Haolonggood - New for 2025

[SidB]

If they're omitting the lips from subsequent figures, that will be good news of a sort for private enterprises that install them - good for business , though expensive for us.

[Shane]

The skeletal diagrams I produce are intended as scientific representations of real animals. As a result items like general proportions, pose, and specific anatomical details (e.g. the position and shape of the eye socket) are not copyrightable. Moreover, I want them to be used as references.

That said, the images themselves are copyrighted - you can't decide to put one in a book, museum display, etc. without licensing them. And while the pose itself can be copied (in fact, please do) the outline of the image cannot be - i.e. if you make your own skeletals please adopt the pose, but you can't cut and paste the outline onto a children's toy without permission.

This is essentially my understanding of it and what myself and Blaine have alluded to in previous comments. The drawing itself - definitely copyrighted. A company cannot use the exact drawing in marketing materials without clearing the copyright with the artist. Or, rather, they shouldn't, and could face legal consequences if they do, but it would ultimately be up to a judge to determine.

However, someone using a skeletal drawing as a reference to create an interpretation of a real animal that exists (or once existed) - not copyright infringement. It is exceedingly difficult to protect a design of something based on a real animal. Everyone remembers how Papo got their prehistoric start with figures clearly "inspired" by the Jurassic Park dinosaur designs. How did they get away with it? In the eyes of the law, it would likely be argued that a T. rex is a T. rex is a T. rex. There aren't enough unique defining features of JP's rex that separate it from the public's general understanding of what a Tyrannosaurus rex looks like.

I can't speak to why HG would trash an entire completed production run, but I can say that it's definitely NOT due to complaints from this forum, and very unlikely to be due to any copyright concerns over a skeletal. The only instance I've seen of destroying a completed production run is due to it not passing a QC check. If there was some kind of error on the design, it would have to be a huge, glaring error to merit complete destruction of a completed production run.

[SidB]

QC, hmmm ... I wonder if a toxicity issue was involved?

[Shane]

For what it's worth, I'm not saying there was any QC issue, I have no knowledge of what HG's motives are, I'm just saying that usually that's the only reason I'm aware of that you'd scrap an entire production run.

[crazy8wizard]

QC, hmmm ... I wonder if a toxicity issue was involved?

A Giganotosaurus being able to harm you 95 million years later is kind of metal.

[Sim]

I think people are looking into it too much.  I see no reason to doubt Haolonggood's explanantion that is they want to make the Giganotosaurus more accurate.  They've said a new prototype of it has been completed, which isn't consistent with a case of toxicity.

On a different subject, it's funny how many good figures of Diplodocus there are now.  Haolonggood's looks excellent and t makes me wish they would make Barosaurus or Supersaurus next year.  The diplodocids have more features that set them apart than the giant titanosaurians do.

[DavidJamesArmsby]

I wouldn't be angry or worried about the Giga situation. I imagine this sort of thing happens behind the scenes more often than we know at big companies like these, no matter the reason for the redo.
We are just not often teased with what we can't have first. I'm sure the revised version will be just as good, or better.

[Sim]

Someone else mentioned that Haolonggood might have destroyed the original production run of the Ouranosaurus too, which I think is likely as it disappeared when it was replaced with the corrected version.  So there might be a sort of precedance with the Giganotosaurus's situation.

Paleofiguras confirmed the Ruyangosaurus will be coming.   I dislike how much attention the giant titanosaurians get and how little the non-Diplodocus and Amargasaurus diplodocids get.

[ceratopsian]

Ruyangosaurus would probably be popular with their core customer base in China.  (Though I too would like some more variety in the sauropods they tackle.)

Someone else mentioned that Haolonggood might have destroyed the original production run of the Ouranosaurus too, which I think is likely as it disappeared when it was replaced with the corrected version.  So there might be a sort of precedance with the Giganotosaurus's situation.

Paleofiguras confirmed the Ruyangosaurus will be coming.   I dislike how much attention the giant titanosaurians get and how little the non-Diplodocus and Amargasaurus diplodocids get.

[Sim]

Yes, I think the Ruyangosaurus will be popular in China. I had forgotten about that.

I saw someone on Paleofiguras's Facebook page complain about the scale detail of the Giganotosaurus and I don't understand it.  The scales on the Giganotosaurus are tiny and look fine.  I hope Haolonggood doesn't feel the need to make them larger like they did on their most recent Tyrannosaurus where they look artificially large.

[Turkeysaurus]

I'd still buy Ruyangosaurus if i could able to bring to my country. These 1:35 large sauropods are something else.

[crazy8wizard]

I just hope however they do it, it looks different from the Alamosaurus and Argentinosaurus. Most titanosaurs look similar because of phylogenetic bracketing but that doesn't mean the color, pose, and details have to look the same (although Haolonggood's recent reuse of color is something different).

[Monkeysaurus]

Another giant sauropod in the near future?!? Woot Woo!!  Looks like we have quite a lot of the skeleton as well based on the above image which is always nice. Nothing worse than owning a figure that gets proven inaccurate after the fact. Is this thing close to argentinosaur size?

[Halichoeres]

The diplodocids have more features that set them apart than the giant titanosaurians do.

Well, more features that we know about. Titanosaurs surely varied in many ways that are currently not knowable, like osteoderm arrangement, soft tissue decoration, color, and proportions. But we just don't have very many complete ones. Their head morphology was quite variable, though!

[Ajax88]

Another giant sauropod in the near future?!? Woot Woo!!  Looks like we have quite a lot of the skeleton as well based on the above image which is always nice. Nothing worse than owning a figure that gets proven inaccurate after the fact. Is this thing close to argentinosaur size?

Close, but not quite. Perhaps 45-50 tons, and 28-30 meters long.

[Joel1905]

If they're omitting the lips from subsequent figures, that will be good news of a sort for private enterprises that install them - good for business , though expensive for us.

This is total conjecture. In the statement they even said they were planning to be more scientifically rigorous.

[Sim]

Well, more features that we know about. Titanosaurs surely varied in many ways that are currently not knowable, like osteoderm arrangement, soft tissue decoration, color, and proportions. But we just don't have very many complete ones. Their head morphology was quite variable, though!

The head morphology isn't known in giant titanosaurians as far as I'm aware.  I wasn't talking about titanosaurians in general..  The unknown differences apply though, and not knowning them is why I'm tired of giant titanosaurian figures.  The Haolonggood Alamosaurus and Argentinosaurus, and CollectA Ruyangosaurus and Dreadnoughtus all look basically identical.

[Ajax88]

Well, more features that we know about. Titanosaurs surely varied in many ways that are currently not knowable, like osteoderm arrangement, soft tissue decoration, color, and proportions. But we just don't have very many complete ones. Their head morphology was quite variable, though!

The head morphology isn't known in giant titanosaurians as far as I'm aware.  I wasn't talking about titanosaurians in general..  The unknown differences apply though, and not knowning them is why I'm tired of giant titanosaurian figures.  The Haolonggood Alamosaurus and Argentinosaurus, and CollectA Ruyangosaurus and Dreadnoughtus all look basically identical.

I think posing is a really easy way around this problem. There are so many interesting poses that most model companies haven't touched yet. Sitting theropods like Dilophosaurus, rearing sauropods in tripodal posture, Ceratopsians kicking out like broncos. Hadrosaurs in bipedal posture. Even sauropods with tails bent back around their bodies to cut back on shipping costs would add some nice variety!

One of the reasons I love the Eofauna Ankylosaurus is its dynamic posture.

[Turkeysaurus]

Diplodocus , Giganotosaurus, Ruyangosaurus , Deinosuchus.

5 months left so there might be more surprises.

[Sim]

Yes, apparently it's confirmed Haolonggood will make Miragaia, Mosasaurus and the Einiosaurus.  I hope next year Haolonggood will make more that interests me.  I haven't bought any Haolonggood figure this year and the only one I think I will get is the Deinosuchus.  This is in contrast to the past two years where I've bought lots of Haolonggood figures.  I wish that would happen again.