Jurassic World discussion (spoilers)

Shadowknight1 · July 04, 2015, 06:35:31 AM

Jurassic World is currently sitting in 8th place of all time movie gross and it's still in theaters.

Gwangi · July 04, 2015, 12:03:01 PM

Quote from: Takama on July 04, 2015, 05:05:10 AM
To get a little more on topic, i begin to wonder. What are the odds of Terminator 5 beating Jurassic World at the Box Office when it comes out? JW surprised me so far, with how well it did, And how many of us were thinking Inside out was going to Beat it? If Terminator cant beat JW i wonder what this means for the future of Dinosaur movies. Obviously people seem to like the crappy CGI and low use of Practical effects, on top of that, We have a movie star that's not even based on a real Dinosaur. If JW turns out to be one of the most profitable films of the year (Until Starwars Episode 7 comes out) Does this mean all hopes for Good dinosaurs in Hollywood are quashed?

I don't think T5 stands a chance of beating JW. Hell, JW will probably make more money this weekend than T5 and JW has been out for what now...three week? Four? T5 does not seem to be generating much excitement, and with a 25% on Rotten Tomatoes it's already clear this this will be a crappy movie.

I am sure "Jurassic World" will remain popular and spawn a bunch of crappy dinosaurs in it's wake. "Jurassic Park" did the same exact thing. Tons of dinosaurs movies in the 1990's, most of them were garbage. I don't think this means the end of good dinosaurs in Hollywood simply because I don't think we'll ever get good dinosaurs in Hollywood anyway. "Jurassic Park" is as good as it gets.

QuoteIt's not a movie but imo Sarah Connor Chronicles deserves a mention amongst the best of the Terminator series.

Agreed. I was really surprised by how good it was because I remember seeing the trailers on Fox and thinking it wold just be a cheap cash grab. Interestingly this means that Linda Hamilton is the only actress to play Sarah Conner not in "Game of Thrones".

You know, speaking of elaborate JP deaths, have we all forgotten Eddie Carr getting torn in half by the T. rex pair in TLW? He certainly didn't deserve that (Sarah and Nick maybe did) and it was far more gruesome than what we got in JW.

Takama · July 04, 2015, 03:08:33 PM

That scene still has an impact on me, because i thought it was so well done with the music, and tension.

My "SORT OF" Little Sister Hates that scene so much that's shes afraid of Theropod Dinosaurs now.

tyrantqueen · July 04, 2015, 09:14:52 PM

Terminator Genisys is a PG-13. There's a big problem right there. It should have been R rated so it could be as dark as the original film.

Gwangi · July 04, 2015, 09:32:08 PM

Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 04, 2015, 09:14:52 PM
Terminator Genisys is a PG-13. There's a big problem right there. It should have been R rated so it could be as dark as the original film.

"Salvation" is the only other terminator movie with a PG-13 rating, not a good sign!

tyrantqueen · July 05, 2015, 03:25:28 PM

Well, I'm going to see Genisys this afternoon. If anyone is interested I'll do a write up on my thoughts when I get back. Maybe I should make a thread for it?

suspsy · July 05, 2015, 03:31:35 PM

I saw Genisys last night. I enjoyed it. The action sequences weren't anywhere near as intense as the ones in T1, 2, and 3, but it had some neat ideas. I liked it way better than Salvation.

DinoToyForum · July 05, 2015, 03:35:27 PM

Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 05, 2015, 03:25:28 PM
Well, I'm going to see Genisys this afternoon. If anyone is interested I'll do a write up on my thoughts when I get back. Maybe I should make a thread for it?

Yes please, a new thread is in order

Arul · July 05, 2015, 03:46:55 PM

Quote from: dinotoyforum on July 05, 2015, 03:35:27 PM
Quote from: tyrantqueen on July 05, 2015, 03:25:28 PM
Well, I'm going to see Genisys this afternoon. If anyone is interested I'll do a write up on my thoughts when I get back. Maybe I should make a thread for it?
Oh yeah Terminator Genisys story is very very confusing for me, but the action is very cool so breathtaking

DinoToyForum · July 05, 2015, 04:14:43 PM

I've been misquoted! Also, let's stop talking about Terminator in this thread about JW. Thanks!

Gwangi · July 06, 2015, 03:47:27 AM

A couple of more forgiving paleontologists chime in on "Jurassic World" on an episode of "Science Friday" on PRI.

Quote"It's easy to be pedantic about a movie like this and pick nits, but this is a fun, summer monster movie and on that level it works really well. I had a good time," says Kenneth Lacovara, a paleontology fellow at the Academy of Natural Sciences at Drexel University in Philadelphia.

How do those 'Jurassic World' dinos compare to the real thing?
http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-07-03/how-do-those-jurassic-world-dinos-compare-real-thing

Doug Watson · July 06, 2015, 04:55:17 AM

Just got finished watching Jurassic Park again for the umpteenth time. Although I thoroughly enjoyed Jurassic World for me the thing that separates it from JP, LW & JP3 is the lack of as they call them in the credits "live action dinosaurs". The images of Stan Winston's robotic dinosaurs interacting in crystal clear detail with the actors is what really sold them to me as "real" and made such an impact back then. Because they were actually there your eyes were allowed to linger on their detail and they didn't fly by in a blur. It seems that the technowizards must have convinced the movie makers that the practical effects dinosaurs were no longer needed. I think if Winston was still around and a robotic Indominus rex had been realized along with a rejuvenated robotic T rex, JW would have gone up a notch. I also noticed that JP like Alien was more of a suspense thriller and JW was more of an non stop thrill ride like Aliens. Mind you I have enjoyed all of those movies. I hope to go and see JW again, not as great as JP but still fun to watch.

Blade-of-the-Moon · July 06, 2015, 05:10:57 AM

Quote from: Doug Watson on July 06, 2015, 04:55:17 AM
Just got finished watching Jurassic Park again for the umpteenth time. Although I thoroughly enjoyed Jurassic World for me the thing that separates it from JP, LW & JP3 is the lack of as they call them in the credits "live action dinosaurs". The images of Stan Winston's robotic dinosaurs interacting in crystal clear detail with the actors is what really sold them to me as "real" and made such an impact back then. It seems that the technowizards must have convinced the movie makers that the practical effects dinosaurs were no longer needed. I think if Winston was still around and a robotic Indominus rex had been realized along with a rejuvenated robotic T rex, JW would have gone up a notch. I also noticed that JP like Alien was more of a suspense thriller and JW was more of an non stop thrill ride like Aliens. Mind you I have enjoyed all of those movies. I hope to go and see JW again, not as great as JP but still fun to watch.

This is my one nitpick as well, as I told the film crew that was here today when we were discussing it, JW was better to me than TLW and JP3 in all regards except where the practical effects were concerned. I think the only real pieces there were the Raptor heads and Apatosaurus? It would have been great to actually see the animatronics breathe and fight like in JP3. I think your right, they just went with CG because it was easier. It's a bear transporting full size dinosaurs to locations like Hawaii and Louisiana I will admit...and cg is probably cheaper too. That side you still can't beat a good practical piece.

Shadowknight1 · July 06, 2015, 05:27:34 AM

Well, I've seen it twice myself and I honestly didn't see why people were saying the CG was crappy. I thought it was decent. For me, JW is the best of the sequels, but still can't top the original.

Incidentally, JW has moved to #5 on the all time box office charts. All that stands in its way are Furious 7, Avengers, Titanic, and Avatar. I doubt it'll get up to Titanic or Avatar, but I think it stands a chance of knocking Furious 7 and maybe Avengers down a peg.

Yutyrannus · July 06, 2015, 05:28:47 AM

Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on July 06, 2015, 05:10:57 AM
I think the only real pieces there were the Raptor heads and Apatosaurus?

Just the Apatosaurus

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Doug Watson · July 06, 2015, 05:35:54 AM

Quote from: Yutyrannus on July 06, 2015, 05:28:47 AM
Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on July 06, 2015, 05:10:57 AM
I think the only real pieces there were the Raptor heads and Apatosaurus?
Just the Apatosaurus .

Pretty sure the Raptor heads in the restraints that they were petting were practical pieces.
Like this guy.

Yutyrannus · July 06, 2015, 05:51:03 AM

Quote from: Doug Watson on July 06, 2015, 05:35:54 AM
Pretty sure the Raptor heads in the restraints that they were petting were practical pieces.
Like this guy.

They made them yes, but for some bizarre reason they weren't actually in the film.

Dinomike · July 06, 2015, 07:24:04 AM

Quote from: Shadowknight1 on July 06, 2015, 05:27:34 AM
Well, I've seen it twice myself and I honestly didn't see why people were saying the CG was crappy. I thought it was decent. For me, JW is the best of the sequels, but still can't top the original.
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The best effects are IMHO still in the original film. They were so subtle and used only when needed. However, being quite picky when it comes to special effects, I think the ones in JW were pretty good. All the landscape scenes were quite impressive. One of my favorite scenes is the one where Grey opens the window in their hotel room, the theme music kicks in and you sort of fly over the park.

Gwangi · July 06, 2015, 10:50:56 AM

The animatronic raptor heads were used in the film, they just overlapped the eyes and mouth with CGI.

Tallin · July 06, 2015, 01:09:50 PM

The problem is that CGI is now cheaper to produce in many cases than good ol' fashioned practical effects. I expect it was the decision of the high ups rather than the technical teams themselves. Also there is an expectation amongst the masses of movie-goers that CGI draws more people, and is part of the attraction of films these days. It's a shame and causes practical effects to fall by the wayside a bit. Personally I much prefer practical effects - have any of you seen the amazing Pan's Labyrinth?

For the record I was unimpressed by the CGI really; the movement of the herbivores especially lacked weight and they way the stegosaurs were 'galloping' was very unbelievable.

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