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Mattel--New for 2020

Started by suspsy, July 23, 2019, 07:43:43 PM

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Appalachiosaurus

#100
Quote from: suspsy on September 19, 2019, 03:24:28 AM
If those Attack Pack figures really are Callovosaurus and Segisaurus, then I find them very odd choices. I'm all for diversity and unique species, but there are plenty of dinosaurs which are known from abundant fossil remains and have rarely or never appeared in any toy lines. Whereas Segisaurus is known only from assorted fragments and Callovosaurus is literally just half a leg bone.

Mattel could have easily gone with Coelophysis and Camptosaurus instead.

Segisaurus is one of the dinosaurs cloned by InGen but we never saw on screen, and Callovosaurus was in some editions of the first book. Whoever wrote that article is clearly trying their hardest to link the toys to the canon, which is also probably why they guessed Ornitholestes for the theropod which is very clearly not an Ornitholestes.


australovenator

yikes. :(
I saw a small picture of the Cryolophosaurus this morning and thought it looked pretty good, but seeing a better one in this thread, pretty disappointing. Edmontosaurus looks nice enough, but I'm not really sold on anything yet, perhaps that will change when I see them in person.

Faelrin

Honestly I don't think the iguanodontid is an Attack Pack. Look at the tail. It looks to have a similar mechanism like the dual attack figures. If it actually is a larger figure then it might not be Callovosaurus at all (not that I would be against having that). I would be interested in that brown and white striped theropod being Ceolophysis too, which would be fitting considering the Postosuchus.

And yes I certainly would want some additional stegosaurids for my collection (such as Kentrosaurus), since it is probably the only major group that lacks species in the line other then ornithomimosaurs which only has a figure of Gallimimus, and dromaeosaurids which have a plethora of Velociraptor/Deinonychus, give or take the fictional hybrid Indoraptor, but nothing else. After 2020, we'll have a total of:

-4 spinosaurids (Baryonyx, Suchomimus, Spinosaurus, and possibly Ichthyovenator)
-3 (or 1) species of pachycephalosaurids (Pachycephalosaurus, Dracorex, and Stygimoloch)
-6 or 7 ceratopsian species (Triceratops, one mislabeled Pachyrhinosaurus, Sinoceratops, Styracosaurus, Nasutoceratops, Protoceratops, and Microceratus)
-4 tyrannosaurids (including the rex, Albertosaurus, Tarbosaurus, and Alioramus, give or take Proceratosaurus too, since it was a tyrannosauroid)
-3 species belonging to Ankylosauria (Ankylosaurus, Minmi, and Sauropelta)
-2 hadrosaurids (Parasaurolophus, and Edmontosaurus), and with this mystery iguanodontid, 3 ornithopods
-2 sauropods (and 1 prosauropod, the Mussaurus), the Amargasaurus and Brachiosaurus
-maybe 2 abelisaurs (if one of them is a Majungasaurus)
-5 species of pterosaurs (Dimorphodon, Pteranodon, Tapejara, Quetzalcoatlus, and the Rhamph)

I could certainly use more marine reptiles too, like an Ichthyosaurus.

Sorry if any of the names got butchered. I'm going to be heading to bed now, and can fix it tomorrow.
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terrorchicken

^Im surprised they haven't made a utahraptor, since there was one in the Kenner Lost World line. I'm hoping for more Permian era reptiles too like lycaenops and estemmenosuchus.


Quote from: Takama on September 19, 2019, 12:45:30 AM
Quote from: terrorchicken on September 19, 2019, 12:21:11 AM
so the Safari ltd edmontosaurus is no longer accurate b/c it lacks a crest? Too bad, its such a nice figure with a pose that works well paired with another figure. I guess it could stand in for a hadrosaurus?

The safari figure represents E.regelis,  the Edmontosaurus species known to have had a crest.

So yes,  its no longer acurate because of that.

As far as i know. E.annectons does not have a crest.  Or at least not from the current specimens we have of it.

thanks for the info. So it could stand in for E.annectons then.

Loon

Quote from: terrorchicken on September 19, 2019, 06:14:28 PM
^Im surprised they haven't made a utahraptor, since there was one in the Kenner Lost World line.

They would have to differentiate it from the other raptors somehow. They'd either make it really big, like Roarivore size, or give it feathers, or both.

Takama

Quote from: Loon on September 19, 2019, 11:42:49 PM
Quote from: terrorchicken on September 19, 2019, 06:14:28 PM
^Im surprised they haven't made a utahraptor, since there was one in the Kenner Lost World line.

They would have to differentiate it from the other raptors somehow. They'd either make it really big, like Roarivore size, or give it feathers, or both.

I for one Would LOVE For Mattel to make a Rorivore sized Utahraptor.   Im suprised that they did not make one yet, since it would make for an interesting species for the line (Even if it looks like a Larger version of there Velociraptor, Somthing that i know that the original Kenner toy was)

Loon

avatar_Takama @Takama I'm shocked too, especially cuz I'm sure people would love a big raptor with movie accurate sound effects.

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Faelrin

Yeah Utahraptor would be great to have, and it is quite the popular species. Hopefully someday.
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Dilopho

It'd be pretty hard to differentiate, because they've already done so many colours of Velociraptor, but they could easily give it some new physical features like a crest of feathers or quills.

Personally, I'd like to see a Deinonychus with the JWE design. I thought it was brilliant to give it a weird wattle on its head, I love random speculative features like that. And it really does differentiate it from the Velociraptors.

I've seen a few versions of Utahraptor that give it small triangular brow horns, which makes no sense but looks wonderful, so maybe they could also do that.

By the way, is that possible, do you think? For Utahraptor to have small horns? I'm sure it's not impossible for a large raptor to have weird display features. Maybe they would build up from calluses or something, or be keratin.

suspsy

Unless Mattel plans on making a Utahrator with plumage and non-pronated hands (the latter is admittedly likely), I'd rather they not make one at all. Or any other dromaeosaurs. Their Mononykus was disappointing enough.
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Funk

QuoteBy the way, is that possible, do you think? For Utahraptor to have small horns? I'm sure it's not impossible for a large raptor to have weird display features. Maybe they would build up from calluses or something, or be keratin.
During the days were the style of Gregory S. Paul dominated, dromaosaurs and pretty much all maniraptorans were depicted with small lacrimal horns in front of the eyes. This seems to have stemmed from the way GSP tended to interpret every bump or ridge on theropod skulls as representing where keratinous structures attached. But the tiny spikes in front of the eyes of dromaeosaurs seem more like those seen in the skulls of modern birds that simply show where the "brow" over the eye begins, similar to the palpebral bone of some ornithischians, which wasn't a horn either.

So in short, if dromaeosaurs had such horns, we would probably see hints of them on their skulls, but that of course doesn't rule out wattles. No dromaeosaurs with soft tissue preservation shows such features, though.

yankeetrex

Quote from: Funk on September 18, 2019, 01:19:05 AM
Yikes, not even a hyper-extendible claw? Can't even live up to the accuracy of a 1980s Troodon...

Its because they used the JP compsognathus as their base, pretty obvious

Loon

#112
I'm not expecting too much accuracy from a Mattel figure; so, I wouldn't mind if a Mattel Uthraptor looked like this custom:


(Credit to Kyle Brandon Bishop on Facebook)


Funk

#113
QuoteIts because they used the JP compsognathus as their base, pretty obvious
Not so sure, the hands are obviously not based on the compys, as they are pretty long with three fingers, while the compys have two fingers on small hands, and the head (and overall proportions) also looks more like the famous 1980s "Troodon"/Stenonychosaurus model.



Faelrin

#114
The Compsognathus actually does have a smaller third finger, and one can even make it out on the left hand in the image from the Lost World shared, but it is much easier to see on the Fallen Kingdom model of it:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/jurassicpark/images/1/1b/DoJ3BgJWsAA55UL.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181013201417

It can be seen on the maquette as well:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/jurassicpark/images/9/9f/071cbb66abeb01ef8ae15464cfecf224.png/revision/latest?cb=20180709071807

Edit: I do think the similarities between the Live Troodon and the Compsognathus are kind of justified in that they share a similar color scheme, and the head and neck are similar too, even if they were basing it off that outdated Stenonychosaurus model. It doesn't help that they did not include the raised toe like on the raptors. I'm still not entirely sure why they went with this species for the show, since it wasn't in the films (unless it shows up in Camp Cretaceous too, in that case I'd be surprised if Mattel didn't make a figure of it, though I suppose I'm surprised they haven't yet for this one), and the only other take on it was the creepy one from the Telltale game, but perhaps it'll cover it. I'm still wondering if this show is intended to be something canon or not too? I'm hoping to get tickets to go and see it, if at the least to secure some of those new figures from it.
Film Accurate Mattel JW and JP toys list (incl. extended canon species, etc):
http://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=6702

Every Single Mainline Mattel Jurassic World Species A-Z; 2025 toys added!:
https://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=9974.0

Most produced Paleozoic genera (visual encyclopedia):
https://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=9144.0

Funk

Never noticed the small finger on the compy, I guess that's one thing they got right which many others got wrong at the time. The hands/arms are still much larger on the Troodon puppet, and the give away I'd say is the slit pupil, which Troodon was pretty much always portrayed with after the Ron Seguin model became the standard image.


But in any case, given how amorphous that puppet is, it's almost a pointless discussion.

GojiraGuy1954

I can't believe i'm saying this, but...

I'm considering picking up the 6" indominus if i see it.
Shrek 4 is an underrated masterpiece

Takama

#117
Quote from: Dilopho on September 20, 2019, 12:46:54 PM
It'd be pretty hard to differentiate, because they've already done so many colours of Velociraptor, but they could easily give it some new physical features like a crest of feathers or quills.

Personally, I'd like to see a Deinonychus with the JWE design. I thought it was brilliant to give it a weird wattle on its head, I love random speculative features like that. And it really does differentiate it from the Velociraptors.

I've seen a few versions of Utahraptor that give it small triangular brow horns, which makes no sense but looks wonderful, so maybe they could also do that.

By the way, is that possible, do you think? For Utahraptor to have small horns? I'm sure it's not impossible for a large raptor to have weird display features. Maybe they would build up from calluses or something, or be keratin.


I do not See Why Mattel would need to make a Utahraptor look diffrent from there Velociraptors.

If Kenner can do it





Whats stopping mattel from doing it?

CityRaptor

#118
Good argument. A lot people ( read: JP Fans ) seem to be okay if Kenner did something, but  will rage when Mattel does it.

Of course we would want it to be different.  So maybe, just maybe...

Utahraptor from Jurassic World Alive.
Jurassic Park is frightning in the dark
All the dinosaurs are running wild
Someone let T. Rex out of his pen
I'm afraid those things'll harm me
'Cause they sure don't act like Barney
And they think that I'm their dinner, not their friend
Oh no

Takama

#119
Another Reason WHY they should make a Utahraptor is Because the Species was originally going to be named Utahraptor spielbergi, After Steven Spielberg.  Sure, the species name was not meant to be, but it still a bit of trivia that Mattel should consider. 

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