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Birds of the Mesozoic An Illustrated Field Guide, by Juan Benito and Roc Olivé Pous: forthcoming

Started by ceratopsian, May 31, 2022, 06:04:20 PM

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postsaurischian

Quote from: ceratopsian on September 18, 2022, 09:53:37 AMIs that really true?  Lynx has a reputation for extant bird books. Does that them them Eofauna??

Quote from: GojiraGuy1954 on September 18, 2022, 12:09:31 AMso EoFauna

 I have both volumes of the Illustrated Checklist of the Birds of the World (incredible piece of work!). They have nothing to do with EOfauna.

 Unfortunately this new Birds of the Mesozoic Field Guide does not appear on Germany's Amazon page :( . I hope it will.


ceratopsian

Thanks avatar_postsaurischian @postsaurischian.  That was exactly what I thought the case. If necessary, perhaps you could order direct from the publisher?  Or from an independent bookseller in Germany? I notice that a specialist bird/wildlife bookseller here in the UK has it on their pre-order list.

Quote from: postsaurischian on September 18, 2022, 12:32:53 PM
Quote from: ceratopsian on September 18, 2022, 09:53:37 AMIs that really true?  Lynx has a reputation for extant bird books. Does that them them Eofauna??

Quote from: GojiraGuy1954 on September 18, 2022, 12:09:31 AMso EoFauna

 I have both volumes of the Illustrated Checklist of the Birds of the World (incredible piece of work!). They have nothing to do with EOfauna.

 Unfortunately this new Birds of the Mesozoic Field Guide does not appear on Germany's Amazon page :( . I hope it will.

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Halichoeres

I think Lynx is the publisher for the Mesozoic Birds book in all countries, just as with the Handbook of Birds, whose first volume came out in the 90s. But they only distribute EoFauna's books in Europe. In the US, the EoFauna books are distributed by the Princeton University Press (which also publishes its own extensive line of field guides).
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Halichoeres

I haven't found a US seller for this yet. I'd prefer not to ship it from the UK but I suppose I will if I must.
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postsaurischian

 The book won't be available in Germany it seems.
 As avatar_ceratopsian @ceratopsian suggested I will order from the publisher directly.
 They ship from Spain which is within the EU and shouldn't be too expensive.

ceratopsian

At least the strong dollar would help offset the shipping avatar_Halichoeres @Halichoeres.

Quote from: Halichoeres on October 19, 2022, 03:57:49 PMI haven't found a US seller for this yet. I'd prefer not to ship it from the UK but I suppose I will if I must.

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Quote from: ceratopsian on October 19, 2022, 11:13:24 PMAt least the strong dollar would help offset the shipping avatar_Halichoeres @Halichoeres.

Quote from: Halichoeres on October 19, 2022, 03:57:49 PMI haven't found a US seller for this yet. I'd prefer not to ship it from the UK but I suppose I will if I must.

That's a good point. Would certainly take the sting out.
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VD231991

Quote from: ceratopsian on October 19, 2022, 10:10:51 AMA specialist bookseller in the UK is today advertising this as due December.
I went to the Lynx Edicions website recently and this book has come hot off the press, with multiple copies now being ready to be back from the printers.

postsaurischian


ceratopsian

I'm most envious!  I bet I won't see mine till January!  It's ordered though.

Quote from: postsaurischian on December 17, 2022, 09:49:05 AMMine has already been shipped and I should receive it in a few days.


VD231991

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I just received my copy of this book, and I noticed that it includes species described up to the first few months of 2022. It's good that this book takes note of the name Camptodontornis (whose synonymy with Longipteryx by Wang et al. [2015] is followed by the authors of this field guide, who nevertheless disagree with Yun's [2019] treatment of Boluochia as a senior synonym for Longipteryx and keep it as a distinct taxon) which I coined (Demirjian 2019) as a replacement for Camptodontus Li, Gong, Zhang, Yang, and Hou, 2010 because the name Camptodontus had already used for a beetle. At the same time, there is a section titled "Fossil Birds Excluded from the Species Accounts" that lists: (1) Mesozoic avialans based on very few skeletal elements insufficient to allow for artistic depictions of those taxa; (2) junior synonyms of valid Mesozoic avialan taxa; and (3) Mesozoic taxa formerly assigned to Avialae but now classified as non-avialan vertebrates, namely the supposed bird Priscavolucris, which was later reclassified as a hybodontiform shark, the squamate Oculudentavis, and the putative Triassic bird Protoavis, whose holotype and paratype have been dismissed by many paleontologists as composites of both basal theropods and non-dinosaurian diapsids (some appendicular elements of Protoavis once used by Sankar Chatterjee to consider Protoavis to be more derived than Archaeopteryx are actually from the pelvic and hindlimb, and the description of Middle-Late Jurassic avialans from China as morphologically as primitive as Archaeopteryx makes it highly that Protoavis could have been a maniraptoran theropod or even a derived stem-avialan). Compared with the Matthew Martyniuk's field guide to Mesozoic birds and non-avian pennaraptoran clades including Dromaeosauridae, Troodontidae, Oviraptorosauria, and Scansoriopterygiidae. The book Birds of the Mesozoic: An Illustrated Field Guide is a very comprehensive overview of Mesozoic avialans, encapsulating advances in knowledge of basal avialans since the early 2010s and respectfully disagreeing with some of Mickey Mortimer's opinions on Mesozoic avialan taxonomy.

References: 

Demirjian, V., 2019. Camptodontornis gen. nov., a replacement name for the bird genus Camptodontus Li, Gong, Zhang, Yang, and Hou, 2010, a junior homonym of Camptodontus Dejean, 1826. Zootaxa 4612 (3): 440.  https://doi.org/10.11646/zootaxa.4612.3.10

Wang,  X., Zhao, B., Shen, C.,  Liu, S., Gao, C., Cheng, X. and Zhang, F., 2015. New material of Longipteryx (Aves: Enantior-nithes) from the Lower Cretaceous Yixian Formation of China with the first recognized avian tooth crenulations. Zootaxa 3941 (4): 565–578.  https://doi.org/10.11646/zootaxa.3941.4.5

Yun C. G., 2019. Comments on the taxonomic validity of Camptodontornis yangi (Li, Gong, Zhang, Yang, and Hou, 2010) and its relationships to Longipteryx chaoyangensis Zhang, Zhou, Hou, and Gu, 2000 and Boluochia zhengi Zhou, 1995. Zootaxa 4652 (2):391-392. zootaxa.4652.2.12. https://doi.org/10.11646/zootaxa.4652.2.12

postsaurischian

 A wonderful field guide. I like everything about it.
 Beautifully illustrated and designed overall. I tend to like these Mesozoic Birds more than huge theropods.
 And this book shows a lot of beautiful examples that I hope could inspire some figure makers :)
 It's impressing how many of the Mesozoic Birds have been found in China.

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