Haolonggood - New for 2025

[Carnoking]

The in stock photos shared by Lana are definitely selling me on this model. Even with some unfortunate design choices, it's too much of an eye catcher for me to dismiss

[SidB]

The decision to buy it sits in the balance between the negative ( gap in jaws when closed, no lips, scales somewhat too large) and the positive ( otherwise high production values and the astonishingly terrific paint work). I'm thinking that the latter will eventually win out for me.

[thomasw100]

The price is so low even i might able order one day if it gets a few euros more discount.

Would it be a possibility that someone buys this for you, takes it out of the box, and then sends it to you as a gift with a declared value of lets say 25 Euros because it is technically used and lacks the original packaging?

[suspsy]

I mean, Ceratopsians almost entirely get collected for their different heads (since most of them look damn near identical postcranially), whereas Theropods mostly have distinct bodies. Size, maybe, too, but Triceratops as a genus is an upwards outlier there that only Torosaurus and Titanoceratops/Pentaceratops really compete with. If T.rex had horns and a frill, their length and shape would certainly work to differentiate it in a noteworthy fashion from other Theropods that also had horns and a frill, but Theropods don't have frills, and T.rex doesn't have horns.

T. rex's head, torso, and tail are very distinct from any other theropod of similar size. Especially when viewed from the front or above. It's much easier to tell apart T. rex and Giganotosaurus than it is to tell apart Triceratops and Torosaurus.

But I dunno, I guess you do have the point that I might similarly get sick of Triceratops if it was so overportrayed. Guess if that happens, make sure to remind me of this thread if you catch me complaining so I can officially admit to eating crow, I guess.

Triceratops already is "overportrayed." It has the most reviews of any species on the DTB after T. rex. Literally every single company has made a Triceratops toy, and most have made multiple ones. Better grab a napkin.

And I dunno, I feel like declaring individual takes on T.rex boring or generic is pretty reasonable. There's only so many times you can repeatedly depict an animal the same way before it becomes generic by definition, and by consequence, boring to some.

I actually don't mind at all when someone calls a toy boring. Calling it pointless, however, is stepping over the line. Boring is in the eye of the beholder, but pointless is quite simply incorrect. I can list scores of products by Schleich or Mattel or Nanmu that I consider boring, but I don't consider them pointless because it's obviously that lots of other people are buying those same products.

And sure, T.rex fans aren't actively in the forums, making fun of people for wanting figurines of Leinkupal and Bungartius, or whatever.
But do you know where they are?
They are in the factories and toy companies, deciding to make yet another blasted T.rex instead of any more obscure or otherwise interesting genus.

The people toiling away in factories in Asia have zero say on which species get made and which ones don't. They're only there to make the products. Indeed, I suspect that if you toured a factory in China or Vietnam, you'd find that most if not all of the workers aren't even interested in dinosaurs.

As for the people who do decide which species to make, it's never as simple as simply picking this one or that one. They have to keep in mind which ones are most likely to sell, thereby turning a profit and keeping the company alive. That's why we will always get more toys of T. rex, Optimus Prime, Batman, and Spider-Man. They're super popular and they sell well. It's just business that way.

Bottom line: if you're going to use negative terminology to describe pretty much any toy from PNSO or Haolonggood or Eofauna or Safari or any other top company, you have to expect pushback.

[suspsy]

Turning now to something completely different, I hope that the next Haolonggood reveal is Torosaurus. And I really hope that it's the same size as the Pentaceratops as opposed to the Triceratops. The Triceratops looks terrific, but it has the opposite problem of the T. rex in it's a bit too big for my taste.

[Turkeysaurus]

The price is so low even i might able order one day if it gets a few euros more discount.

Would it be a possibility that someone buys this for you, takes it out of the box, and then sends it to you as a gift with a declared value of lets say 25 Euros because it is technically used and lacks the original packaging?

It might work because it doesn't look like too expensive and if somehow they are able to find original is 35 dollars anyway. However shipment would be as expensive as toy if not more and there is no guarantee it'll pass through customs. 

I think I might be able to order when some of those ads in aliexpress gets discount. Even if i can't, it doesn't matter because it's not high on my priority list. I'm interested in because it's the best looking model i can get without smuggling. lol. Damn good price.

Btw If you are implying yourself by saying "someone" , thank you very much.  It's the thought that counts.

[Turkeysaurus]

Turning now to something completely different, I hope that the next Haolonggood reveal is Torosaurus. And I really hope that it's the same size as the Pentaceratops as opposed to the Triceratops. The Triceratops looks terrific, but it has the opposite problem of the T. rex in it's a bit too big for my taste.

There is Triceratops specimen nicknamed "Willard". It'S 8.8 metres & 11 tons. I believe there is even bigger one "Colossal Frenchman" but that might be too unreliable.  So large size is okay.  Also there is Torosaurus nicknamed "Adam" that might be even larger than Willard.

T.rex is at smaller side but there are some T.rexes below 12 meters range.

[suspsy]

Turning now to something completely different, I hope that the next Haolonggood reveal is Torosaurus. And I really hope that it's the same size as the Pentaceratops as opposed to the Triceratops. The Triceratops looks terrific, but it has the opposite problem of the T. rex in it's a bit too big for my taste.

There is Triceratops specimen nicknamed "Willard". It'S 8.8 metres & 11 tons. I believe there is even bigger one "Colossal Frenchman" but that might be too unreliable.  So large size is okay.  Also there is Torosaurus nicknamed "Adam" that might be even larger than Willard.

It is not so much a matter of scale for me as it is of making space in the display cabinet. Although I would prefer if it the Torosaurus scaled well with my Wild Safari Triceratops.

[thomasw100]

Dinos Dragons review of the brown T. rex:

[Over9K]

Is it small... or is it correctly scaled? At 1/35 it scales out to a 38 foot animal. That sounds right to me...

[Flaffy]

Is it small... or is it correctly scaled? At 1/35 it scales out to a 38 foot animal. That sounds right to me...

I think it's consistent with the smaller "gracile morphs" like Stan.

[Trenchcoated Rebbachisaur]

The video from DinosDragons compares the HLG rex to PNSO's own gracile morph rex at around 9:15. They're pretty similar, both in size and stature.

[Elengassen]

Lack of lips aside, it's very clear that this T. rex is an objective improvement on the old version. It's better proportioned, better sculpted, better posed and better coloured.

You vs. the guy she tells you not to worry about:

[suspsy]

Lack of lips aside, it's very clear that this T. rex is an objective improvement on the old version. It's better proportioned, better sculpted, better posed and better coloured.

You vs. the guy she tells you not to worry about:

Yup, anyone should be able to clearly and instantly tell those two apart.

[thebermuda303]

Is it small... or is it correctly scaled? At 1/35 it scales out to a 38 foot animal. That sounds right to me...

It's an average sized individual pretty much

[Fembrogon]

What's funny to me about the mouth gap is, that's exactly one of the issues brought up about lipless reconstructions in the Cullen et al paper: the mouth can't properly seal shut. In an ironic sort of way, HLG's model is very scientifically accurate! 

[Sim]

I think this is being exaggerated for the most part.

It is not. Significantly improved accuracy and sculpting are significantly improved accuracy and sculpting. Facts are facts.

We'll have to agree to disagree then, I think, because I'm not claiming the new Tyrannosaurus isn't better, just that it's minimally different in my opinion.  It's clearly not a matter of facts, it's about how much one determines the value of improvement.

With Nanmu and W-Dragon, yes. With Haolonggood, definitely not. You might as well be trying to claim that PNSO's 2023 T. rex is the same as their 2016 one.

No, I don't think so.

I have to say though that Gwangi's point about the price difference between the old and new Haolonggood Tyrannosaurus is relevant and I had forgotten about it.  People complain about figures all the time, I feel what's wrong is to single one out for it.

People don't always go so far as to brand a toy pointless and insist against all evidence that it's identical to a previous version. Building on the PNSO example above, the differences between the Haolonggood T. rexes is also comparable to the differences between the 2018 and 2012 Schleich T. rexes sculpts.

Please don't misrepresent what I've said.  I've never claimed the new Haolonggood is identical to a previous version, just that it's minimally different.  The PNSO and Schleich Tyrannosaurus figures you're referring to are more different to each other in my opinion.

Tyrannosaurus figures are being released now more than ever.  I doubt me expressing that I feel the latest is pointless makes significant difference to anyone, as we're seeing.

Yet multiple people are disagreeing with you here.

You're right about that, two people whose favourite prehistoric animal is Tyrannosaurus and who seem intolerant of someone's unfavourable opinion towards this Haolonggood version of the animal.

It isn't redundant, though. And certainly not pointless.

Matter of opinion.  I think it is.

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CollectA retired it before they released the 2018 version, so the latter wasn't a better seller at that point.

They did not retire it before the 2018 version was released. Where did you get that notion from?

They did indeed retire it before the 2018 version was released.  Check out the list of new retired figures here from November 23: https://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=6187.msg185312#msg185312
And the announcement for the 2018 Tyrannosaurus (which wasn't released for some time later), from Novemner 24: https://blog.everythingdinosaur.com/blog/_archives/2017/11/24/new-collecta-models-2018-part-4-of-4.html

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If it mattered to CollectA that science showed one of their figures was obsolete and consequently worth retiring, they would have retired their JP-style Velociraptor ages ago, yet it's still in production.

That's because the JP-style Velociraptor is much smaller, much less detailed, and much cheaper to manufacture.

My point stands.

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So you do concur now that Tyrannosaurus rex sells far better than any other prehistoric animal? That's not what you claimed earlier.

I think it sells better certain or most times, but not always.  I haven't claimed something different.

[Turkeysaurus]

Is it small... or is it correctly scaled? At 1/35 it scales out to a 38 foot animal. That sounds right to me...

"MOR 980" specimen is smallest "potentially" adult 11.5 meters (37.7 feet) 3.6 tall (hips) close 7 tonnes. Smallest "certainly" adult  specimen is "Trix" which is 11.9 meters (39 feet) long and 8.5 tonnes.  So it's 1:35 or 1:36 for smallest adult T.rex.

[Sim]

And the argument about being understanding and forgiving works both ways. It's perfectly okay to not like how many T. rex toys have been made, but that's really not a justification for declaring them pointless or boring or generic. Whether intentional or not, it's insulting to the collectors who do enjoy these toys and to the sculptors who poured a heap of time and energy and effort into crafting them. The individual who crafted the Haolonggood T. rex would surely not appreciate such words.

Again, people complain about figures all the time.  You and at least one other member basically called the Battat Pachyrhinosaurus's colouration rubbish.  How do you think Dan LoRusso would have felt about your comments?  And I like its colouration, but I didn't start a tirade towards the two of you.  I respect that you feel that way about it and I'm not about to accept censure from you in this similar but reversed situation.  I don't believe collectors are or should feel insulted by a criticism of a figure.

Also Bisticeratops, Bravoceratops, Eotriceratops, Judiceratops, Mercuriceratops, Navajoceratops, Ojoceratops, Sierraceratops, Terminocavus, and Wendiceratops.

Mercuriceratops, Sierraceratops and Wendiceratops are not known to have that horn arrangement.  I'm not sure if Navajoceratops and Terminocavus are as well.

Calling it pointless, however, is stepping over the line. Boring is in the eye of the beholder, but pointless is quite simply incorrect. I can list scores of products by Schleich or Mattel or Nanmu that I consider boring, but I don't consider them pointless because it's obviously that lots of other people are buying those same products.

Again, matter of opinion.  You can think what you like, and I'll think what I like.  And for the record, I think people buying something doesn't necessarily make that thing worthwhile.  Also, it's interesting that you think it's stepping over a line, considering all the times you've done that in the past and never apologised for it.

Bottom line: if you're going to use negative terminology to describe pretty much any toy from PNSO or Haolonggood or Eofauna or Safari or any other top company, you have to expect pushback.

You have to expect pushback if you try to dominate someone else on this forum, too.

[suspsy]

It is not. Significantly improved accuracy and sculpting are significantly improved accuracy and sculpting. Facts are facts.

We'll have to agree to disagree then, I think, because I'm not claiming the new Tyrannosaurus isn't better, just that it's minimally different in my opinion.  It's clearly not a matter of facts, it's about how much one determines the value of improvement.

Nope. Please check the comparison images that were posted in this thread earlier. It is and always will be factually incorrect to claim that they are minimally different, regardless of how reluctant you are to admit that.

With Nanmu and W-Dragon, yes. With Haolonggood, definitely not. You might as well be trying to claim that PNSO's 2023 T. rex is the same as their 2016 one.

No, I don't think so.

Again, check those comparison images. It really wouldn't hurt to admit that you have been in error.

I have to say though that Gwangi's point about the price difference between the old and new Haolonggood Tyrannosaurus is relevant and I had forgotten about it.  People complain about figures all the time, I feel what's wrong is to single one out for it.

Please don't misrepresent what I've said.  I've never claimed the new Haolonggood is identical to a previous version, just that it's minimally different.

Check the comparison images.

You're right about that, two people whose favourite prehistoric animal is Tyrannosaurus and who seem intolerant of someone's unfavourable opinion towards this Haolonggood version of the animal.

Pointing out when someone has committed a factual error, and continues to do so, is not the same as intolerance.

It isn't redundant, though. And certainly not pointless.

Matter of opinion.  I think it is.

And you would be factually incorrect on that as well. Since the toy has been positively received by many other collectors, and is selling very well on AliExpress at this very moment (see for yourself if you like), then logically it cannot be branded "pointless." On the contrary, it has absolutely fulfilled its purpose.

CollectA retired it before they released the 2018 version, so the latter wasn't a better seller at that point.

They did indeed retire it before the 2018 version was released.  Check out the list of new retired figures here from November 23: https://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=6187.msg185312#msg185312
And the announcement for the 2018 Tyrannosaurus (which wasn't released for some time later), from Novemner 24: https://blog.everythingdinosaur.com/blog/_archives/2017/11/24/new-collecta-models-2018-part-4-of-4.html

But that's only an announcement that the toy was going to be retired in 2018, not that it actually had ceased production. Production was still going on when the announcement was made, and did go on right into 2018.

If it mattered to CollectA that science showed one of their figures was obsolete and consequently worth retiring, they would have retired their JP-style Velociraptor ages ago, yet it's still in production.

That's because the JP-style Velociraptor is much smaller, much less detailed, and much cheaper to manufacture.
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My point stands.

Not really. It's apples and oranges here yet again.

And again, please do check those comparison images. Anyone can see that those two T. rexes are not just "minimally" different.
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