HAOLONGGOOD - New for 2024

[dinofelid]

According to DinosDragons it's 1:33 scale so it's no big deal.

DinosDragons bases that on a length estimate of 5.5 meters, but I measure the centrum length along the spine for the PNSO Styracosaurus as around 19.5 cm which would be 6.4 m at 1:33, if you just measure it horizontally (excluding the horn) it's more like 16.5 cm which would be 5.4 m at 1:33, so I guess he was assuming a horizontal measurement? Usually with fossils the quoted lengths are centrum lengths but the size diagrams on both the wikipedia article and prehistoric-wildlife.com suggest the artists were interpreting the quoted lengths as horizontal (possibly including the horn in the case of wikipedia), I'm not sure if we can trust the artists did the proper research before making that assumption though. Does anyone know of a scientific source that gives either a full length estimate, or a measurement for specific bones like the femur or skull?

[Concavenator]

V @vampiredesign @HaoLongGood_Elsa My two cents:

- I think it's unfortunate that the Huayangosaurus is exclusively sold as a bonus (and I must say, based on the pics, that it's absolutely delightful). If you were planning on doing that from the beginning, I think it would've been better not to include it in the teaser with the other, individually-sold, species. Because, being exclusively sold with the Argentinosaurus (and for a limited time at that, if I'm remembering right), there is both a sense of loss and a sense of "paywalled", there were people interested in getting that very figure.

Hadn't the Huayangosaurus been included in the teaser, there would have been no sense of loss, as we wouldn't even have become aware there was going to be one to begin with. That way, it could've been perceived as the "extra" you were intending it to be, because it'd been unexpected. There would have still been people asking for it to be individually released (which I understand), but again, the feeling of loss wouldn't be there. Please, consider not doing this again in the future. You'd be playing with my feelings if you announced a Kentrosaurus only for it to be paywalled behind some giant sauropod I'm personally not interested in. 

- On the matter of pricing for a figure like the Huayangosaurus being individually sold, here's what I think, as a customer. Personally, I wouldn't feel scammed paying the same for a Huayangosaurus or Kentrosaurus than I did for the Chasmosaurus and Diabloceratops.

They're affordable figures after all. Yes, they may be small (your small ceratopsids like the aforementioned ones are also pretty small in size), but the quality on those figures is surprisingly high considering their small sizes. So the same price (or a similar one) would be plenty fair if you ask me.

Further, all the people that have requested the Huayangosaurus being an individual release, and all the people that have been requesting a Kentrosaurus, while being fully aware of the small size the figure would have in 1:35 (but again, just like your small ceratopsids, which are sold individually), is giving off the message that we, as customers, would love to see those animals from you guys, that we're well aware of the small sizes the figures would have and that we're ready to vote with our wallets (which is why we're asking for them to begin with).

Hopefully you find these thoughts helpful, and I would also like to congratulate the Haolonggood team for their commendable work. 

BTW, I'm very much looking forward to seeing pics of the expo! 

I hope they release Styracosaurus in november. I want to compare with pnso before i make a decision.

You're not alone, I'm looking forward to that as well, but because I'm confident it will replace the PNSO in my collection.

[Faelrin]

@Concavenator would you be okay with my suggestion I posted earlier (like a page or so back) about Giraffatitan and Kentrosaurus or is that still not preferred?

I fully agree with you on this Huayangosaurus. I was fully looking forward to it when it was revealed in that new for 2024 poster, only to have my dreams dashed because of it being a pre-order exclusive for a very pricy (understandably) figure.

If they don't want to re-release this particular mold, perhaps they could do a new one released with like Chungkingosaurus, Tuojiangosaurus, and/or Gigantspinosaurus. I'd gladly get a set of those Chinese stegosaurs.

[CarnotaurusKing]

If they don't want to re-release this particular mold, perhaps they could do a new one released with like Chungkingosaurus, Tuojiangosaurus, and/or Gigantspinosaurus. I'd gladly get a set of those Chinese stegosaurs.

The Skeleton Crew's worst nightmare.

Jokes aside, this would be a really good idea. Not sure about the production constraints involved, but I'd love boxsets of smaller critters. Small ornithischians (Dryosaurus, Thescelosaurus, Rhabdodon, etc), Triassic carnivores (Herrerasaurus, Coelophysis, Zupaysaurus, etc), could even branch out to non-dinosaurs, like pseudosuchians.

[Concavenator]

@Concavenator would you be okay with my suggestion I posted earlier (like a page or so back) about Giraffatitan and Kentrosaurus or is that still not preferred?

If it was being exclusively sold as an extra to an hypothetical Giraffatitan, personally, I'd be disappointed, because I'm not interested in getting a Giraffatitan, so it'd be another "paywall" situation.

Perhaps what they could do is offer the Kentrosaurus for individual sale, as a regular figure, and have it as a free extra for a Giraffatitan as well, perhaps in a different color scheme to differentiate it from the regular releases.

I would see that as a win-win situation: the people who only want to get the Kentrosaurus would be able to get it, and the people who are interested in the Giraffatitan would be receiving a finished figure of a (well-known and desired) species that coexisted with it, and both being in the same scale. And if a preorder-exclusive version of a Kentrosaurus is included à la Huayangosaurus, the people who preorder the Giraffatitan will surely end up being more satisfied with the purchase, as not only would they be receiving a "limited edition" item, but if they were people who were also asking for a Kentrosaurus (they may as well be, I've lost track of how many requests for it there are!) they'd be able to get it without having to pay for the individual figure. And worth mentioning that, for the aforementioned reasons, a Kentrosaurus would be perceived as a more reasonable extra for a Giraffatitan than a Huayangosaurus is for an Argentinosaurus.

[Sim]

The PNSO Styracosaurus isn't oversized as no scale is given for figures of its line and there's no requirement that figures should be in 1:35 scale.

Your hair splitting is going overboard now. It is widely accepted and generally assumed that PNSO figures are supposed to be 1:35 scale with the exception of some of their sauropods. Well established review channels like Dinos and Dragons discuss the PNSO figures in general based on this. So what do you want to say here?

I don't believe I've done hair splitting.  You might want to consider whether you're doing that yourself.  There's a number of PNSO figures that aren't 1:35 scale such as their Dakosaurus, Atopodentatus, Tuojiangosaurus, Mapusaurus, Lythronax...  PNSO does tend to make figures in 1:35 scale but unlike their museum series where they specify that, they don't in their prehistoric animal models line so it seems a bit weird to call a figure in that line oversized when PNSO has never claimed it or any other figure in the line is 1:35 scale.  For the record I think there might be a somewhat toxic expectation that prehistoric animal figures should be in a specific scale in the fan community..

[Faelrin]

C @CarnotaurusKing Lol I watch them and know what you are referring too.

@Concavenator I appreciate you sharing your perspective. I think having it separate would be ideal for most folks for your reason, but I like your idea of having one offered with it (and my previous idea). I'd like to have figures of both together since they are from the same formation. Was just trying to think of how they could get it out there, since prior to the ceratopsians (although I think Kentrosaurus is smaller then them right?), since they didn't they have reasons for why they wouldn't make it on its own?

I wouldn't want anything (different animal) like the Huayangosaurus to be limited edition again (unless its just a different paint scheme, like they have done in the past for some figures).

[thomasw100]

The PNSO Styracosaurus isn't oversized as no scale is given for figures of its line and there's no requirement that figures should be in 1:35 scale.

Your hair splitting is going overboard now. It is widely accepted and generally assumed that PNSO figures are supposed to be 1:35 scale with the exception of some of their sauropods. Well established review channels like Dinos and Dragons discuss the PNSO figures in general based on this. So what do you want to say here?

I don't believe I've done hair splitting.  You might want to consider whether you're doing that yourself.  There's a number of PNSO figures that aren't 1:35 scale such as their Dakosaurus, Atopodentatus, Tuojiangosaurus, Mapusaurus, Lythronax...  PNSO does tend to make figures in 1:35 scale but unlike their museum series where they specify that, they don't in their prehistoric animal models line so it seems a bit weird to call a figure in that line oversized when PNSO has never claimed it or any other figure in the line is 1:35 scale.  For the record I think there might be a somewhat toxic expectation that prehistoric animal figures should be in a specific scale in the fan community..

What is your issue? I am certainly not the only person who kind of works on the loose assumption that PNSO models are approximately in 1:35 scale. PNSO explicitly states that for the museum line models and people assume that this also applies to the figures of the standard line. And as said before some well established reviewers like Dinos Dragons seem to work based on that assumption as well.

Maybe this is correct, maybe it is not. Depending on the often variable size estimates for many species, the PNSO models sometimes fit in 1:35 scale, sometimes they do not. Some people like their figures to be in approximately the same scale, some not. Some people are happy about the large Haolonggood sauropods in 1:35 scale, some not. All of them have their good reasons for their preferences.

It should be possible to have any of these opinions or preferences without being constantly criticized on a somewhat personal level and now even been given offensive attributes like weird or toxic. This has been going on for a while now and I am getting tired of it.

[Ajax88]

According to DinosDragons it's 1:33 scale so it's no big deal.

DinosDragons bases that on a length estimate of 5.5 meters, but I measure the centrum length along the spine for the PNSO Styracosaurus as around 19.5 cm which would be 6.4 m at 1:33, if you just measure it horizontally (excluding the horn) it's more like 16.5 cm which would be 5.4 m at 1:33, so I guess he was assuming a horizontal measurement? Usually with fossils the quoted lengths are centrum lengths but the size diagrams on both the wikipedia article and prehistoric-wildlife.com suggest the artists were interpreting the quoted lengths as horizontal (possibly including the horn in the case of wikipedia), I'm not sure if we can trust the artists did the proper research before making that assumption though. Does anyone know of a scientific source that gives either a full length estimate, or a measurement for specific bones like the femur or skull?

The holotype skull is 1.84 meters long from tip of beak to the end of longest frill spine. Without keratin sheath of course.

[dinofelid]

According to DinosDragons it's 1:33 scale so it's no big deal.

DinosDragons bases that on a length estimate of 5.5 meters, but I measure the centrum length along the spine for the PNSO Styracosaurus as around 19.5 cm which would be 6.4 m at 1:33, if you just measure it horizontally (excluding the horn) it's more like 16.5 cm which would be 5.4 m at 1:33, so I guess he was assuming a horizontal measurement? Usually with fossils the quoted lengths are centrum lengths but the size diagrams on both the wikipedia article and prehistoric-wildlife.com suggest the artists were interpreting the quoted lengths as horizontal (possibly including the horn in the case of wikipedia), I'm not sure if we can trust the artists did the proper research before making that assumption though. Does anyone know of a scientific source that gives either a full length estimate, or a measurement for specific bones like the femur or skull?

The holotype skull is 1.84 meters long from tip of beak to the end of longest frill spine. Without keratin sheath of course.

Thanks, is that the holotype for Styracosaurus albertensis or one of the other species? PNSO model is about 8.5 cm from tip of beak to longest frill spine though I guess one would have to measure the ratio of the spine to the rest of the skull to see how much keratin the artist was imagining. The smaller Battat model is about 7 cm for the same measurement. I see the wiki article also mentions a hip height of 1.65 cm for S. albertensis referencing the science-focused book The Horned Dinosaurs: A Natural History by Peter Dodson, I looked up the reference on p. 167 which says this about the type skeleton for S. albertensis:

Dale Russell kindly supplied me with measurements of the skeleton. The lengths of the femur and tibia, 83 cm and 61 cm respectively, suggest that Styracosaurus was a little larger than the Centrosaurus skeletons in New York and New Haven. It was perhaps 5.5-5.8 m in total length and 1.65 m high at the hips.

The next paragraph also mentions the Styracosaurus parki fossil that's displayed as a panel mount at the American Museum of Natural History and says:

The skeleton is restored as a fine specimen, some 5.4 m (17.6 ft) long and perhaps 1.75 m (5.75 ft) at the hips. The skull is very impressive. The problem is that there is too much plaster; little of the skull is real. As was the style in those days, the exhibit fails to show the distinction between plaster and bone, and the investigating scientist today can have little confidence in what he or she sees.

Either way, a hip height of between 1.65 and 1.75 m would suggest the wikipedia size diagram is more accurate than the prehistoric wildlife one, and for wikipedia the horizontal length from beak to the end of the tail looks to be around 4.8 m. I tried to measure different features for both models and they mostly seem consistent with PNSO being in the 1:25-1:30 range while Battat is in the 1:35-1:40 range

PNSO
hip height: 6.3 cm
femur: 3.5 cm
centrum length: 19.5 cm
horizontal length beak to tail: 16.5 cm

Battat
hip height: 4.7 cm
femur: 2.5 cm
centrum length: 14 cm
horizontal: 12.5 cm

So, if Haolonggood does an accurate 1:35 scale model it should be closer to the Battat model's size, but maybe a bit larger.

[Sim]

What is your issue? I am certainly not the only person who kind of works on the loose assumption that PNSO models are approximately in 1:35 scale. PNSO explicitly states that for the museum line models and people assume that this also applies to the figures of the standard line. And as said before some well established reviewers like Dinos Dragons seem to work based on that assumption as well.

I think it's relevant that PNSO doesn't give a scale for their standard line. If it was meant to be another 1:35 line, why did they not advertise it as such?  We work with facts, not assumptions.  People can choose to believe what they want about the standard line, but the facts are that there's a number of figures in that line that aren't 1:35 scale, and PNSO has never given a scale for that line.  I feel like I'm repeating myself here.  I can agree to disagree with you on whether some figures in PNSO's standard line are oversized (or undersized like those smaller figures of e.g. Gigantoraptor).

It should be possible to have any of these opinions or preferences without being constantly criticized on a somewhat personal level and now even been given offensive attributes like weird or toxic. This has been going on for a while now and I am getting tired of it.

I'm sorry you're experiencing it in this way, it's not my intention.  If it was I wouldn't have told you and translated for you that information about the new Brachiosaurus specimen.  I don't agree what I've said is offensive.  I think it is strange to judge a figure on a scale that was never given and that shouldn't be assumed, as I described above.  When the figure is criticised for that reason, I do feel a need to defend it and the company responsible for it as I don't think they deserve the criticism.  That is my issue.  As for being toxic, I guess I'm mainly thinking about that guy on Facebook who keeps criticising figures if they're not in 1:35 scale.  I don't believe "This has been going on for a while now", but I understand you're not getting on with me since a while.  Again I really don't mean to upset you, I didn't think the comment regarding the PNSO Styracosaurus would escalate.  Perhaps we can try to get on instead through a shared love for dinosaurs and sauropods in particular?

[Concavenator]

Was just trying to think of how they could get it out there, since prior to the ceratopsians (although I think Kentrosaurus is smaller then them right?), since they didn't they have reasons for why they wouldn't make it on its own?

Kentrosaurus might be smaller by mass, but not necessarily by length.



Kentrosaurus by Teratophoneus.



Diabloceratops by Falcon9.

V @vampiredesign said:

I understand everyone's feelings, and I will negotiate with the company. The current plan is unlikely to change. But I will try some methods and I hope everyone understands. Mainly because it is too small and the price is not easy to determine.

I find it odd that the Huayangosaurus is considered "too small" but not the Chasmosaurus, Diabloceratops or Kosmoceratops, those ceratopsids are tiny.

And it's not like those ceratopsids are going to tower over the Huayangosaurus, that is to say, that I don't think the size differences are such that ones can be sold individually but not the other (hey it's not like we're talking about a 1:35 Velociraptor). And that's why I said, that I, as a customer, would find a price tag like the one for those ceratopsids to be reasonable for the Huayangosaurus, seeing as they appear to be comparable in size and quality. That goes in response to V @vampiredesign 's concern about how to price such a figure.

And Kentrosaurus is even a bit longer than Huayangosaurus, as apparently Huayangosaurus was about 4 m long.

I'm really not seeing where's the issue with a 1:35 Kentrosaurus. Plus, it's such a requested species for them that if they end up releasing one it would sell like hot cakes. Might as well be one of their bestsellers.

[Turkeysaurus]

Alamosaurus had a base. Argentinosaurus has Huayangosaurus. I don't believe the too small to sell excuse.

[DefinitelyNOTDilo]

Also worth noting that while the base wasn't sold separately many Aliexpress stores sold it on its own, I wouldn't be surprised if the same happened with Huayango.

[Flaffy]

Definitely a centerpiece in anyones collection. Though this collector is certainly braver than I by having it on the top shelf

[BlueKrono]

Wouldn't fit on any other shelf!

[Flaffy]

001 Purple Version in-hand pics

[Rayeknor]

I can tell the lighting is terribly yellow in those last photos since I own a couple figures there myself, but that seems like a different (worse) color scheme then what was seen before for this version, I have never seen green turn that yellow in lamp light before.

Reminder of product people bought:

[thomasw100]

Alamosaurus had a base. Argentinosaurus has Huayangosaurus. I don't believe the too small to sell excuse.

I do also find it likely that they wanted to include an attractive item along with the Argentinosaurus in order to boost their pre-sale.

[thomasw100]

Definitely a centerpiece in anyones collection. Though this collector is certainly braver than I by having it on the top shelf

Looks indeed very impressive. I must admit though that I do also place my large sauropods on the top shelf for the simple reason that they do not fit into any of the others.