Jurassic World discussion (spoilers)

[Takama]

Julius Csotonyi  was commissioned by Universal to make some Dinosaur Pictures for the website. All of them were based on up to date Research, which means they were never going to be in the film to begin with. I tried to Contact him regarding the Metriacanthosaurus Asking him if i was allowed to Make a model based on it and he said it was not his anymore, it now belongs to Universal Studios.     So yeah, Julius Made these dinosaur Pictures for Universal for the soul purpose of the website. Rather or not we will see any of the animals in future films remains to be seen. but if you plan on basing any artwork on those, be wary of Universal.

[Sim]

I watched Jurassic World with some friends tonight (in 2D)!  It was a good experience.  As someone who's really interested in prehistoric animals I was both a bit disappointed by the inaccuracies in some of the animals in the film, but also very happy to watch an interesting story which involved them.  I enjoyed Jurassic World!

I found there was some parts of the film that weren't great.  Most of the part where the pterosaurs attacked people was very fast - too fast for me at times.  Another thing that I felt made that part not great was how aggressive the Pteranodon and Dimorphodon were.  I'm still not sure why they were so aggressive.  As far as I'm aware it's impossible for pterosaurs to lift people although that did end up having some significance...  Some scenes were quite predictable too as the trailers showed snippets from most of the film.

There were a number of parts I enjoyed and found interesting.  The last fight against the I. rex was one of them.  I found there was quite a few surprises and nice moments there, like when the Velociraptors decide to fight the I. rex despite their previous 'friendship' with it.  The Tyrannosaurus being led to fight the I. rex was cool too.  When it was approaching the Spinosaurus skeleton I wondered if it would actually walk into it, smashing it, which it did.  I didn't think this was necessary but I can see others liked it.  I found it funny!  I found the Tyrannosaurus and Velociraptor teaming up to fight the I. rex interesting as it showed they both ultimately found the I. rex a threat which I think relates to some earlier parts in the film like when the dinosaurs were shown to communicate with each other.  The conclusion of that fight with the Mosasaurus joining in was ultimately pleasing.  I also liked the T. rex and Velociraptor showing respect to each other after the fight ended, and the Velociraptor and Owen saying goodbye to each other.  Which Velociraptor was the one that survived and parted ways with Owen at the end?  The other 3 Velociraptors all died, didn't they?

I've always had mixed feelings about the Jurassic Park franchise.  I think it's great in a number of ways especially in making the general public learn more about prehistoric animals.  However the major inaccuracies in some of the animals misinform people (e.g. Velociraptor, Dilophosaurus, JP3 Pteranodon).  I think this wouldn't be as bad if other companies didn't copy inaccuracies in the JP animals.  I really think the JP animals should stay with JP.  I liked when in Jurassic World Henry Wu stated that if it wasn't for the other extant animal DNA added in the prehistoric animals DNA the prehistoric animals would look quite different.  It's great JW acknowledges the inaccuracies in their prehistoric animals.  What I think is bad is when other companies copy the inaccuracies in JP/JW animals and present them as the animals that once lived.  Now that Henry Wu said the inaccuracies in the JW animals are due to extant animal DNA, am I hoping for the unlikely in hoping other companies will stop copying JP/JW?

[DinoLord]

Just went and saw it a second time. I was really able to fully appreciate the ending this time; I was too in awe the first time to notice much detail. I think the slow motion shot of Blue, combined with the subsequent speeding up and TLW theme worked quite well.

[Pachyrhinosaurus]

I agree, at first I didn't like the idea of slow-motion in a Jurassic Park film, but after going over it a few times in my mind it seems to have been executed well. One scene I did not like, though, was the whole "They're communicating" thing. It was pretty much the same as the gymnastics stunt in TLW, being the one scene which was really cheesy. I guess it did have more meaning by the end, since the three surviving raptors became loyal to Owen again (not Hoskins). I enjoyed Hoskins' death, though, I wanted him to die since I saw him in the global trailer. The dilophosaurus hologram was nice as well, but I wish there would have been dilos in the restricted area, even if they were in the background fleeing from the indominus, sort of like the compies during the fight in JP///.
It is really hard to compare this movie to one which came out in 1993, though, I mean the simplicity of the first film, as far as effects go, worked well, however the CG in JW also has its pros. I saw The Hobbit last December, and it was also implausible (I mean, using falling bricks as a stairway?). I guess, even though this is a JP film, all modern movies are far-fetched with lots of close calls and such.
The movie was well worth it, though, from an awesomebro standpoint, I am not usually of that crowd, however there's an explanation to why the animals look like they do. The two scenes which stood out the most to me were when Gray opened the hotel window to reveal the panorama of the park, with the original theme, as well as when rexy was released. The latter received quite an applause from the audience.
Just my two cents for now. I'm sure once I get my thoughts together and see it again on Sunday I will have more to say.

[irimali]

did everybody in the movie forget that you can tranquilize animals?  in all the years jurassic world was open they never figured out what dose it would take to knock out indominus rex?  just in case they ever might need to. 

and why the hell would owen go into its cage without knowing where it is when all it took was a phone call to find out?  and who goes after any animal that size with cattle prods and rifles?  and why does the big door to the t-rex paddock open right outside the giftshops? 

and how does indominus know how to speak to pteranodons and dimorphodons?  "rawr rawr rawr"= "go on a killing spree" in both pterosaur languages apparently.

what kind of zoo allows people to kayak down a river and drive their own tiny hamster balls amongst huge and potentially dangerous animals?  the park would have closed the day it opened because dozens of tourists would have died.

[Darwinian]

and why the hell would owen go into its cage without knowing where it is when all it took was a phone call to find out? 

Because they all believed it escaped, since there was no sign of it on thermal imaging.

and how does indominus know how to speak to pteranodons and dimorphodons?  "rawr rawr rawr"= "go on a killing spree" in both pterosaur languages apparently.

It doesn't. You're being distracted by the way the trailer was cut together. There was zero implication that the I-rex communicated with the pterosaurs. It accidentally crashed into the aviary, and then tried eating them. They flew away and went for take out.

what kind of zoo allows people to kayak down a river and drive their own tiny hamster balls amongst huge and potentially dangerous animals?

The most awesome zoo ever.

[Darwinian]

I agree, at first I didn't like the idea of slow-motion in a Jurassic Park film, but after going over it a few times in my mind it seems to have been executed well. One scene I did not like, though, was the whole "They're communicating" thing. It was pretty much the same as the gymnastics stunt in TLW, being the one scene which was really cheesy. I guess it did have more meaning by the end, since the three surviving raptors became loyal to Owen again (not Hoskins). I enjoyed Hoskins' death, though, I wanted him to die since I saw him in the global trailer. The dilophosaurus hologram was nice as well, but I wish there would have been dilos in the restricted area, even if they were in the background fleeing from the indominus, sort of like the compies during the fight in JP///.
It is really hard to compare this movie to one which came out in 1993, though, I mean the simplicity of the first film, as far as effects go, worked well, however the CG in JW also has its pros. I saw The Hobbit last December, and it was also implausible (I mean, using falling bricks as a stairway?). I guess, even though this is a JP film, all modern movies are far-fetched with lots of close calls and such.
The movie was well worth it, though, from an awesomebro standpoint, I am not usually of that crowd, however there's an explanation to why the animals look like they do. The two scenes which stood out the most to me were when Gray opened the hotel window to reveal the panorama of the park, with the original theme, as well as when rexy was released. The latter received quite an applause from the audience.
Just my two cents for now. I'm sure once I get my thoughts together and see it again on Sunday I will have more to say.

I think the effects look worse (to some people, I was OK with them) because they've gotten better. That is in JP, almost every shot is short, and usually in dim lighting. Even most of the animatronic dinos are only glimpsed briefly (save the Trike, which didn't have to move). Your eye never really gets the chance to study them, and they don't really do a whole lot over the course of a single shot. Newer films are more confident in their CGI, so they do more in longer shots that are well lit, which makes it harder to hide the limitations.

[EmperorDinobot]

***SPOILERS DO NOT READ AHEAD UNLESS YOU HAVE SEEN IT***




My favorite part was when Dr. Wu himself admitted that if they were to accurately use pure dinosaur DNA the dinosaurs in the park would look totally different and that these are just designer animals created to be marketed towards an audience. That itself was the perfect explanation of the saga.


I wonder who he is REALLY working for.



I really liked the movie and all the theme park monsters. I did NOT like it how they were all CGI except for the dying Apatosaurus head, which was probably the warmest and most emotional moment of the film (aside from breaking and entering into the old Visitor's center, which made me literally cry my eyes out). I also enjoyed the TONS of homages they make of all three movies.


For a lifelong Jurassic Park fan (a CRITICAL fan FYI) this movie was the bee's knees. Far from perfect, but it delivered on all my expectations. But nothing more.



Lessons:
People never learn.
People make stupid mistakes in the name of adventure or profits.
Nothing you see is real.
Mr. Masrani is freaking awesome.
Chaos theory is rendered moot once an observable pattern is...well...observable!

[stargatedalek]

I liked how it felt like the pterosaurs weren't malicious (which was probably my biggest worry from the trailers!) but rather that they were panicked. I don't know if any of you have ever seen what happens when something "scary" (in this case a cockatoo, ironically) gets into a turkey run and they get out, but it feels a lot like that for any poor bystanders

[Dobber]

So I saw it last night and I really enjoyed it. I was very glad that Dr. Wu had those lines explaining that many of the species would look very different if they were actual dinosaurs. It allowed me to accept the JP/JW Dino's for what they are. This is really more of a monster movie where the monsters are man made "mostly-Dino's"

Very enjoyable film to me, but let's face it nothing will be able to capture the magic of the first movie...not just because it was a better film, but because nothing like JP was ever seen before when it came out. I was 18 when it was released and it was awe-inspiring seeing life like Dinosaurs on the big screen for the first time. Now we see stuff like that all the time....so the WOW factor is just not there, at least until the next big thing happens. So I just don't find it fair to compair this movie to JP since the later had the advantage of being new and never done before.

Chris

[Brontozaurus]

Saw it last night. To me it was basically a sugar rush movie. It was crazy and hectic but once the high wears off it's not going to stick in your mind. I'd say it's the best of the sequels but that's not difficult to achieve.

Also who else had a little 'hell yeah' moment when the T. rex broke through the Spinosaurus skeleton?

[laticauda]

As with many of you, I headed out and saw JW.  Before I say if it was good or not, I will say this.  With this movie you will see what you expect to see.  If you are looking for great character development and amazing plot, you will be dissappointed, if you are looking for action and homage to the orginal, then you will enjoy it. 

I know many love the original, but guess what, that was a cheesy movie as well.  It was powerful due to two facts, A. You had never seen dinosaurs like that before on film, B. John Williams score was awesome.  Richard Attenborough was also a better than the book John Hammond.  Many years ago, I read the book, then went and saw the orgianl JP, and when I left the theatre, I didn't like it.  My next viewing, I enjoyed it because I stoped thinking of all that was wrong, and just watched the movie.  Could JW have been made better, sure.  Would I love to watch a more serious movie with dinosaurs, Yes. But guess what, this is another action film just like ALL the other in the JP line, you just need to sit back and enjoy.

JW was fun to watch and enjoy, all the critics that I read (some I would say bearly watched the movie with some of their absurd questions and comments) have varying view points on the film.  You can tell which ones chose to not enjoy the movie and the ones that wanted to enjoy the movie.

Last comments because I am getting long winded and preachy, In the final scene with T-Rex, did it feel like he was saying (Roaring), yes the whole park is mine again.  Oh and "Blue" is my new favorite jp dinosaur character. 

[tyrantqueen]

Last comments because I am getting long winded and preachy, In the final scene with T-Rex, did it feel like he was saying (Roaring), yes the whole park is mine again.  Oh and "Blue" is my new favorite jp dinosaur character.

The Tyrannosaurus is actually a female.

[irimali]

and why the hell would owen go into its cage without knowing where it is when all it took was a phone call to find out? 

Because they all believed it escaped, since there was no sign of it on thermal imaging.

and how does indominus know how to speak to pteranodons and dimorphodons?  "rawr rawr rawr"= "go on a killing spree" in both pterosaur languages apparently.

It doesn't. You're being distracted by the way the trailer was cut together. There was zero implication that the I-rex communicated with the pterosaurs. It accidentally crashed into the aviary, and then tried eating them. They flew away and went for take out.

what kind of zoo allows people to kayak down a river and drive their own tiny hamster balls amongst huge and potentially dangerous animals?

The most awesome zoo ever.

The scene with the pterosaurs wasn't cut differently in the movie than in the trailer.  yes, there was a line in the trailer about indominus communicating with other dinosaurs that was from a different scene. but in the movie indominus roared at the pterosaurs, and then the pterosaurs all left together and made a bee line for the crowds of people on another part of the island and started slaughtering them.  if they were panicking it was strangely focused.  if they were hungry, pteranodon probably would have gone for fish and dimorphodon would have hunted for small animals in the woods.   

[ITdactyl]

I'll echo emperordinobot... the Dr. Wu explanation probably addressed all the complaints about the dinosaurs' appearance.

I went the IMAX route...
preteen boy to my right was having fits with every predator scene... and then peed his pants during an I. Rex rampage (the mom let the whole theater know by scolding him loudly).  The dad spent most of the movie giving a blow by blow scene explanation to the mom, with a few rants of dinosaurs being the work of the devil thrown in for good measure.

The little (probably younger than 6) girl to my left alternated between shaking violently and screaming (during attack scenes) to dancing and singing songs from Dora and Frozen (during moments of dialogue or herbivores).

And yet I still enjoyed the movie.
Wow.

A bit creepy and funny that my current employer is a clone of Masrani....

[Pachyrhinosaurus]

  if they were hungry, pteranodon probably would have gone for fish and dimorphodon would have hunted for small animals in the woods.   

There was a dimorphodon that flew out into the ocean, suggesting they didn't all go towards main street.

[Tyrannosauron]

Did anybody else feel that the slow motion bits felt inappropriate for a Jurassic Park movie?

Agreed. When Blue came charging in during the finale I thought that the slow motion undercut the moment and made it seem like a joke. But maybe I'm being unfair; I rarely like slow motion anyway.

I really enjoyed the movie a lot while I was watching it--the wife and I agreed that it's the best of the sequels--but I'm becoming less enthralled the more I think about it. If nothing else it serves to highlight just how special the original movie was (as if any of us needed reminding!).

[Tyrannosauron]

Also who else had a little 'hell yeah' moment when the T. rex broke through the Spinosaurus skeleton?

Yes! If I were the sort of person who cheers during a movie then I would have cheered. Nuts to the JP3 spinosaur, right? We all know who really should have won that fight.

[CityRaptor]

I'll echo emperordinobot... the Dr. Wu explanation probably addressed all the complaints about the dinosaurs' appearance.

Likely. I also consider it satifying that they point it out, like they did in the game.

preteen boy to my right was having fits with every predator scene... and then peed his pants during an I. Rex rampage (the mom let the whole theater know by scolding him loudly).  The dad spent most of the movie giving a blow by blow scene explanation to the mom, with a few rants of dinosaurs being the work of the devil thrown in for good measure.

The little (probably younger than 6) girl to my left alternated between shaking violently and screaming (during attack scenes) to dancing and singing songs from Dora and Frozen (during moments of dialogue or herbivores)

Well, that sounds lovely.  Did all those belong to the same family?

[laticauda]

Last comments because I am getting long winded and preachy, In the final scene with T-Rex, did it feel like he was saying (Roaring), yes the whole park is mine again.  Oh and "Blue" is my new favorite jp dinosaur character.

The Tyrannosaurus is actually a female.

You are correct, I wasn't even thinking of that!