A tiny ancient relative of dinosaurs and pterosaurs discovered

[sauroid]

"Dinosaurs and flying pterosaurs may be known for their remarkable size, but a newly described species from Madagascar that lived around 237 million years ago suggests that they originated from extremely small ancestors..."
https://phys.org/news/2020-07-tiny-ancient-relative-dinosaurs-pterosaurs.html?fbclid=IwAR1o75tv_lgLr2Rzrs-Sje74qjHS_BYNQLfUp_RclWwCrdLM7LBVGPfIm0I
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Illustration of Kongonaphon kely by Alex Boersma

[Tyto_Theropod]

Fascinating discovery!  The insulating fuzz hypothesis certainly makes sense when you think of the broad range of Ornithodirans known to have had some kind of filamentous covering (Theropods, small Ornithiscians, Pterosaurs - in other words a good indication that it may have been basal to the group).  It's also really nice to see some decent palaeoart accompanying the news.  That gorgeous picture makes me want a pet Kongonaphon, but I suppose I'll have to make do with the idea of a 1:1 model...

[indohyus]

Makes sense they would have humble origins. Most major groups do, especially after the devastation of the Permian era.

[Libraraptor]

Makes sense they would have humble origins. Most major groups do, especially after the devastation of the Permian era.

Same goes for mammals after ther K/T - extinction.

[CityRaptor]

A reminder that surival of the fittest =/= surival of the biggest and strongest, or even smartest.

Meanwhile, look how cute it is!

[Shonisaurus]

I wish a Kongonaphon figured twice the size of the real animal.

Leaving those wishes is an edible animal was just like small rats. Small becomes big and beautiful!

[ceratopsian]

An interesting find. Well suited to a 1:1 model!

[Stegotyranno420]

"Dinosaurs and flying pterosaurs may be known for their remarkable size, but a newly described species from Madagascar that lived around 237 million years ago suggests that they originated from extremely small ancestors..."
https://phys.org/news/2020-07-tiny-ancient-relative-dinosaurs-pterosaurs.html?fbclid=IwAR1o75tv_lgLr2Rzrs-Sje74qjHS_BYNQLfUp_RclWwCrdLM7LBVGPfIm0I
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Illustration of Kongonaphon kely by Alex Boersma

I noticed dinosaur reltives before kongonaphon ranging from Telerocrater all the way back to Erythrosuchus looked alot like the Saurischians(Reptilian Theropods, Herrerasaurs, And Sauropodomorphs), but kongonaphon was more bird like. Kinda hard to realise birds is more closley related to spinosaurus than this little dude

[Loon]

This is a really fascinating little creature. "Tiny bug slayer" is such a fantastic name too.

[Stegotyranno420]

This is a really fascinating little creature. "Tiny bug slayer" is such a fantastic name too.

Just like my dog Rexy. He likes to catch flying insects, epescially flies. On time he chased a butterfly, cartoon style

Fun fact about Rexy, almost every appearance test said he was an "American Dingo Chihuaha mix"

[indohyus]

This is a really fascinating little creature. "Tiny bug slayer" is such a fantastic name too.

Just like my dog Rexy. He likes to catch flying insects, epescially flies. On time he chased a butterfly, cartoon style

Fun fact about Rexy, almost every appearance test said he was an "American Dingo Chihuaha mix"

Quite the combo there! My old Staffie, Duchess, did the same with bees. Didn't learn after getting stung.

[Stegotyranno420]

This is a really fascinating little creature. "Tiny bug slayer" is such a fantastic name too.

Just like my dog Rexy. He likes to catch flying insects, epescially flies. On time he chased a butterfly, cartoon style

Fun fact about Rexy, almost every appearance test said he was an "American Dingo Chihuaha mix"

Quite the combo there! My old Staffie, Duchess, did the same with bees. Didn't learn after getting stung.

Thanks Indohyus, If im right, are you from Australalia

[Tyto_Theropod]

This is a really fascinating little creature. "Tiny bug slayer" is such a fantastic name too.

Just like my dog Rexy. He likes to catch flying insects, epescially flies. On time he chased a butterfly, cartoon style

Fun fact about Rexy, almost every appearance test said he was an "American Dingo Chihuaha mix"

Quite the combo there! My old Staffie, Duchess, did the same with bees. Didn't learn after getting stung.

Both my collie and the current family cat go for bugs.  With the dog I think it's generally more to do with them annoying her.  When she's resting and there are things like small flies or our famous Scottish midges buzzing around, she tries to kill them by target-locking them with her head and snapping her jaws together.  Amazingly, she quite often succeeds with this method.

The cat is a huge (and I mean HUGE) tabby tom who could easily be mistaken for a small tiger or ocelot, and yet the only 'present' he's ever brought us so far was a butterfly he blatted!  And yes, I have frequently seen him chasing them like a cat in a cartoon, but that's the only time he's caught one that I know of.  He goes after all kinds of insects and on summer nights I've often seen him in the garden, catching and eating large moths.  So 'bug slayer' would be a very apt title for him, although he's by no means tiny...    A previous cat used to chase and eat bees, until one day he got stung on the nose and it swelled up.  Fortunately he could still breathe through it, but for a while he had the indignity of walking around with a massive nose and everyone laughing at him.  I think that taught him his lesson, and probably did the local pollinating insect population a favour!  His sister used to eat spiders.

Of course none of this has anything to do with Kongonaphon, but when did this forum ever not go on tangents about our pets?

[Loon]

Just to add to this conversation. My Chihuahua has been finding increasingly gross items in our backyard. She sometimes leaves a small collection of things she's found on our porch mat. Usually it's just the peanuts the birds around here drop on the ground. But, recently she's been bringing more disgusting things. Like, within a week, she's brought two lizard tails, and a rat tail of all things. Not to mention the two baby lizards she's brought in the house, who I lucky saved before she could finish them, well most of them, one lost a tail. And most recently, she's moved up to adults. I don't know how it happened, but she brought the upper torso of a lizard to the mat.

[Tyto_Theropod]

My dog brings me things on walks, but fortunately being a sheepdog she has the killing instinct of a cabbage, and I managed to train her to leave any animal carcases we find alone.  She likes to bring me sticks to throw, and when we're on the beach she'll pick up bits of seaweed and run round with them.  She also has this weird habit of pulling up clumps of grass and asking to play with those.  I once had a neighbour jokingly ask to borrow her so she could weed his garden for him!  She has also been known to roll in badger faeces when she finds it (and sometimes she also eats it).  As she's a longhaired breed, I am naturally anything but happy about this because we then have to wash her.

Cats are another matter.  Apart from the current one, all ours have brought us 'presents'  (i.e. poor little animals they've caught).  So rodents, birds, rabbits, you name it.  Sometimes half eaten and/or dismembered.  Sometimes alive, which is always fun because then you have to try and get a frightened animal out of the house and keep the cats from trying to finish it off.  I've heard a theory (not sure how widely accepted it is by the scientific community) that pet cats do this because they observe their human slaves' apparent inability to hunt and are trying either to teach them or attempting to help feed them.

The most unusual we've had was Loki, the same cat of bee sting fame, bringing us dead pipistrelle bats at least twice.  The funniest (at least in retrospect) were the time one of our female cats left a dead mouse in my mother's shoe and she didn't know it was there until she put her foot in the shoe and trod on it; the time that the same cat brought a worm into the kitchen where we were eating spaghetti; and the time that somebody (we're not sure who as we had two cats at the time) tried to pull a half-eaten rabbit through the catflap and gave up half way.  So when we got up we were greeted with the sight of what looked like a zombie rabbit frozen in the middle of an attempt to burgle the house.  This was the same catflap that Loki attempted to pull a live pigeon through.  Naturally the pigeon wasn't very pleased and refused to cooperate.  A previous cat somehow managed to get a large buck rabbit in through the same flap, and my parents got up in the morning to find it hopping around the sitting room and the cats seemingly unsure as to how to deal with this situation.

Come to think of it, I now understand why so many members of this forum are reptile owners...

/End anecdote spam.

[Stegotyranno420]

My dog brings me things on walks, but fortunately being a sheepdog she has the killing instinct of a cabbage, and I managed to train her to leave any animal carcases we find alone.  She likes to bring me sticks to throw, and when we're on the beach she'll pick up bits of seaweed and run round with them.  She also has this weird habit of pulling up clumps of grass and asking to play with those.  I once had a neighbour jokingly ask to borrow her so she could weed his garden for him!  She has also been known to roll in badger faeces when she finds it (and sometimes she also eats it).  As she's a longhaired breed, I am naturally anything but happy about this because we then have to wash her.

Cats are another matter.  Apart from the current one, all ours have brought us 'presents'  (i.e. poor little animals they've caught).  So rodents, birds, rabbits, you name it.  Sometimes half eaten and/or dismembered.  Sometimes alive, which is always fun because then you have to try and get a frightened animal out of the house and keep the cats from trying to finish it off.  I've heard a theory (not sure how widely accepted it is by the scientific community) that pet cats do this because they observe their human slaves' apparent inability to hunt and are trying either to teach them or attempting to help feed them.

The most unusual we've had was Loki, the same cat of bee sting fame, bringing us dead pipistrelle bats at least twice.  The funniest (at least in retrospect) were the time one of our female cats left a dead mouse in my mother's shoe and she didn't know it was there until she put her foot in the shoe and trod on it; the time that the same cat brought a worm into the kitchen where we were eating spaghetti; and the time that somebody (we're not sure who as we had two cats at the time) tried to pull a half-eaten rabbit through the catflap and gave up half way.  So when we got up we were greeted with the sight of what looked like a zombie rabbit frozen in the middle of an attempt to burgle the house.  This was the same catflap that Loki attempted to pull a live pigeon through.  Naturally the pigeon wasn't very pleased and refused to cooperate.  A previous cat somehow managed to get a large buck rabbit in through the same flap, and my parents got up in the morning to find it hopping around the sitting room and the cats seemingly unsure as to how to deal with this situation.

Come to think of it, I now understand why so many members of this forum are reptile owners...

/End anecdote spam.

So they could be crushed by primeval jaws 

anyways can i be your friend, you seem like a cool guy to hang out with