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Acrocanthosaurus Classification?

Started by Concavenator, March 28, 2022, 03:02:30 PM

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Concavenator

What family is Acrocanthosaurus currently placed in? It's often classified as a member of Carcharodontosauridae, but sometimes I have seen it being placed in Allosauridae.


Leyster

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Acrocanthosaurus is nested deeply as a Carcharodontosauridae more derived than taxa like Concavenator and Neovenator in all recent analyses (such as Malafaia et al. 2019). It resulted as an Allosauridae only when the basal Carcharodontosauria record was basically none (ie Currie & Carpenter, 2000), but at the time other theropods (ie. Neovenator) were considered Allosauridae for the same reason.
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CityRaptor

It's one of those case where a letter ( and an arrangment of two more ) makes a difference. Acro is nested in Carcharodontosauridae which in turns are part of the Allosauroidea.
Jurassic Park is frightning in the dark
All the dinosaurs are running wild
Someone let T. Rex out of his pen
I'm afraid those things'll harm me
'Cause they sure don't act like Barney
And they think that I'm their dinner, not their friend
Oh no

Concavenator

L @Leyster Thank you for the explanation! Yeah, I was surprised to see it classified as an allosaurid, since I always thought it was a carcharodontosaurid. Still, I find it surprising that Acrocanthosaurus belonged to that family since carcharodontosaurids are more abundant in Gondwana, and that was separated from Laurasia. And regarding Neovenator, is it now considerered a carcharodontosaurid? I thought it had its own family (Neovenatoridae). I searched more info on this and discovered that Megaraptora is placed in this family (Brusatte et al. 2010), but this may not be accurate since megaraptorans are now thought to be basal tyrannosauroids (please correct me if I'm wrong)


Quote from: CityRaptor on March 28, 2022, 04:52:21 PM
It's one of those case where a letter ( and an arrangment of two more ) makes a difference. Acro is nested in Carcharodontosauridae which in turns are part of the Allosauroidea.

Yeah, I know it's an allosauroid, just wanted to confirm the family (not superfamily).

Leyster

Quote from: Concavenator on March 29, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
L @Leyster Thank you for the explanation! Yeah, I was surprised to see it classified as an allosaurid, since I always thought it was a carcharodontosaurid. Still, I find it surprising that Acrocanthosaurus belonged to that family since carcharodontosaurids are more abundant in Gondwana, and that was separated from Laurasia. And regarding Neovenator, is it now considerered a carcharodontosaurid? I thought it had its own family (Neovenatoridae). I searched more info on this and discovered that Megaraptora is placed in this family (Brusatte et al. 2010), but this may not be accurate since megaraptorans are now thought to be basal tyrannosauroids (please correct me if I'm wrong)
Yeah, considering Megaraptorans Coelurosaurs more or less kills Neovenatoridae, since is now limited to Neovenator, Chilantaisaurus and Siats. Nevenator is carcharodontosaur (Carcharodontosauria) not a carcharodontosaurid (Carcharodontosauridae).
"Dinosaurs lived sixty five million years ago. What is left of them is fossilized in the rocks, and it is in the rock that real scientists make real discoveries. Now what John Hammond and InGen did at Jurassic Park is create genetically engineered theme park monsters, nothing more and nothing less."

Concavenator

Quote from: Leyster on March 31, 2022, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Concavenator on March 29, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
L @Leyster Thank you for the explanation! Yeah, I was surprised to see it classified as an allosaurid, since I always thought it was a carcharodontosaurid. Still, I find it surprising that Acrocanthosaurus belonged to that family since carcharodontosaurids are more abundant in Gondwana, and that was separated from Laurasia. And regarding Neovenator, is it now considerered a carcharodontosaurid? I thought it had its own family (Neovenatoridae). I searched more info on this and discovered that Megaraptora is placed in this family (Brusatte et al. 2010), but this may not be accurate since megaraptorans are now thought to be basal tyrannosauroids (please correct me if I'm wrong)
Yeah, considering Megaraptorans Coelurosaurs more or less kills Neovenatoridae, since is now limited to Neovenator, Chilantaisaurus and Siats. Nevenator is carcharodontosaur (Carcharodontosauria) not a carcharodontosaurid (Carcharodontosauridae).

Alright, now I have a clearer vision. Thank you!

dinofigurehobby

Not sure but thanks for the question. Creature looks awesome.

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