JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION

[Brocc21]

I hope they don't ignore this plot hole like the absence of Isla Sorna.

If I'm understanding this correct. Some time between JP2 and JW Isla Sorna was pillaged. So it is mostly abandoned of large animals.

[Takama]

I too, do not buy the fact that there are more then enough dinosaurs to take over the USA. I just dont. 

Honestly,   Fallen Kingdom was the Worst film in the Franchise so far.   I honestly thoght that the film should of ended with all the dinosaurs sufficating in that room. And end the sereis from there.

Or maybe Continue in a diffrent direction.

But no this is Copperate hollywood. 

[Kapitaenosavrvs]

With the release of Jurassic World 1 and 2, even Jurassic Park 3 suddenly got better to me.

For me, the first Jurassic Park is the best, but i guess this is mostly common opinion around here.

I saw the "new" movies one time each and they were far away from being Jurassic Park to me. Of course its even worse, when you're interested in Dinosaurs.
The only good thing, i got from this renewal of the Franchise, is Jurassic World Evolution. I can Mod the Game and change these Jurassic Park/World Animals into more accurate Animals.

To be honest, i will probably pass on going to the Cinemas for JW3. It would be REALLY weird, if they would change their course dramaticty. Its about Money.

And at last: Yes i do know what this Franchise did for the "Dinosaur World". And i love it. But not The Jurassic World Franchise.
I am Sorry to hate on Jurassic World. I could've just be silent on it. But sometimes...

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

What bothers me about the potential plot concerning Dinosaurs running amok is that there were only a few dinosaurs brought to Lockwood manor. Most of them were individuals, so the issue of these things reproducing at an alarming rate is impossible. And half of them were shipped off to whomever bought them at auction.

This is why Battle at Big Rock bugged me, despite being a neat little short. A whole family of Nasutoceratops? Where'd they come from? An adult Allosaurus? They brought back an immature Allosaurus which was taken away to a private buyer.

Unless they address this issue, there should be only about a dozen or so Dinosaurs, the Mosasaurus  and possibly a population of Pterosaurs who escaped Isla Nublar.

I hope they don't ignore this plot hole like the absence of Isla Sorna.

They brought back multiple. One is purchased by a buyer, yes, but there's at least one more which you can see during the sequence where Maisie opens the door to free the dinos. Also, there's also definitely more than a dozen dinosaurs, probably more like 20-40 as you can see here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ib3qDJJsIs

Battle at big rock is set a year after fallen kingdom, so it isn't that much of a stretch to suggest the juvenile allosaurus grew up. So yeah, that itself is not really a plot hole but I do agree that it's hard to believe they're reproducing that quickly.

It's very possible they were taking dinosaurs off the island prior to that auction, the reason for that one in specific  was the Indoraptor introduction.  It had been said poachers had pillaged Isla Sorna prior to Jurassic World opening.

Of course there is also the main plot point of Fallen Kingdom.  Why not just make more? I mean that's what Wu was all concerned about. They sell them and all of a sudden anyone with the money and tech can now make a dinosaur.

I think Klayton Fioriti has addressed just about every plot point in detail on his youtube channel by now :  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxGXULOxa0izkYfumRLHt0w

[triceratops83]

Oh well, that shut me up. Still don't recall the "pillaged by poachers" idea from the movies, and either way, it seems like a cheap, throwaway notion to cover that plot point.

Also, if a whole ecosystem on Sorna was destroyed by poachers (who could've also sold dino DNA and animals previously to these films) what chance do these animals have in a world of gun wielding pleasure hunters? Actually, at this point I'm more interested in a movie about the downfall of Isla Sorna.

On another note, it'd be cool if Dodgson and his company Biosyn was brought back in a new film, and the mischief they'd be up to. The cool thing about Jurassic Park was the animals were treated like products, and the villains were industrial espionage thieves (Not to mention Hammond and Wu themselves, for "playing God" without attempting to really understand what they'd done). The villains in Fallen Kingdom are more like James Bond Adversaries. It'd really bug me to see Alan Grant get into a fist fight with a gun toting thug on a conveyor belt or something.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

Oh well, that shut me up. Still don't recall the "pillaged by poachers" idea from the movies, and either way, it seems like a cheap, throwaway notion to cover that plot point.

Also, if a whole ecosystem on Sorna was destroyed by poachers (who could've also sold dino DNA and animals previously to these films) what chance do these animals have in a world of gun wielding pleasure hunters? Actually, at this point I'm more interested in a movie about the downfall of Isla Sorna.

On another note, it'd be cool if Dodgson and his company Biosyn was brought back in a new film, and the mischief they'd be up to. The cool thing about Jurassic Park was the animals were treated like products, and the villains were industrial espionage thieves (Not to mention Hammond and Wu themselves, for "playing God" without attempting to really understand what they'd done). The villains in Fallen Kingdom are more like James Bond Adversaries. It'd really bug me to see Alan Grant get into a fist fight with a gun toting thug on a conveyor belt or something.

Most of the Sorna discussion is from the fake websites for the DPG and other sites Universal made to tie in to the films.  Sorna had a lot of issues.  From what I recall, a lot of dinos were moved to Nublar from Sorna for JW, there were poachers before that the government couldnt stopn and a big problem, the Spinosaurus, apparently by being a super predator with an over increased attack drive wiped out a lot of dinosaurs on the island.

How the world copes with all the dinos and vice versa I'm guessing will be a big plot point, the only way they really are a major threat is if they introduce something like the DX disease from TLW novel. That was supposed to be a plot point in the film version too but was written out.  So say the dinos carry a disease that can infect humans..that turns the tables a bit.

I'd like to see Dodgson and Biosyn back myself.

[Sarapaurolophus]

And at last: Yes i do know what this Franchise did for the "Dinosaur World". And i love it. But not The Jurassic World Franchise.
I am Sorry to hate on Jurassic World. I could've just be silent on it. But sometimes...

Honestly, I am so tired of people going "but JP's legacy!" because we all should have realized by now that the entire franchise is stuck in its tracks and has nothing to do with philosophical or scientific discourse anymore. It's just monster movies now and they admit to that in creating all these new dinosaurs from scratch and having them smash into each other with little consequence as if they are Transformers and not living animals.
I finally got around to watching JW 2 a few days ago and was only able to because I had a friend with me to riff it. When the Brachiosaurus did her trick with the hind legs we laughed because it was such an obvious tearjerker. It was like "hey remember me, you like me, right? Oh noooo, ahhh I am melting. What a wooorld, what a Jurassic Wooorld".

And then it gets right back to Creepysaurus smirking and climbing on roof tops and smashing into everything. Why should I get emotionally invested in that. I am a grown woman who still cries when Littlefoot's mother dies but I start laughing when a JW dinosaur I am supposed to know and love kicks the bucket? Either something is wrong with me or these movies and I think it's them, not me. It's why I broke up with them.

[Takama]

Oh i just heard that Two Theator Chains (Regal Cinamas, and AMC) Will not be showing any future Universial films Including JW:Dominon

[triceratops83]

Most of the Sorna discussion is from the fake websites for the DPG and other sites Universal made to tie in to the films.  Sorna had a lot of issues.  From what I recall, a lot of dinos were moved to Nublar from Sorna for JW, there were poachers before that the government couldnt stopn and a big problem, the Spinosaurus, apparently by being a super predator with an over increased attack drive wiped out a lot of dinosaurs on the island.

How the world copes with all the dinos and vice versa I'm guessing will be a big plot point, the only way they really are a major threat is if they introduce something like the DX disease from TLW novel. That was supposed to be a plot point in the film version too but was written out.  So say the dinos carry a disease that can infect humans..that turns the tables a bit.

I'd like to see Dodgson and Biosyn back myself.

I still think the Sorna issue should be addressed in the movies, having to peruse message boards to find answers just allows for lazy script writing.

The only problem I have with the prion disease wrecking havoc among humans is that it was basically done in the new Planet of the Apes movies. Plus, I'm sure people aren't ecstatic in these times to watch an escapist adventure that features a pandemic.

I'm curious though if they find a way to bring Velociraptors (aside from Blue) back, I'm pretty sure they weren't captured in FK. I remember hearing talk about wild Raptors on Nublar, but since it was so important to bring Blue back for her DNA, I'm guessing they didn't have any alternative. And a Jurassic film without multiple Raptors seems a bit lacking. Unless Blue's a lot smarter than we thought and gets her hands on nuclear missile launch codes or something.

[Gwangi]

Most of the Sorna discussion is from the fake websites for the DPG and other sites Universal made to tie in to the films.  Sorna had a lot of issues.  From what I recall, a lot of dinos were moved to Nublar from Sorna for JW, there were poachers before that the government couldnt stopn and a big problem, the Spinosaurus, apparently by being a super predator with an over increased attack drive wiped out a lot of dinosaurs on the island.

How the world copes with all the dinos and vice versa I'm guessing will be a big plot point, the only way they really are a major threat is if they introduce something like the DX disease from TLW novel. That was supposed to be a plot point in the film version too but was written out.  So say the dinos carry a disease that can infect humans..that turns the tables a bit.

I'd like to see Dodgson and Biosyn back myself.

I still think the Sorna issue should be addressed in the movies, having to peruse message boards to find answers just allows for lazy script writing.

The only problem I have with the prion disease wrecking havoc among humans is that it was basically done in the new Planet of the Apes movies. Plus, I'm sure people aren't ecstatic in these times to watch an escapist adventure that features a pandemic.

I'm curious though if they find a way to bring Velociraptors (aside from Blue) back, I'm pretty sure they weren't captured in FK. I remember hearing talk about wild Raptors on Nublar, but since it was so important to bring Blue back for her DNA, I'm guessing they didn't have any alternative. And a Jurassic film without multiple Raptors seems a bit lacking. Unless Blue's a lot smarter than we thought and gets her hands on nuclear missile launch codes or something.

I completely agree, I'm tired of plot holes in movies being excusable due to the existence of expanded universe crap. I don't follow expanded universe stuff, just the movies and the movies should make sense and stand on their own without that crutch. I don't want to visit fake websites, or read a comic, I just want to watch the movie. I have no issue with that stuff existing, it's fun for the fans, but I feel like movie writers are using them as badaids for lazy writing.

Not only do I think they'll bring back Velociraptors, I think they'll also be accurate. Up until now we've only seen Ingen's version of the Velociraptor. But now the technology will be wide spread, someone might actually clone accurate dinosaurs. I would love a scene where Dr. Grant gets to see a "real" Velociraptor. Steve Brusatte is now a consultant so that makes me hopeful. These movies have been pushing the "these aren't real dinosaurs" narrative so a sub-plot involving real dinosaurs would tie it together nicely. Maybe just wishful thinking of course, but I have a hunch. 

[Sarapaurolophus]

@Gwangi
Ever since the first JW came out I've been hoping for something like this. I know these movies are not here to educate people on dinosaurs but with the mass appeal they have and the narrative they've been going with it would make so much sense to have one or two other characters in the palaeo field pointing out the obvious.
Or maybe a rival genetic institute going "look, folks, all these years we've been secretly developping these to counter the InGen creations" - just give us anything that could get this franchise back to having just a tiny bit of palaeo talk again.

Not gonna happen but my ideal scenario would be someone with a pet velociraptor that looks and behaves normal (=not a crazy killing machine) or a microraptor that sits on someone's shoulder.
I openly admit I'd like to see more dino pets. If they can't give me a Dinotopia movie I'll take these scraps.

[leidy]

I absolutely hated Jurassic World.
Almost everything was wrong in this movie that felt like a Disney show.
The script was written by a 8 years old child.
The only scene I enjoyed was the part with the dinosaurs babies, that was brilliant, all the rest was crap.
Good special effects is not enough to make a good movie.
I do love dinosaurs, but even then, I can recognize a garbage movie.
On top of all the mistakes, it just felt empty, no real mature thematic, nothing.

Actually the only really good Jurassic Park was the first one for me, after that they tried to make it a family entertainement.
Lost World's plot was a bit convoluted, and Jurassic Park 3 was its complete opposite.
I actually would have enjoyed Jurassic Park 3 simple context more, if it was not that naive with an expected happy ending.

They both are way below JP1, but they are still good entertainement.
Jurassic Park World isn't even that.
And it's killing me to see so many people enjoying it.
That means they can keep doing the same crap movies over and over, the public will ask for more.
I haven't watched Fallen Kingdom yet, and don't really plan to, or just to see how bad it can be.

A new good and mature Jurassic Park movie would be just a dream.

Forget about the Jurassic Park franchise suddenly turning quality.  That would require a ground up reboot.

If you ever watch Fallen Kingdom, set your expectations low.

I've seen all of these movies theatrically, and as much as I hated many of the creative decisions of Jurassic World (Indominus rex, militarized raptors), it was by far the best received of these movies since Jurassic Park.  It delivered the thrills, and it really went over very well.  It got all the right reactions from the crowd.  Fallen Kingdom was very much the opposite, getting derisive laughs at pivotal dramatic moments.  It made JP2 look like a really solid movie, and JP3 look like a triumph.   

At this stage anything they do isn't going to destroy the reputation of the series.  Don't judge them on the accuracy of the dinosaurs, don't judge them on whether the plot is water tight, don't expect everything to be coherently explained in a way that makes sense.  Judge them purely on entertainment value and whether the human storyline works.

They can't mess it up much worse, and if they do, I'm not going to be terribly upset about it.  They could go full on Tiger King with it, have redneck exotic animal breeders get their hands on some dinosaurs they are laughably ill-equiped to handle, and InGen are only involved because no one will say where the dna came from and they think their copyrights are being infringed.  I wouldn't care. 


   

[Kapitaenosavrvs]

And at last: Yes i do know what this Franchise did for the "Dinosaur World". And i love it. But not The Jurassic World Franchise.
I am Sorry to hate on Jurassic World. I could've just be silent on it. But sometimes...

Honestly, I am so tired of people going "but JP's legacy!" because we all should have realized by now that the entire franchise is stuck in its tracks and has nothing to do with philosophical or scientific discourse anymore. It's just monster movies now and they admit to that in creating all these new dinosaurs from scratch and having them smash into each other with little consequence as if they are Transformers and not living animals.
I finally got around to watching JW 2 a few days ago and was only able to because I had a friend with me to riff it. When the Brachiosaurus did her trick with the hind legs we laughed because it was such an obvious tearjerker. It was like "hey remember me, you like me, right? Oh noooo, ahhh I am melting. What a wooorld, what a Jurassic Wooorld".

And then it gets right back to Creepysaurus smirking and climbing on roof tops and smashing into everything. Why should I get emotionally invested in that. I am a grown woman who still cries when Littlefoot's mother dies but I start laughing when a JW dinosaur I am supposed to know and love kicks the bucket? Either something is wrong with me or these movies and I think it's them, not me. It's why I broke up with them.

Thats what i kind of tried to say. It is and was Hollywood. They managed to create something really spectacular, back in the Day and it still is. They moved on. Most of the People want Mosters. Its a Hollywoodmovie. As you said, emotional investment just makes it maybe worse than it actually it. And i do not have this Investment in this Franchise. And i am absolutely okay with it. It is just a Movie (my younger me would instantly hunt me down for this).

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@Gwangi
Ever since the first JW came out I've been hoping for something like this. I know these movies are not here to educate people on dinosaurs but with the mass appeal they have and the narrative they've been going with it would make so much sense to have one or two other characters in the palaeo field pointing out the obvious.
Or maybe a rival genetic institute going "look, folks, all these years we've been secretly developping these to counter the InGen creations" - just give us anything that could get this franchise back to having just a tiny bit of palaeo talk again.

Not gonna happen but my ideal scenario would be someone with a pet velociraptor that looks and behaves normal (=not a crazy killing machine) or a microraptor that sits on someone's shoulder.
I openly admit I'd like to see more dino pets. If they can't give me a Dinotopia movie I'll take these scraps.

+1

Forget about the Jurassic Park franchise suddenly turning quality.  That would require a ground up reboot.

The Franchise works. Money flows. Maybe, we'll get a modernized version of WwD in the Future. Since i prefer my Dinosaurs on screen without annoying humans and their problems. I like to see the Animals as Animals. Not as Killingmachines.

[dragon53]

JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION---producer Frank Marshall hinted that more sequels are in the future when he said DOMINION is, "the start of a new era...The dinosaurs are now on mainland amongst us and they will be for quite some time, I hope."

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

how long til we reach equilibrium? thats the story now.

[Sarapaurolophus]

I wonder how they will explain dinosaurs just multiplying like rabbits and new toys species suddenly popping up without someone producing them in a lab.

"Dinosaurs living with humans" is my favorite movie scenario but not based on the second JW where we saw only a select few animals made it out alive.

And most importantly: how many goats will die to sustain all the predators?

It honestly would be funny to see them try to explain that all dinos went back to fill their niches so most other animals were on the verge of extinction due to being much smaller and less adapted to new predators and giant plant eating competition.

[Shonisaurus]

What I'm wondering is this: Can't dinosaurs displace humans as the dominant species on earth in this new movie? Will the Earth end up being the "planet of the dinosaurs"?

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I wonder how they will explain dinosaurs just multiplying like rabbits and new toys species suddenly popping up without someone producing them in a lab.

"Dinosaurs living with humans" is my favorite movie scenario but not based on the second JW where we saw only a select few animals made it out alive.

And most importantly: how many goats will die to sustain all the predators?

It honestly would be funny to see them try to explain that all dinos went back to fill their niches so most other animals were on the verge of extinction due to being much smaller and less adapted to new predators and giant plant eating competition.

I'm sure they will continue to made in a lab, that was one of the points of the last film.  Everyone has the technology now, I'm sure some will "forget" to make them all female. 

I don't see them as a plague, but an invasive species perhaps?  One that can't be easily regulated.  Imagine Grizzlies the size of a T-Rex.  But those are rare.  Maybe giant apatosaur sized elephants? We will deal with those the same way.   

The only way I see any break down of society or threat to our rule of the planet would be crazy scenarios like the dinos carry a disease like DX that infects humans or they breed so fast we cant control them. 

[CityRaptor]

Yep, I agree with Blade here.  The fact that it is no longer limited to InGen's animals is probably the deciding factor rather than the escaped ones.  Battle at Big Rock also did not hint at any big changes caused by the escaped ones yet. Okay, some encounters with dinosaurs, but not quite "Dinosaurs Attack!".

What I'm wondering is this: Can't dinosaurs displace humans as the dominant species on earth in this new movie? Will the Earth end up being the "planet of the dinosaurs"?

Came to mind.

[John]

JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION---producer Frank Marshall hinted that more sequels are in the future when he said DOMINION is, "the start of a new era...The dinosaurs are now on mainland amongst us and they will be for quite some time, I hope."

If this movie doesn't pull in Avengers:Endgame level record breaking numbers,then this WILL be the finale of the series!