local Tractor Supply (which also keep s steady supply of Schelich animals & dinosaurs), they had the new Baryonyx, Ankylosaurus, & Cryolophosaurus. Truthfully, although none are great, in hand they are not as bad as they looked (at least to me) in the pics. The Anky actually looks decent, the Baryonyx isn't as bad as expected (the ones I saw even had a far less sloppy paint job that the second batch of pics showed it to have...it looked somewhere between the original promo pic and those later pics someone posted). The Cryo was as scientifically innacurate as expected but even this one didn't look all bad....it was a fairly nice piece that at least blows away the recent Acrocanthosaurus.
None were great, but just did not look as bad as they did in the pictures. Now, I'm sure some of you guys have them by now and YMMV. Still not gonna get them probably, but they just did not leave as bad a taste in my mouth as I thought they might.

I've seen the Postosuchus, Baryonyx & Cryolophosaurus, and like you said they look a lot better in person, as a lot of the more recent Schleichs tend to do. They still aren't good by any stretch.

[Shonisaurus]

Schleich's Augustine I know is not a great figure but the body sculpture is fine and the head in proportion to its size is proportionate. On the other hand, the ankylosaurus is a pretty figure but I keep its predecessors Saichania de Schleich from the Humbold Museum in Berlin.

Cryolophosaurus is not a scientific figure but it is interesting despite everything, I really like the baryonyx and the same I can say about the postosuchus perhaps without those bulging eyes and without that articulated jaw it would match in genius its Schleich dinogorgon counterpart.

[Sarapaurolophus]

All baryonyx I have seen in stores so far had major paint issues. Not too much of a problem for me as I like to repaint but what kills the figure for me are the - once again - completely dull teeth. I understand making teeth a little rounder so really small kids can't hurt themselves but so many Schleich meat/fisheaters have teeth you'd expect on a human and that makes Bary look really goofy and horsefaced, imo.

[SidB]

All baryonyx I have seen in stores so far had major paint issues. Not too much of a problem for me as I like to repaint but what kills the figure for me are the - once again - completely dull teeth. I understand making teeth a little rounder so really small kids can't hurt themselves but so many Schleich meat/fisheaters have teeth you'd expect on a human and that makes Bary look really goofy and horsefaced, imo.

I managed to successfully sharpen the teeth on the otherwise very commendable Spinosaurus, which I presumed was a Vlad Constantinov creation. The teeth were really a spoiler, but with scalpel and file, presto, not a bad result. But I think that some of these theropods of Scheich won't lend themselves so readily to this cure.

[austrosaurus]

All baryonyx I have seen in stores so far had major paint issues. Not too much of a problem for me as I like to repaint but what kills the figure for me are the - once again - completely dull teeth. I understand making teeth a little rounder so really small kids can't hurt themselves but so many Schleich meat/fisheaters have teeth you'd expect on a human and that makes Bary look really goofy and horsefaced, imo.

I managed to successfully sharpen the teeth on the otherwise very commendable Spinosaurus, which I presumed was a Vlad Constantinov creation. The teeth were really a spoiler, but with scalpel and file, presto, not a bad result. But I think that some of these theropods of Scheich won't lend themselves so readily to this cure.

A lot of them have the teeth molded into one contiguous "block", so separating them and filing them would almost guarantee ruining the model unfortunately.

[Sarapaurolophus]

S @SidB That sounds like a great effort! Do you have pictures? I am trying to do that on the Tawa right now. Just really demotivated because it's such a fiddly endeavor.

[SidB]

S @SidB That sounds like a great effort! Do you have pictures? I am trying to do that on the Tawa right now. Just really demotivated because it's such a fiddly endeavor.

Yes, you are right, it is a fiddly job. I'd say that one has to be in that mood, really detail oriented, not necessarily obsessive compulsive, fortunately. I'll see if I can get my Spinosaurus out of the storage for you and post the picture. The teeth are now pointed, though not needle-shaped, like the PNSO Spino, for example.

[SidB]

S @SidB That sounds like a great effort! Do you have pictures? I am trying to do that on the Tawa right now. Just really demotivated because it's such a fiddly endeavor.

Yes, you are right, it is a fiddly job. I'd say that one has to be in that mood, really detail oriented, not necessarily obsessive compulsive, fortunately. I'll see if I can get my Spinosaurus out of the storage for you and post the picture. The teeth are now pointed, though not needle-shaped, like the PNSO Spino, for example.

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Sorry, the images are a bit blurry, which makes the teeth look less precise than they actually are. Mind you, I wasn't trying to get them pinpoint sharp, just to to remove the extreme bluntness. You'll get the idea. I also "bloodied" them to defeat the excessive whiteness. If I get in the mood, I might go back and sharpen them further.

[Shonisaurus]

Despite the blurred images, it can be perceived with the new aspect that you have given to the Schleich spinosaurus with regard to teeth, much more realism. It is a beautiful work of crafts. I congratulate you.

Those blood-reddish tints on the teeth make it look fiercer.

[SidB]

Yes, the bloodiness of its dentition works for me too, in part because it blends so well with the reddish flush on the adjacent dermal areas of the upper jaw and latero-temporal portion of the skull. Not a lot of work, but it makes a very good figure somewhat better.