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Ecosystems of Beasts of the Mesozoic species

Started by Sim, August 12, 2022, 08:57:59 PM

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I thought it would be interesting to have a list that groups Beasts of the Mesozoic species by the ecosystem they were present in.  This will show which species lived together, which could help for dioramas or display.  I'll list all available and planned species.

Discussion about anything to do with the list is welcome.

Antlers Formation, Oklahoma/Texas, US
120-112 mya, Early Cretaceous

1:18: Acrocanthosaurus, Deinonychus

Argiles et Grès à Reptiles Formation, Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur/Bouches-du-Rhône, France
74-70 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:6: Pyroraptor

Bayan Mandahu Formation, Inner Mongolia, China
75-71 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Linheraptor, Protoceratops h., Velociraptor o.
1:6: Linheraptor, Tsaagan (if the same species as Linheraptor), Velociraptor o.

Bayan Shireh Formation, Dornogovi, Mongolia
102-86 mya, Early Cretaceous - Late Cretaceous

1:18: Achillobator, Alectrosaurus

Candeleros Formation, Mendoza/Neuquén/Río Negro, Argentina
99-97 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:6: Buitreraptor

Cedar Mountain Formation, Utah, US
140-94 mya, Early Cretaceous - Late Cretaceous

1:18: Moros, Utahraptor

Cloverly Formation, Wyoming/Montana/Colorado/Utah, US
121.4-100.5 mya, Early Cretaceous

1:18: Acrocanthosaurus, Deinonychus, Sauropelta

Coachman Formation, North Carolina/South Carolina, US
83.2-77.5 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Dryptosaurus
1:6: Saurornitholestes l.

Densuș-Ciula Formation, Hunedoara County, Romania
70 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:6: Balaur

Dinosaur Park Formation, Alberta, Canada
76.9-75.8 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Centrosaurus, Chasmosaurus, Dromaeosaurus, Edmontonia, Gorgosaurus, Styracosaurus
1:6: Dromaeosaurus, Saurornitholestes l., Stenonychosaurus

Djadochta Formation, Ömnögovi, Mongolia
75-71 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Linheraptor (if the same species as Tsaagan), Protoceratops a., Protoceratops h., Velociraptor m.
1:6: Linheraptor (if the same species as Tsaagan), Protoceratops a., Tsaagan, Velociraptor m.

Donoho Creek Formation, South Carolina, US
76-71.4 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:6: Saurornitholestes l.

Evanston Formation, Wyoming, US
66 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Triceratops
1:35: Triceratops

Ferris Formation, Wyoming, US
66 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Pachycephalosaurus, Tyrannosaurus
1:35: Tyrannosaurus

Foremost Formation, Alberta, Canada
78.5-77.5 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Xenoceratops

Frenchman Formation, Alberta/Saskatchewan, Canada
66 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Torosaurus, Tyrannosaurus
1:35: Tyrannosaurus

Fruitland Formation, New Mexico/Colorado, US
76.3-75 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Bistahieversor, Pentaceratops

Great Oolite, England, UK
170.3-163.5 mya, Middle Jurassic

1:18: Proceratosaurus

Hanson Formation, Mount Kirkpatrick/Beardmore Glacier, Antarctica
188.5-182.7 mya, Early Jurassic

1:18: Cryolophosaurus

Hell Creek Formation, Montana/North Dakota/South Dakota/Wyoming, US
68-66 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Pachycephalosaurus, Torosaurus, Triceratops, Tyrannosaurus
1:6: Acheroraptor
1:35: Triceratops, Tyrannosaurus

Hornerstown Formation, New Jersey, US
66 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Dryptosaurus

Horseshoe Canyon Formation, Alberta, Canada
74-67 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Albertosaurus
1:6: Atrociraptor

Iren Dabasu Formation, Inner Mongolia, China
96 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Alectrosaurus

Javelina Formation, Texas, US
70-66.5 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Tyrannosaurus
1:35: Tyrannosaurus

Jiufotang Formation, Liaoning, China
122-118.9 mya, Early Cretaceous

1:18: Psittacosaurus
1:6: Microraptor, Psittacosaurus

Judith River Formation, Montana, US
79.8-75.2 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Avaceratops, Daspletosaurus, Gorgosaurus, Medusaceratops, Monoclonius, Spiclypeus
1:6: Troodon

Kaiparowits Formation, Utah, US
76.6-74.3 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Kosmoceratops, Nasutoceratops, Teratophoneus, Utahceratops

Kayenta Formation, Arizona/Colorado/Nevada/Utah, US
188-185 mya, Early Jurassic

1:18: Dilophosaurus

Kirtland Formation, New Mexico, US
75-73.5 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Bistahieversor, Pentaceratops
1:6: Saurornitholestes s.

La Colonia Formation, Chubut Province, Argentina
70-66 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Carnotaurus

Lance Formation, Wyoming, US
69-66 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Pachycephalosaurus, Torosaurus, Triceratops, Tyrannosaurus
1:35: Triceratops, Tyrannosaurus

Laramie Formation, Colorado, US
69-68 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18 Torosaurus, Triceratops
1:35: Triceratops

Lisangou Formation, Inner Mongolia, China
121.4-100.5 mya, Early Cretaceous

1:18: Psittacosaurus
1:6: Psittacosaurus

Lourinhã Formation, Lisbon Region, Portugal
152.5-144.7 mya, Late Jurassic - Early Cretaceous

1:18: Miragaia

McRae Formation, New Mexico, US
70-66 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Tyrannosaurus
1:35: Tyrannosaurus

Moreno Hill Formation, New Mexico, US
93.9-89.8 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18 Suskityrannus, Zuniceratops

Morrison Formation, Arizona/Colorado/Idaho/Kansas/Montana/Nebraska/New Mexico/North Dakota/Oklahoma/South Dakota/Texas/Utah/Wyoming, US
156.3-146.8 mya, Late Jurassic

1:18: Allosaurus f., Allosaurus j., Ceratosaurus, Stegosaurus

Nanxiong Formation, Guangdong, China
66.7 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Qianzhousaurus

Navesink Formation, New Jersey, US
70-66 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Dryptosaurus

Nemegt Formation, Bayankhongor Aimag/Ömnögovi/Ovorkhangai, Mongolia
70 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Qianzhousaurus (if the same species as Alioramus), Tarbosaurus
1:6: Adasaurus, Mononykus

North Horn Formation, Utah, US
71-66 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Tyrannosaurus
1:35: Tyrannosaurus

Oldman Formation, Alberta, Canada
77.5-76.5 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Albertaceratops, Daspletosaurus, Wendiceratops
1:6: Saurornitholestes l.

Öösh Formation, Ovorkhangai, Mongolia
141-125 mya, Early Cretaceous

1:18: Psittacosaurus
1:6: Psittacosaurus

Scollard Formation, Alberta, Canada
70-66 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Tyrannosaurus
1:35: Tyrannosaurus

Sebeș Formation, Hunedoara County, Romania
70-66 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:6: Balaur

Shishugou Formation, Xinjiang, China
163-156 mya, Late Jurassic

1:18 Guanlong

St. Mary River Formation, Alberta/Montana, Canada/US
71.9-67 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Regaliceratops

Subashi Formation, Xinjiang, China
84-66 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Tarbosaurus

Tendaguru Formation, Lindi Region, Tanzania
165-130 mya, Middle Jurassic - Early Cretaceous

1:18: Kentrosaurus

Twin Mountains Formation, Texas, US
121.4-113 mya, Early Cretaceous

1:18: Acrocanthosaurus

Two Medicine Formation, Montana/Alberta, US/Canada
83.9-74.5 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Edmontonia, Einiosaurus, Gorgosaurus, Styracosaurus
1:6: Saurornitholestes l. (if the same species as Bambiraptor), Stenonychosaurus

Wahweap Formation, Utah/Arizona, US
82.2-77.3 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Diabloceratops, Lythronax

Wapiti Formation, Alberta, Canada
80-68 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Pachyrhinosaurus

Wessex Formation, England, UK
140-125 mya, Early Cretaceous

1:18: Eotyrannus

Willow Creek Formation, Alberta/Montana, Canada/US
66.9-66 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Tyrannosaurus
1:35: Tyrannosaurus

Xingezhuang Formation, Shandong, China
77.3-70 mya, Late Cretaceous

1:18: Sinoceratops

Xinpongnaobao Formation, Inner Mongolia, China
121.4-100.5 mya, Early Cretaceous

1:18: Psittacosaurus (if P. osborni is a synonym of P. mongoliensis)
1:6: Psittacosaurus (if P. osborni is a synonym of P. mongoliensis)

Yixian Formation, Liaoning, China
125.8-124.1 mya, Early Cretaceous

1:18: Yutyrannus
1:6: Dilong, Zhenyuanlong


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Sim

Thanks avatar_GojiraGuy1954 @GojiraGuy1954, I'm adding the species from the first three Beasts of the Mesozoic series in alphabetical order.  I haven't finished yet, I'm still at C!  I will do the other planned BotM species after I get through the first three series.

Faelrin

Off to a good start. Having this will be a great way to plan out my displays (well once I can get them out of storage again), or what figures to get later on.

One suggestion if I may, would you be okay with adding the period information as well (like Late Cretaceous, etc)?
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I've added the period the animals in each formation are from.  They are all Late Cretaceous except the last two for now, but more diversity will be present once I add more species.  I plan to continue working on this tomorrow.

Faelrin

Thank you for going through the trouble of doing that avatar_Sim @Sim. I really appreciate it.

It's really interesting seeing how well some formations have been represented even if it has been just limited to dromaeosaurids, ceratopsians, and tyrannosauroids, mostly. Some of those will continue to grow with those announced for Cyberzoic.
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Quote from: Sim on August 14, 2022, 10:40:15 PMI've added the period the animals in each formation are from.  They are all Late Cretaceous except the last two for now, but more diversity will be present once I add more species.  I plan to continue working on this tomorrow.
Maybe specify which Stage to slightly break up the monotony? I have a list here- (Same order as OP)

Santonian
Cenomanian
Maastrichtian
Campanian
Campanian
Maastrichtian
Maastrichtian
Maastrichtian
Cenomanian
Campanian
Campanian
Maastrichtian
Maastrichtian
Campanian
Maastrichtian
Campanian
Campanian
Barremian
Barremian
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#7
Thanks for the suggestion avatar_GojiraGuy1954 @GojiraGuy1954!  I've added the stages for each formation.  Seeing which formations share the stage they were in is interesting!  If anyone thinks the period information (e.g. Late Cretaceous) is now redundant, let me know and I can remove it.  I'm particularly interested in your opinion, avatar_Faelrin @Faelrin, do you still find it useful to have Late Cretaceous, etc. for each formation?  If you do I'll keep it.

Also let me know which of these formats you think would work better:

Judith River Formation, US, Late Cretaceous, Campanian
1:18: Avaceratops, Daspletosaurus, Gorgosaurus

Judith River Formation, US, Campanian (Late Cretaceous)
1:18: Avaceratops, Daspletosaurus, Gorgosaurus

ceratopsian

This is a useful exercise. Thanks avatar_Sim @Sim. Looking forward to seeing the full pattern as more species are added.

Faelrin

Yeah I think having the stage and period info is helpful, especially for those less aware of the stage info. Helpful to me personally too because my memory is garbage so this will help me keep track better.
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ceratopsian

I agree with avatar_Faelrin @Faelrin here. I'm secure on the commoner stages, such as Campanian and Maastrichtian. I would need to look up the less frequent ones. Having both stage and period acts as a useful reinforcing tool. I think it would also be helpful for anyone who is perhaps newer to the field.

Quote from: Faelrin on August 15, 2022, 06:49:43 PMYeah I think having the stage and period info is helpful, especially for those less aware of the stage info. Helpful to me personally too because my memory is garbage so this will help me keep track better.

Sim

#11
I've added more BotM species although there's still more to be added.  I've also made three changes.  First I've added the region for each environment, so now it's more specific than just "US".  Second, I've replaced the stages with the actual ages of the ecosystems.  Third, I've split the environment information into two parts.  I think the list is better now.  I've only got up to the Laramie Formation with regards to the changes, I plan to do the rest soon.

Sim

I've finished updating all the environments with the new information format.  I've also finished adding all the BotM species from the first three series.  I plan to add the other BotM species soon.

Halichoeres

I hope as the line expands and relies less on parts-sharing, there can be a little bit more from the rest of the Mesozoic!
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#14
At least Cyberzoic seems to be kicking that off since we'll be getting our first thyreophorans and/or Jurassic period animals, etc. I do long for some ornithopods some day or at least the Dinosaur Park formation hadrosaurids (to display with the Dromaeosaurus, maybe the Stenonychosaurus, ceratopsians, and upcoming Gorgosaurus. Edit: Oh right and Cyberzoic's Edmontonia as well). Parasaurolophus especially is one of my favorite dinosaurs and ornithischians in general.
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#15
I've finally finished adding all the confirmed species to the list in the first post.  The only ones whose scale isn't confirmed are Allosaurus jimmadseni and Deinonychus, I've currently listed them with their most likely scale (1:18).  I think I'll ask David if he can confirm what scale they will be in.

Regarding the previous discussion about other parts of the Mesozoic being represented, the tyrannosaur series actually includes two Jurassic species: Proceratosaurus and Guanlong.  Cyberzoic and the next series of BotM include more Jurassic species though.

Thoughts I have:

1. It's interesting how many species from the Dinosaur Park Formation have been represented.  I agree with avatar_Faelrin @Faelrin that it would be good to have Parasaurolophus represented.  It's great that David already thinks Parasaurolophus will be in 'Cyberzoic series 2'.

2. Thinking about the Candeleros Formation, it would be amazing to have BotM versions of Giganotosaurus and Buitreraptor in the same scale, which would highlight the size difference between the two.  It makes me think of this artwork by Emily Willoughby of those two animals, Giganotosaurus could grow much bigger than what is seen here:
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3. Similar to the previous thought, if Mononykus was made in 1:18 scale for BotM, it would be spectacular to pair it with the Tarbosaurus, showing their extreme size difference, like in the art below:
  (Image source)

4. The Yixian Formation could be a good ecosystem to expand.  In addition to the Yutyrannus, there's demand for 1:18 versions of Dilong and Zhenyuanlong.  In terms of new species, I would love BotM versions of the therizinosaur Beipiaosaurus and the dromaeosaurid Sinornithosaurus.  A Sinornithosaurus could share most of itself with a 1:18 Microraptor figure, which I know there's also demand for.  It would only need a new head and tail.

Faelrin

Man I really like all these ideas. And oof I did forget about Guanlong and Proceratosaurus, who were in the Jurassic. Still so far it is pretty Cretaceous period heavy however. That said I definitely need myself a Deinocheirus to pair with the Tarbosaurus, and maybe Therizinosaurus (but if not I'm still getting Mattel's from this year at some point, so it still works out for me). Would be great to have all three of the huge beasts of the Nemegt on display.
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From the Candeleros Formation there's also Jakapil that would be awesome to have along with Buitreraptor and Giganotosaurus.

Regarding the large animals of the Nemegt Formation, I agree it would be great to display the Tarbosaurus with Therizinosaurus and Deinocheirus.  I wouldn't get a Therizinosaurus personally as I would find it too big and too speculative.  As for Deinocheirus, I would find it interesting if it was featherless but I doubt David would make it like that due to it being popular to feather Deinocheirus even if science suggests it lacked feathers, according to Mark Witton.  But who knows, David is a pioneer after all.

Still on the topic of the Nemegt Formation's large animals, in addition to the three theropods previously mentioned, another huge animal from this ecosystem is Saurolophus angustirostris.  It is another hadrosaurid in addition to Parasaurolophus that I would like to see made.  It's so well-known from fossils yet there isn't even one good figure of it available!

Other relatively large animals from the Nemegt are the troodontid Zanabazar, the ornithomimid Gallimimus and the titanosaur Nemegtosaurus.  These all don't have any figure, or in the case of Gallimimus, it lacks an accurate figure.  I think they would all make good choices for figures, I would particularly like a Zanabazar!  Since it's now known Adasaurus grew to Deinonychus size, it too is a relatively large animal from the Nemegt Formation.  It's interesting how the Nemegt was so rich in food and water that so many relatively big dinosaurs were able to be supported by it.

Faelrin

Yeah that formation has a ton of potential that's for sure. And yeah can't believe I already forgot Jakapil was from there. That too would be speculative due to its fragmentary nature, but unlike Therizinosaurus does have enough pieces from all over the body to give us an outline to start from.
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You're right about Jakapil being very speculative, avatar_Faelrin @Faelrin, I think it would be best to leave that one for now in favour of species with known appearances.  And yes the Nemegt Formation does have a lot of potential!  I admire David's ability to balance making animals that lived together and making popular species from new ecosystems.  Whatever he decides to make will be good, I think.


Looking through the represented ecosystems in the first post, a few things occurred to me:

1. I get the impression Tenontosaurus would be a popular addition to the Cloverly Formation ecosystem, with members of this forum.

2. The Hell Creek Formation has some species not made yet that are desired: Ankylosaurus, Leptoceratops, Edmontosaurus annectens, Thescelosaurus, and Dakotaraptor.  I wonder if the Edmontosaurus would be too big to make?

3. The Morrison Formation could be an interesting ecosystem to expand.  It's currently quite carnivore heavy, but I would still love a BotM Torvosaurus tanneri.  If herbivores are to be added to this ecosystem there's a lot to choose from.

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