JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION

[Dynomikegojira]

When Marty McFly plays "Jonny B. Goode" in Back to the Future on a Gibson ES-345, does anyone care that that guitar wouldn't have been released for another 3 years after that scene takes place? Guitar people might, but no one else does, and so it is the same thing with regards to the dinosaurs in the Jurassic Park/World franchise. I would prefer it if the right dinosaurs were interacting with each other in this flashback scene, but I understand why they aren't. They want to showcase specific dinosaurs for a wow factor, and those dinosaurs probably tie into the story too somehow.

Couldn't agree more. I think a lot of people in the Paleo community forget that our science doesn't really effect the broader scope of things in the real world. Spinosaurus had a tail fin, that's really interesting. But it doesn't help get the bills paid if you know what I mean. A lot of the people going to see the new Jurassic Park wont be dino nerds like us. Just people who wanna see a cool movie or some parents who want to give the kids something to do for 2 hours. And if some dinosaurs not being in the correct time zones in a made up film universe is a big deal for you, I think your just looking a little to into it.

Realistically how can you justify Moros and Tyrannosaurus coexisting at the same time from what this prologue sounds like when Moros or a close relative lead to the existence of Tyrannosaurus.

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Also I think some of you are missing the fact that this whole sequence is a story telling element. We see a Giganotosaur kill a T.rex in the past. And then later in the film Rexy will fight Biosyns cloned Giga.It may not be accurate but it makes for an interesting plot.

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We acknowledge it's a story telling device but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. Colin Treverow is literally ignore the unique premise of Jurassic Park where multiple species coexist for the first time because of human technology.

That's not why these movies are unique. They're unique because they have a strong message (or had anyway), great acting (sometimes) and also have Dinosaurs in them. Them not being from the same places in time isnt the general appeal to the public.

The Triceratops scene begs otherwise like Flaffy said earlier. Just accept that people have an issue with the changes and stop using general audience as an excuse or a counter to our views.

[HD-man]

Really cool how every Jurassic World thread is still being used to pointlessly complain about inaccuracies. It's tiring, boring and utterly unimpressive at this point.

Kinda hypocritical given that you spent multiple pages of another JW thread complaining that certain parts of the original books shouldn't be adapted for the movies. Just sayin': http://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=8177.60

[Reuben03]

Really cool how every Jurassic World thread is still being used to pointlessly complain about inaccuracies. It's tiring, boring and utterly unimpressive at this point.

if we don't moan, we won't get anywhere. it's time for the Jurassic franchise to grow up. there is no room for outdated depictions for outdated depictions sake anymore.

[PumperKrickel]

Really cool how every Jurassic World thread is still being used to pointlessly complain about inaccuracies. It's tiring, boring and utterly unimpressive at this point.

Kinda hypocritical given that you spent multiple pages of another JW thread complaining that certain parts of the original books shouldn't be adapted for the movies. Just sayin': http://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=8177.60

Ah yes, the discussion where you argued the baby in Battle at the Big Rock deserved to die for crying. Very relevant. Which original book had an Allosaurus devour a baby again?

it's time for the Jurassic franchise to grow up. there is no room for outdated depictions for outdated depictions sake anymore.

At least wait until the movie is out, then. The glee with which some people come down on Dominion based only on rumours makes it hard to believe there's a genuine interest in improvement. Like when the horned Giganotosaurus toy was leaked and it was immediately used as an excuse to make fun of how stupid and inaccurate the franchise is, despite obviously not reflecting the real design. And let's be honest here, even if the dinosaurs in Dominion were 95% accurate, this forum would focus on the missing 5%.

[dragon53]

JURASSIC WORLD: DOMINION---Colin Trevorrow said DOMINION will be connected to the JURASSIC WORLD: CAMP CRETACEOUS animated tv series, "It will, yeah. I've been lucky enough to spend a lot of time with the writers of the show and I've shared everything from DOMINION with them, and I've been pretty intimately involved in the seasons and what we've been building. So we wanted to make sure that when we look back on it all, that everything is going to weave together."

[KeU]

Good to hear, would love to see a link. But yeah I guess I'll just have to deal with it, it's just I expected some kind of paleo accuracy when they vowed to go on that path this time.

I can't find where I read about a leaner design for the Giga anymore.
But will keep looking.
I read from a number of sites when the JWD info explosion happened last week.

Even if she ended up killing the Giga, people might get the wrong perception that t.rex isn't all that superior physically to Giga when in reality its much robust, bulky body and heavier weight should give it a much bigger advantage in a fight. And that flashback t.rex who lost to the Giga better be due to some handicap like a surprise ambush, it would look silly if a near deathbed Rexy won the fight while a healthy, young prime rex lost in a square fight lol.

Superior physically can mean so many things though.
I think you meant strength specifically yeah?
Eliud Kipchoge is physically superior than me, but I doubt he is stronger.
Still not outside the realm of possibility that a Giga can take down a Rex in a square fight, too many factors at play.
Ignoring that they are both together at the same time period.
And I thought folks like the underdog story, the one less likely to win always wins in movies. Just kidding.
I will still put money on a Rex. It's a safer bet.

[Halichoeres]

I don't usually pipe up in JW threads, but here's my two cents.

In my opinion this franchise has been pretty bad since 1995, when Crichton perfunctorily dropped the mediocre Lost World novel. I read it and watched the movie and that was enough to kill my interest in the stories. I gave JW a chance because I was traveling with friends when it was in theatres and it's what the group wanted to do. I really disliked it, haven't watched JWFK, and don't plan to watch Dominion (it's mostly not because of accuracy issues, it's mostly because they're poorly written and poorly acted). I try to avoid giving the franchise money, although I've bought a small handful of the Mattel figures. If you don't like the way the franchise is going, I invite you to join me in boycotting it, as was suggested earlier in the thread. It's going to be hard for good paleo media to break through if people keep giving money to bad paleo media. That's all I'll say on the subject.

Edited to add: Some of the discussion made me think of this gag from The Simpsons

[HD-man]

Ah yes, the discussion where you argued the baby in Battle at the Big Rock deserved to die for crying. Very relevant. Which original book had an Allosaurus devour a baby again?

Ah yes, ignoring the arguments at hand & putting words in my mouth, just like you did in the JW:BaBR thread.

At least wait until the movie is out, then. The glee with which some people come down on Dominion based only on rumours makes it hard to believe there's a genuine interest in improvement. Like when the horned Giganotosaurus toy was leaked and it was immediately used as an excuse to make fun of how stupid and inaccurate the franchise is, despite obviously not reflecting the real design. And let's be honest here, even if the dinosaurs in Dominion were 95% accurate, this forum would focus on the missing 5%.

I can't speak for everyone, but I've already established that I'm extremely disappointed (as opposed to gleeful) b/c Trevorrow et al. spent so much time hyping ppl up about Brusatte being the new advisor & Dominion being more accurate only to undermine/contradict all that for stupidly-unnecessary reasons.

[MLMjp]

And this is why discussing the JP/JW films in this forum is incredibly frustrating and discouraging.

The inevitable clash between the supporters and the boycotters.

Im surprised it took that long for the arguments to start, honestly.

I always dreamed of talking about the JP films with other dinosaur lovers since I have no friends that love dinosaurs like me, but it seems this is not the place for that.

PD: You are still great guys to discuss about figures and new discoveries.

[Dynomikegojira]

And this is why discussing the JP/JW films in this forum is incredibly frustrating and discouraging.

The inevitable clash between the supporters and the boycotters.

Im surprised it took that long for the arguments to start, honestly.

I always dreamed of talking about the JP films with other dinosaur lovers since I have no friends that love dinosaurs like me, but it seems this is not the place for that.

PD: You are still great guys to discuss about figures and new discoveries.

I think everyone here liked the 1st Jurassic Park as far as the other films are concerned they've always been devisive. As someone who generally likes all the Jurassic films I believe certain plot points run counter to the original and that's why we are stating our opinions about that. You can disagree with us and that's fine any fandom needs debates and discussion before it show how diverse our fandom is.

[HD-man]

I think everyone here liked the 1st Jurassic Park as far as the other films are concerned they've always been devisive. As someone who generally likes all the Jurassic films I believe certain plot points run counter to the original and that's why we are stating our opinions about that. You can disagree with us and that's fine any fandom needs debates and discussion before it show how diverse our fandom is.

This. I have no problem w/other ppl (dis)liking the JP sequel movies or different ideas for said movies, especially if they explain why (which helps me understand their POV). My problem is w/those who troll these threads (E.g. P************), trying to invalidate other ppl's reasons for (dis)liking what they (dis)like & then trying to make it personal when called out on it. That's what happened in the JW:BaBR thread & what seems to be happening in this thread, hence my previous 2 posts.

@Halichoeres Yeah, I wouldn't recommend JWFK. RickRaptor105's review sums up everything you need to know about it. More specifically, "If all you care about are dinosaurs chasing people, you will love [JWFK]...but a problem is Jurassic Park used to be about much more than that. The first movie had great characters with great interactions and actual ethical discussions. If you remove Jurassic Park's heart and intelligence, you get Jurassic Park 3. If you add additional stupidity, you get [JWFK]". That said, I highly recommend Camp Cretaceous on Netflix. It's the only JP sequel I can honestly describe as having "great characters with great interactions and actual ethical discussions", especially in S3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5G0OdV8sY0&t=901s

[PumperKrickel]

I always dreamed of talking about the JP films with other dinosaur lovers since I have no friends that love dinosaurs like me, but it seems this is not the place for that.

I think this perfectly sums up why the negativity in these threads irritates me this much. Because it actively discourages people from enjoying and sharing something that's important to them.

H @HD-man I have reported the post in which you accused me of trolling and don't see any value in further discussions with you. Please respect this decision.

[stargatedalek]

I can see both sides to both arguments here.

Per accuracy;

It's entirely fair to say that if we don't complain about it, the filmmakers won't know that anyone wants that to change. This goes for anything you want changed and I have little tolerance for people who are quick to responses like "but words don't matter" or "stop wasting your energy". Mind you, my tolerance for such arguments has been severely eaten away by their use in bad faith politics (IE; "why do LGBT rights matter when racism still exists? you should focus your energy on stopping racism!"), but I think it still applies to situations that are far less serious than my example. Will complaining about inaccurate dinosaurs make them change the movie? Probably not, but who knows if theyn would even be going as far as they are with it if people hadn't complained. Just not buying something isn't inherently enough because that only sends the message that people didn't buy it, not why.

But on the other hand, a lot of these accusations of inaccuracy are happening in borderline bad faith. I see a lot of people bashing inaccuracies based on unsubstantiated leaks and rumours, some of which already ended up being provably misinterpreted (IE; the old Giga design leak). And a few people are already bashing this movie based solely on their assumptions of how and why it will be inaccurate. I get that this is an upcoming movie and discussing leaks and rumours can be part of the fun for some people, but a lot of people are taking them as gospel and then in turn taking that to heart, and getting upset over stuff that isn't even real. I'm not sure if I would say I'm angry, as some people here are, or just weirdly disappointed in the childishness.

Also, the

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Deinonychus

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are inaccurate because they are meant to be the evil villains, the

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Pyroraptor and/or Atrociraptor

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are the ones that are meant to be accurate or at least "more accurate". Please stop getting up in arms over this and claiming it's false advertising or wasting their advisors because this is explained already in what we do know for certain of the plot.

Per bad narratives'/writing/etc.;

I've been quite open about not liking JW before. I dislike that it redesigned most of the dinosaurs into bland grey boring blobs (poor Stegosaurus, they were so beautiful in JP2...), I dislike how it handles most of its characters, I dislike how it squanders most of its actors best talents (Chris Pratt not being allowed to be funny in a goofy action movie should be an instant trip to director purgatory, lol), I dislike how it often feels like it's insulting the previous sequels, and I really dislike more or less everything about how the movie handles and pushes Claire's arc and narrative. I've said I thought it was actively sexist before and I still stand by that. And people should always feel free to bring up or talk about issues they have with a piece of media when that media is being discussed.

But, there is an awful lot to like about Jurassic World. It doesn't outweigh the negatives if you ask me, but no matter what even the most objective problems or critiques are always going to be subjective in the degree to which they impact an individual persons enjoyment. I can easily understand how the films exciting action sequences can outweigh the negatives, how just having the franchise back can feel fun enough to be fine with the shots it takes at the earlier sequels, etc. And as someone who loves this franchise overall and at least solid likes all of the other movies, I absolutely get how discouraging it is to see people constantly reiterate the same complaints about what feel like Cinemasins tier petty nonsense. "Waah movie physics" and "Raagh stupid nostalgia bait" day in and day out tends to leave people ticked a little bit off.



So with all of this in mind, could we maybe try and calm down a little, all of us? I feel like I'm normally the one being justifiably asked to calm down but all of this, not just this argument but the majority of this thread, is just hard to watch.

[Stegotyranno420]

@Halichoeres its always really cool when you bring up Simpsons references in here, thanks

[MLMjp]

And its not like I cant find issues in the films.

I totally understand the dislike for Fallen Kingdom as I also think that movie has a lot of problems. Do I enjoy it? yeah, it has it moments, but man, it is not a good movie in my opinion.

As for the other films, love the first one, really like The Lost World, used to dislike JP3 but now I think is rather meh, but enjoyable, and I really like Jurassic World despite having some issues.

And of course I am 50% excited and 50% worried for Dominion, since I also think some of Trevorrow's ideas arent the best. But I do think the guy has passion, but he makes mistakes.

[HD-man]

I have reported the post in which you accused me of trolling and don't see any value in further discussions with you. Please respect this decision.

Already reported your previous posts for trolling, but since you insist on trolling me, consider yourself ignored going forward.

P.S. You're not 1 to talk about respect given your history of ad hominem attacks:

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E.g. Your "revenge fantasy" comment in the JW:BaBR thread.

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[Stegotyranno420]

Guys, I know I am in no authority to tell you to stop fighting, but just think about it, there is not reason to be so petty. Both of you are really cool people. Pumperkrickel was one of my first friends here and thought me about the unity of the forum, and HD man always seems to have cool information with him. We are missing the ideals that make us a community, an identity. It's okay to have different opinions, but throughout my time here so far, I noticed its not okay to use opinions as justification for insults. Once again, I'm sorry if I'm acting all preachy.

[Faelrin]

@MLMjp

And of course I am 50% excited and 50% worried for Dominion, since I also think some of Trevorrow's ideas arent the best. But I do think the guy has passion, but he makes mistakes.

That just about sums up my thoughts on this. To focus on some positives (other then the many upcoming figures next year),

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I am very much excited about the original trio returning, and I will not miss my chance to see them together again.

Based on the one interview I shared earlier, I'm kind of glad the arcs will be split up for a while before converging. I want there to be at least some moments where we can just focus and enjoy them being back together again. I'm sure this bit was probably discussed by me or others here, but as usual my memory is trash. I will be curious to see if Dr. Grant will meet Blue at some point, and how that may be addressed. Although still dangerous she's definitely been shown to be a different breed from the beasts from the first film, and the third as well, or even her own sisters like Delta. And since it has been a while since I watched JPIII I wonder if Dr. Grant has retained the 3D printed raptor throat whistle thing after all this time?

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I've already expressed my concerns earlier in the thread so I need not repeat them (which is also based on limited information anyways, which may or may not be true yet, aside from what has already been confirmed).

[HD-man]

@MLMjp I like that your JP/JW rankings are basically the same as mine. The main difference is that my rankings have more ties: 1st JP (great), then CC (good), then JP2 & JW (bad), & then JP3 & JWFK (terrible). JWFK is definitely more boring than JP3 (I.e. The dioramas in Lockwood's mansion are, to me, the most interesting things in FK), but I'm not sure it's more stupid/annoying. At least some would argue that it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5G0OdV8sY0

As for Dominion, I'm still excited about the premise (which, unlike that of FK, hasn't really been done before) & tone, but less so than before b/c of the prologue news & how it undermines/contradicts what Trevorrow et al. previously said.

@Stegotyranno420 Many thanks for the kind words. & no worries about coming off as preachy, I understand the feeling. In any case, I've already updated my ignore list, so hopefully that's done & over w/.

[ITdactyl]

Ouch, bad eh? Some of my favorite dinosaur moments were from JP:TLW but yeah, as a movie I can't say it was stellar.

Back on topic, apparently Dominion will continue the tradition from BaBR of having some "found footage". I'm happy we'll be seeing BaBR Allosaurus and Mosasaurus again, but a bit sad they're relegated to cameos.  I was really hoping they'd show the world reacting to those 2 big predators - now I'm just hoping they won't suffer the same fate as the "Pirates of the Caribbean" Kraken (Calamari'd off-screen).

I haven't been following the Dominion twitter feed (I only browse Twitter if a member here shares a link) - is it true they tweeted the design of the new raptors, then immediately deleted it afterwards?  That's weird. Either someone really made a mistake, or someone's fishing for feedback.