JURASSIC WORLD: FALLEN KINGDOM

Loon · July 02, 2018, 07:11:29 AM

Honestly would a few loose dinosaurs cause that much of a problem in the modern world? Like, honestly a few elephants and jaguars haven't brought upon the end of society on their respective countries. The most damage I could see being done to civilization is Blue occasionally eating someone's cat. But these dinosaurs are superheroes essentially, what stiggy did at the end would have killed her instantly. If someone threw an ostrich at a wall that hard, head first, it would die.

CityRaptor · July 02, 2018, 08:54:45 AM

Yeah, I can see cnflict with humans there. Also these groups, first appearing in the viral marketing for this film, may or may not play a role.

http://www.extinctionnow.com/
https://twitter.com/Extinction_Now
Perfectly name for a group, given what species the cause for the current extinction event is...totally can see them running, pointing and screaming "Extinction Now!"
Also this:

I guess most of these were InGen's Marlboro Men and the people on bus in the San Diego incident. You know, deaths ultimately caused by human stupidity. Anyone bother to count?

And there is a second group:
http://www.antisaurusgroup.info/

I think that's a great name for a terrorist/mammal supremacist group in a scenario with sapient or at least symphatic Dinosaurs...Note how they just call themselves Mark, Eu and Bruce but otherwise remain totally anonymous, unlike the DPG.

Also realized something: Ending of JW:FK = Jurassic World Alive. Nope, haven't seen it yet, but spoilers are everywhere.

Dilopho · July 02, 2018, 09:16:36 AM

The Anti-saurus group is fanmade, but the other one is real

Mini Minmi · July 03, 2018, 11:28:19 AM

Quote from: Minmiminime on July 01, 2018, 08:00:03 PM
This film was ridiculous, unbelievable, very, very predictable, riddled with plot holes, and its message of human greed, stupidity, human-induced change, destruction, and lack of willpower/weakness in the face of change, was somewhat lost in the gross commercialisation it represents itself..!

I found it mostly utterly hilarious for all of the above factors, maybe I wasn't supposed to 🤔 But I was highly entertained, and look greatly forward to its release on Blu Ray!

@Minmiminime I think you're right, I probably had higher expectations than I realized and instead of being amused by all this, I let it get me disappointed. I'll be curious to see it again once it's outside of theatres to see if I can laugh it off and enjoy it like you did.

@Loon Well invasive species can do some serious damage onto an ecosystem. The mosasaur alone could throw the oceans out of balance, which would ravage the fishing industry and force a lot of current species into starvation and/or extinction, for example. And it could happen quite fast. Giant herbivores could quickly decimate crops and forests. Sure with current technology and weapons we could eradicate them more or less fast, but there would still be repercussions on the environment.

Dilopho · July 03, 2018, 01:03:19 PM

The mosasaur will probably go after sharks, dolphins amd whales and the like, letting smaller prey spiral out of control...

Blade-of-the-Moon · July 03, 2018, 06:20:20 PM

So far there is only one Mossie. Now if there were more or maybe it's not male or female but both sexes? That could be an issue. You can read Kronos Rising to get an idea of where that might go.

CityRaptor · July 03, 2018, 09:53:47 PM

Well, asexual reproduction has been documented in monitor lizards, and the Mosasaurus is related to them. Also Blue has Black Monitor DNA. But yeah, I would agree that a single Mosasaurus would not be such threat for the eco system. I mean what should she do? Eat the last humpback whale?

Loon · July 03, 2018, 11:30:02 PM

I can see it now, a giant mosasaurus eating whalers, its glorious.

Shadowknight1 · July 04, 2018, 12:41:34 AM

The mosasaur wouldn't pose as much of an ecological threat if InGen or Masrani didn't have Wu make it about 10 times bigger than it's supposed to be.

EDIT: Also, I just realized how stupid the plan is. To the best of my knowledge, not only is Isla Sorna not volcanically active, but it is both far enough away from Nublar to not be adversely affected by the ash cloud and has previously housed dinosaurs. Why not relocate the dinosaurs to Sorna rather than bring them to the mainland? Are these people really that stupid? You don't have to have the physical assets on site in order to sell something and Sorna would be isolated if something went wrong. And if anyone would listen to Dr. Malcolm, they'd know that something is always bound to go wrong.

Faelrin · July 04, 2018, 02:15:47 AM

They only reason they didn't is because they didn't want the next film rehashing the island locations again. Still it would have made the most sense for them to go there instead of the mainland,

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even though they were also being sold in the film.

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Blade-of-the-Moon · July 04, 2018, 04:38:55 AM

Quote from: Shadowknight1 on July 04, 2018, 12:41:34 AM
The mosasaur wouldn't pose as much of an ecological threat if InGen or Masrani didn't have Wu make it about 10 times bigger than it's supposed to be.

EDIT: Also, I just realized how stupid the plan is. To the best of my knowledge, not only is Isla Sorna not volcanically active, but it is both far enough away from Nublar to not be adversely affected by the ash cloud and has previously housed dinosaurs. Why not relocate the dinosaurs to Sorna rather than bring them to the mainland? Are these people really that stupid? You don't have to have the physical assets on site in order to sell something and Sorna would be isolated if something went wrong. And if anyone would listen to Dr. Malcolm, they'd know that something is always bound to go wrong.

But Sorna is volcanically active. I believe all of the 5 Deaths are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgez-V7nByo

CityRaptor · July 04, 2018, 09:48:41 AM

Yep. InGen chose them for that reason since they wanted to use geothermal power. At least in the books. We also don't know the exact situation on Sorna. There might be something else that prevents them from bringing them there.

As for the auction: They probably thought the bidders would be more impressed if they had the assets on site.

laticauda · July 04, 2018, 02:20:53 PM

Quote from: Minmiminime on July 01, 2018, 08:00:03 PM
This film was ridiculous, unbelievable, very, very predictable, riddled with plot holes, and its message of human greed, stupidity, human-induced change, destruction, and lack of willpower/weakness in the face of change, was somewhat lost in the gross commercialisation it represents itself..!

I found it mostly utterly hilarious for all of the above factors, maybe I wasn't supposed to 🤔 But I was highly entertained, and look greatly forward to its release on Blu Ray!

That's were I end up. After picking the movie apart a thought hit me. I felt like Maximus just asked me," are you not entertained?" It turned out I was. So the movie could have been a lot better but I was entertained.

dragon53 · July 04, 2018, 05:37:29 PM

Director JA Bayona said the doomed Brachiosaurus in FALLEN KINGDOM is the same Brachiosaurus in the original JURASSIC PARK, "That's the same brachiosaurus we saw the first time. That's the brachiosaurus Alan Grant saw for the first time in Jurassic Park... and we're bringing back even the same animation. If you take a look at the animation of the brachiosaurus, it's exactly the same one that you had in the wide shot of that scene."

Minmiminime · July 04, 2018, 06:02:41 PM

I guessed it was, as I sat there with tears streaming down my face like the big idiot I apparently am during that scene

But I mostly laughed at the rest. It distracted me from the strangely uncomfortable IMAX seating. I thought it would be more comfortable than the standard ones, turns out I was spectacularly wrong. My back still isn't right

Takama · July 04, 2018, 06:39:38 PM

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OK Believe it or not, I saw the film a Third time this past Sunday. and it had grew on me despite the sheer stupidity of the direction the film has taken.

However, No matter how hard i try, I just cant seem to feel as heart broken as some of us were when the Brachiosaurus died on the island. Mainly because it was ruined by the need to Apease peoples nastalgia with that rearing pose. And I cannot accept that this this was the same brachio from the first film. Mainly because the fact that the animation looks so diffrent. I also cannot understand how on earth they were able to get the Apatosaurus on the boats, and fit them in Lockwoods Basement. I think it would of made a more powerful scene if that Brachiosaurus was accompenyed by the apatosaurus during its death.

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Gwangi · July 04, 2018, 06:48:13 PM

Quote from: Takama on July 04, 2018, 06:39:38 PM
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OK Believe it or not, I saw the film a Third time this past Sunday. and it had grew on me despite the sheer stupidity of the direction the film has taken.

However, No matter how hard i try, I just cant seem to feel as heart broken as some of us were when the Brachiosaurus died on the island. Mainly because it was ruined by the need to Apease peoples nastalgia with that rearing pose. And I cannot accept that this this was the same brachio from the first film. Mainly because the fact that the animation looks so diffrent. I also cannot understand how on earth they were able to get the Apatosaurus on the boats, and fit them in Lockwoods Basement. I think it would of made a more powerful scene if that Brachiosaurus was accompenyed by the apatosaurus during its death.
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Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. The scene was sad for me up until the Brachiosaurus reared, then it just got too heavy handed and cheesy, made my eyes roll and ruined the scene. Like the dying soldier scenes in so many war movies that was lampooned in "Tropic Thunder".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM15AF3H-xU

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Syndicate Bias · July 04, 2018, 07:09:10 PM

I liked it. The movie isn't better than JP1 or TLW (is the best movie for me it was my childhood more than JP1)

But its better than JP3. JW did a better job but I've noticed the JW franchise is following the same steps as the JP one. With both JW and JP having a park that goes dark
And JWFK and TLW having to go to an abandoned site that has dinosaurs free roaming around that turns into bringing them to mainland while a group of heroes rescue them by freeing them and such...TLW was better though.

Watch JW 3 be like JP3 and have rexy and blue killed by a new antagonist.

Utahraptor
And Giganotosaurus

What happened to the Spinosaurus anyways?

Reptilia · July 04, 2018, 07:57:29 PM

Spinosaurus is extinct, as the entire dinosaur population of Sorna, apparently.

John · July 04, 2018, 08:00:13 PM

Quote from: Syndicate Bias on July 04, 2018, 07:09:10 PM
What happened to the Spinosaurus anyways?

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There is no mention of Spinosaurus specifically but the Mosasaurus seems to be one of a kind and the Velociraptor is explicitly stated to be so as well in the movie.The storyline hints strongly that the species that were not seen this time around (Spinosaurus,Ceratosaurus,Corythosaurus ect.) had already died out again by the start of this newest installment.

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