2013 Figures

[tyrantqueen]

Actually, Carnotaurus was recently noted for its incredible leg power. I'm more distracted by the twisting of the ankle, even as I struggle to forget this whole thing is a copycat of a much better sculpt.

So..? Toy companies rip each other off all the time. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but in this kind of competitive market, nothing is sacred.

And really, it's a good thing that they're copying Sideshow. Sideshow's pieces are always accurate and beautiful. I could never afford a Sideshow piece but now I can kind of get something that is inspired by it, which is good enough for me

[Gwangi]

And really, it's a good thing that they're copying Sideshow. Sideshow's pieces are always accurate and beautiful. I could never afford a Sideshow piece but now I can kind of get something that is inspired by it, which is good enough for me

Ditto 

[Brontozaurus]

And really, it's a good thing that they're copying Sideshow. Sideshow's pieces are always accurate and beautiful. I could never afford a Sideshow piece but now I can kind of get something that is inspired by it, which is good enough for me

Exactly what I was going to say.

[Dan]

As a consumer, it may seem like a good thing, to get a higher quality model. There are other perspectives to consider, though. The artist who worked tirelessly to create the original model would likely be unhappy to learn that a mass manufacturer simply copied his work without permission or compensation. In this instance, it is Adrian Taboada. http://adriantaboada.blogspot.com/2010/12/carnotaurus-maquette.html I am not saying that it is wrong to want the Papo piece, but I do feel the artist deserves our respect.

[suspsy]

That Carnotaurus rocks. I can't wait to get it. I'll have him facing off against Papo Euoplocephalus.

[Takama]

As a consumer, it may seem like a good thing, to get a higher quality model. There are other perspectives to consider, though. The artist who worked tirelessly to create the original model would likely be unhappy to learn that a mass manufacturer simply copied his work without permission or compensation. In this instance, it is Adrian Taboada. http://adriantaboada.blogspot.com/2010/12/carnotaurus-maquette.html I am not saying that it is wrong to want the Papo piece, but I do feel the artist deserves our respect.

Well, it should be noted that Papo is known for ripping off other people as well.

Stan Winston Studios

David Krentz(The Pachyrhinosaurus is based on the one from Dinosaur, and the Styrachosaurus is another Sideshow ripoff)

Todd Marshall

[sauroid]

i dont think it is an exact copy of Sideshow Carno. they just have the same pose. inspired maybe, but not a total ripoff.

[Simon]

You can't copyright a dinosaur pose.  This is not a copy in the legally actionable sense (as a recast would be).  Yes, obviously the Papo sculptor was told to use the larger model as a guide.  They liked the pose, so he pretty much copied it (with some notable differences).

However, it is not a "rip-off" in any sense of the word.  The Papo model does not compete in the same market as the resin piece.  It is a toy, selling for 1/10 what the big one sells for, to a completely different demographic (ie kids).

The manufacturer of the big resin is not out a single dime as a result of the Papo Carnotaurus.  Therefore , it is not a ripoff.

And the sculptor of the resin model should feel complimented - after all, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

I think that most of us around here would agree that the pose is very cool.

[tyrantqueen]

The artist who worked tirelessly to create the original model would likely be unhappy to learn that a mass manufacturer simply copied his work without permission or compensation.

They haven't copied anything. It's influenced by SS, yes, very strongly. Like Simon said, you can't copyright a pose.
I bet Adrian Taboada got paid a ton more for his work than Woon did.

Also, SS are not the only victims. Schleich copied plenty of other companies (Papo, Toyway) with their dinos, but I don't see you getting upset over that.
What about the original sculptor of the stuttgart museum whose models were copied by Bullyland?

[postsaurischian]

Well said, Simon. Not a rip-off at all. I just ordered me one .
Still I end up buying every new Papo release although I don't like them in the first place . They have something special.

I still don't see the "obvious" similarities between the Papo and the Sideshow Styracosaurus .
To me the design is very different. To copy a Krentz you have to have some special abilities .

[tyrantqueen]

Well said, Simon. Not a rip-off at all. I just ordered me one .
Still I end up buying every new Papo release although I don't like them in the first place . They have something special.

I still don't see the "obvious" similarities between the Papo and the Sideshow Styracosaurus .
To me the design is very different. To copy a Krentz you have to have some special abilities .

I don't understand, why buy something you don't like? I'm not trying to attack you, just confused Or are you joking?

[Simon]

I think what Postsaurichian meant was that, although many of the Papo pieces are scientifically inaccurate (with the Styracosaurus and the sister piece - that flat nosed one - being the exception), as works of art with great detail they are pleasing to the eye nonetheless.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Adrian thinks of this more as a tribute piece to his sculpture so all is good there. 

I thought of another good idea for this guy. Say your kids want to play with your Sideshow statue..easy replacement.

[Dan]

Adrian thinks of this more as a tribute piece to his sculpture so all is good there. 

I'm glad to hear he's taken a positive view of it. Thank you for being the first person to address the issue I was contemplating. lol

Now to keep this thread on track, here is the US ETA schedule for Papo 2013, which was also added to the front page.

March:
Carnotaurus
Woolly Rhino
July:
Dimetrodon

As always, please note the Papo release schedule is prone to delays.

[postsaurischian]

I think what Postsaurichian meant was that, although many of the Papo pieces are scientifically inaccurate (with the Styracosaurus and the sister piece - that flat nosed one - being the exception), as works of art with great detail they are pleasing to the eye nonetheless.

Exactly!

English is not my mother language. This might lead to confusion sometimes .
I would never buy something I don't like.

[SBell]

The artist who worked tirelessly to create the original model would likely be unhappy to learn that a mass manufacturer simply copied his work without permission or compensation.

They haven't copied anything. It's influenced by SS, yes, very strongly. Like Simon said, you can't copyright a pose.
I bet Adrian Taboada got paid a ton more for his work than Woon did.

Also, SS are not the only victims. Schleich copied plenty of other companies (Papo, Toyway) with their dinos, but I don't see you getting upset over that.
What about the original sculptor of the stuttgart museum whose models were copied by Bullyland?

To be fair, Bullyland was working with the Stuttgart museum, so very likely they were encouraged or even expected to make toy versions. Just as they did with the Korbach Procynosuchus (which, based on the postcard, is a near-perfect miniature of the museum model).

[juju1305]

The artist who worked tirelessly to create the original model would likely be unhappy to learn that a mass manufacturer simply copied his work without permission or compensation.

They haven't copied anything. It's influenced by SS, yes, very strongly. Like Simon said, you can't copyright a pose.
I bet Adrian Taboada got paid a ton more for his work than Woon did.

Also, SS are not the only victims. Schleich copied plenty of other companies (Papo, Toyway) with their dinos, but I don't see you getting upset over that.
What about the original sculptor of the stuttgart museum whose models were copied by Bullyland?

To be fair, Bullyland was working with the Stuttgart museum, so very likely they were encouraged or even expected to make toy versions. Just as they did with the Korbach Procynosuchus (which, based on the postcard, is a near-perfect miniature of the museum model).

you're right. And the same applies to other figures in their (current or past) range: batrachotomus, liliensternus, arizonasaurus, deinotherium

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Adrian thinks of this more as a tribute piece to his sculpture so all is good there. 

I'm glad to hear he's taken a positive view of it. Thank you for being the first person to address the issue I was contemplating. lol

Now to keep this thread on track, here is the US ETA schedule for Papo 2013, which was also added to the front page.

March:
Carnotaurus
Woolly Rhino
July:
Dimetrodon

As always, please note the Papo release schedule is prone to delays.

Heh, yeah he says wants it himself and all the others in the line.. lol

Is that a U.S. release schedule ?  I wonder because it seemed the Carno was already being sold somewhere wasn't it ?

[tanystropheus]

I hope that the Carnotaurus is similar in size to the Papo Allosaurus.

[anchry6]

I hope that the Carnotaurus is similar in size to the Papo Allosaurus.

Yes, it's.

Dimensions of Allosaurus figure:
26 cm long
10.5 cm high

Dimensions of the dinosaur figure:
18.5 cm long
11 cm high (tail)



Well .. they heard even on this ...