Safari Ltd Ammonite Species

[Python]

Does anybody know what species the Safari Ltd Ammonite is?



The fossil Ammonite is Peltoceratoides in the Ancient Fossils Tube. I'm asking about the big Ammonite.

[Stuckasaurus (Dino Dad Reviews)]

Does anybody know what species the Safari Ltd Ammonite is?



The fossil Ammonite is Peltoceratoides in the Ancient Fossils Tube. I'm asking about the big Ammonite.

The review on the main Dino Toy Blog suggests that it belongs to a species in the genus Pleuroceras, in which case the toy is more or less life-sized!
It does seem slightly more knobby than the fossil pictures I can find though, so it's possible the review isn't quite right. I imagine it would be closely related though.
http://dinotoyblog.com/2016/07/08/ammonite-wild-safari/

[Halichoeres]

I once tried to figure it out, but ammonite taxonomy relies in large part on traits that aren't observable in a life reconstruction. I think it's safe to say it isn't Pleuroceras, though.

[Gwangi]

Wasn't it sculpted by @Doug Watson ? Maybe he can offer some insight?

[Doug Watson]

Wasn't it sculpted by @Doug Watson ? Maybe he can offer some insight?

Not mine sorry.

[Python]

I just emailed Safari and they said it was based off Pleuroceras, although it doesn't resemble Pleuroceras. The mystery continues

[stargatedalek]

Could it be Eugassiceras? The spines are a bit more exaggerated on the figure, it's probably be a better match for the Bullyland ammonite, but it's certainly closer than Pleuroceras.

[Python]

It's certainly a possibility. Udo savalli identified Bullyland's white And yellow ammonite as Pleydellia (one of the main reasons i bought a knock off of the bullyland ammonite) but you can tell he hasn't updated it in a while, since it doesn't include Collecta's Pleuroceras or Pravitoceras. I might buy the brown ammonite to represent Eugassiceras if we find a better species for the Safari version. I usually don't like stand-ins in my collection, but since a majority of ammonite figures are incertae sedis, I'm okay with that here.

[Stuckasaurus (Dino Dad Reviews)]

It's certainly a possibility. Udo savalli identified Bullyland's white And yellow ammonite as Pleydellia (one of the main reasons i bought a knock off of the bullyland ammonite) but you can tell he hasn't updated it in a while, since it doesn't include Collecta's Pleuroceras or Pravitoceras. I might buy the brown ammonite to represent Eugassiceras if we find a better species for the Safari version. I usually don't like stand-ins in my collection, but since a majority of ammonite figures are incertae sedis, I'm okay with that here.

Whoa, I've never even heard of half of these figures.
I had no idea there were this many ammonite models, even if many of them are (as I assume) rather obscure.

[Python]

A lot of those are shapeways models, but the others are by Collecta and Kaiyodo with a Couple bullylands

[stargatedalek]

I don't buy the larger Bullyland ammonite as Pleuroceras any more than the Safari, same sort of spines while the real thing is lacking them.

[ZoPteryx]

Could it be Hoplites dentatus?

[John]

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[Python]

Could it be Hoplites dentatus?

It looks more like the Safari figure than Pleuroceras does, and it also has similar spines. This might be the id unless somebody can think of a species that resembles it better. It still wouldn't be as good as confirmation from the sculptor, but judging from the response I got from Safari (they said it was Pleuroceras, but it's too spiky), I don't think confirmation is likely 

[Stuckasaurus (Dino Dad Reviews)]

Could it be Hoplites dentatus?

It looks more like the Safari figure than Pleuroceras does, and it also has similar spines. This might be the id unless somebody can think of a species that resembles it better. It still wouldn't be as good as confirmation from the sculptor, but judging from the response I got from Safari (they said it was Pleuroceras, but it's too spiky), I don't think confirmation is likely

Oooh, I like that I.D. - It seems like a good match for what we have.
Unless we get an actual ammonite expert in here to tell us otherwise, this is now my headcanon for the species represented by the Safari model, regardless of whether Safari themselves describe it as Pleuroceras.

[stargatedalek]

Hoplites looks like the better option, the spines are more distinct (thought still not quite as dramatic as the Safari).

Hard to find images of Eugassiceras, but you can see here the spines are a lot more reduced, similar to the Bullyland figure.

[Python]

So it looks like we've done a good job. Just to recap..

Safari Ammonite = Hoplites

Bullyland Ammontite (White) = Pleydellia (thanks to Udo Savalli)

Bullyland Ammonite (Brown) = Eugassiceras