PNSO - 2025 Hopes and Dreams

[Concavenator]

I don't think PNSO would release figures of species as big as Argentinosarus, Patagotitan, etc. Maybe a big (but not absurdly so) species like Apatosaurus, but even then it would most probably not be made in 1:35 scale like HLG's. Maybe 1:40. FWIW, L @Leyster estimated their 2021 Mamenchisaurus to be in 1:42 scale. And their Alamosaurus isn't in 1:35 for the largest specimens.

This is why, from their perspective, if they're certain they're not going to be offering figures of sauropods in 1:35 scale, it'd be smarter for them to just focus on smaller sauropods like Amargasaurus or Shunosaurus. Otherwise, if they're going to be making a figure of a big sauropod species that also happens to be made by HLG, PNSO's version is going to be at disadvantage because a lot of people are going to prefer the 1:35 version. This piece of advice goes to Eofauna as well.

In any case, stats show PNSO only releases 1 new sauropod figure per year, as can be seen throughout 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 (?). So they're clearly not too invested in sauropods.

[Sim]

This piece of advice goes to Eofauna as well.

I hope not as I collect large sauropods in 1:40 scale.

[Concavenator]

This piece of advice goes to Eofauna as well.

I hope not as I collect large sauropods in 1:40 scale.

Just to clarify, I didn't say that out of personal preference. I genuinely believe that nowadays, sauropod figures that are not in 1:35 scale are in a disadvantageous position to 1:35 ones, and that's because at this point I've seen quite some people stating they're passing on sauropod figures like Eofauna's or PNSO's Alamosaurus on a basis of scale. So this could negatively affect their sales. That's why I said that.

Of course, I'm not implying that non-1:35 scale sauropod figures are worthless: they're options for collectors like you who'd rather have smaller sauropod figures. The point I was trying to make is that, generally, nobody is going to criticize a theropod or ornithischian figure by virtue of it being in 1:35 scale. But truth is some people are passing on sauropod figures like the aforementioned ones (despite being excellent) due to them not being in 1:35 scale.

Granted, it's also true some people are passing on 1:35 sauropod figures by virtue of being considered too big. But at the same time, those 1:35 scale sauropods scale better with most of the dinosaur figures that are being released nowadays (since 1:40 scale dinosaur figures are not that common anymore), so they have a point and may be the preferred option for those collectors who like their figures being in scale with each other (or close).

In any case, I don't think you should worry about Eofauna switching the scale for their sauropod figures to 1:35, I doubt they will.

[Turkeysaurus]

Edmontonia

Pentaceratops

New amargasaurus or Bajadasaurus

Shantungosaurus
Magnapaulia
Saurolophus

Quetzalcoatlus
Hatzegopteryx

Ceratosaurus
New carnotaurus

[Concavenator]

@Turkeysaurus I would love a Quetzalcoatlus (standing, please and thank you) and new versions of Amargasaurus and Carnotaurus too!

[SidB]

I can only hope that you're right, T @thomasw100 . Myself, I feel that that's a bit optimistic, but maybe time will prove me wrong.

[thomasw100]

Just to clarify, I didn't say that out of personal preference. I genuinely believe that nowadays, sauropod figures that are not in 1:35 scale are in a disadvantageous position to 1:35 ones, and that's because at this point I've seen quite some people stating they're passing on sauropod figures like Eofauna's or PNSO's Alamosaurus on a basis of scale. So this could negatively affect their sales. That's why I said that.

Of course, I'm not implying that non-1:35 scale sauropod figures are worthless: they're options for collectors like you who'd rather have smaller sauropod figures. The point I was trying to make is that, generally, nobody is going to criticize a theropod or ornithischian figure by virtue of it being in 1:35 scale. But truth is some people are passing on sauropod figures like the aforementioned ones (despite being excellent) due to them not being in 1:35 scale.

Granted, it's also true some people are passing on 1:35 sauropod figures by virtue of being considered too big. But at the same time, those 1:35 scale sauropods scale better with most of the dinosaur figures that are being released nowadays (since 1:40 scale dinosaur figures are not that common anymore), so they have a point and may be the preferred option for those collectors who like their figures being in scale with each other (or close).

In any case, I don't think you should worry about Eofauna switching the scale for their sauropod figures to 1:35, I doubt they will.

Having all figures / models in the same scale has of course several advantages. First, one immediately can see the size difference between different species. Second, if one ever wants to build a realistic diorama having all species in the same scale is more or less a requirement. The 1:35 scale felt always as a good compromise which makes it possible to produce reasonably small and large species. Of course for Dromaeosaurs 1:35 is not good.

Drawback is of course that large sauropods in 1:35 are very large figures, which take up a lot of space and are expensive. With Haolonggood having pulled out so many 1:35 scale sauropods (and many other species in the very same scale), they have basically set the standard by now. This strongly affects other companies and basically discourages them to make figures in a different scale.

Then again the 1:40 scale is not so far away from 1:35 and given the uncertainty in size estimates and size distributions in populations of extinct animals, it is always possible to take a figure in 1:40 as a subadult or small individual of a species in 1:35. This has been my approach to the Haologgood and PNSO Alamosaurus. Both essentially represent fossil specimens of different sizes that have actually been found.

[Turkeysaurus]

I prefer mid size sauropods over smaller scale large sauropods.

There are plenty of similar looking sauropod species at various sizes. I rather PNSO try them if they don't have guts for 1/35 scale.

Not every sauropod was kaiju sized after all.

[crazy8wizard]

and if you want to be pedantic, Kaiju just means "strange beast" so not all kaiju are giant either

[thomasw100]

I prefer mid size sauropods over smaller scale large sauropods.

There are plenty of similar looking sauropod species at various sizes. I rather PNSO try them if they don't have guts for 1/35 scale.

Not every sauropod was kaiju sized after all.

There are many interesting (also from a phylogenetic point of view) sauropods which would be within the size range of what PNSO has produced.

Examples would be Barapasaurus, Bonitasaura, Cetiosaurus, Dicraeosaurus, Euhelopus, Limaysaurus, Nemegtosaurus, Omeisaurus junghsiensis, Rapetosaurus, Shunosaurus.

This little list could keep them busy for a long time, even if they would release two instead of one per year.

[oscars_dinos]

so no more pnso figures this year huh

[dragon53]

Any idea when PNSO will have a new sale on Aliexpress, etc.?

[thomasw100]

Situation with PNSO is going to be even more dire than what I thought. I asked Lana Time Shop about any forthcoming releases and this is what they responded:

"We've confirmed with PNSO that they won't have any new releases this year. New products will only be launched after the Chinese Lunar New Year, which falls on January 29th. We expect their first release for 2025 might not be available until February or even March."

Which means another almost three months before anything new will come. If they continue along this path, they could be soon out of the figure business I am afraid.

The rise of Haolonggood seems to be leading to the decline of PNSO and I think this is a very bad development.

This is what happens when the customer base focuses too much on price rather than on value for money.

Worst case scenario would be if Haolonggood pushes PNSO out of the figure market with their low prices only to massively hike their prices after that.

This would be the loose-loose scenario where we end up with lower quality for the same price. Not the first time this happened in a narrow market.

vampiredesign already stated that Haolonggood has low profit margin on some of their figures. As this is not sustainable for any company, this may be an indication of a strategy for gaining market domination.

Maybe PNSO will come back with a big bang after the Chinese New Year holidays, but I am not too optimistic right now.

Good move for PNSO may be to start making smaller dinosaurs in something like 1:18 scale now. Plenty of opportunities.

Another good move would be making bunch of feathered theropods in 1:35 scale, like Gigantoraptor, Gallimimus, Utahraptor, Dakotaraptor.

No company does feathered dinosaurs so well as PNSO does.

[crazy8wizard]

I dunno, this feels kind of catastrophizing. I don't think it's reasonable to say PNSO is going to be driven just because they aren't releasing a figure every single month like previous years.

[EmperorDinobot]

I want more minis, dinosaurs or not. Some of them scale really well with my other animals and people.

[Sim]

@Concavenator shared that PNSO has been focusing on other things which is why they haven't released as many figures this year.  I don't think this is due to Haolonggood.  PNSO's figures this year have been well-received and I'm confident PNSO will be back strong next year.  I would like small figures of small species from PNSO very much!  But I think they are going to stick to large species, there's still plenty for them to make   More feathered species would be great, Gigantoraptor is almost certain to be made by PNSO.

[thomasw100]

@Concavenator shared that PNSO has been focusing on other things which is why they haven't released as many figures this year.  I don't think this is due to Haolonggood.  PNSO's figures this year have been well-received and I'm confident PNSO will be back strong next year.  I would like small figures of small species from PNSO very much!  But I think they are going to stick to large species, there's still plenty for them to make   More feathered species would be great, Gigantoraptor is almost certain to be made by PNSO.

I read what Concavenator shared and this is probably part of the story. And I am not concerned about the lower number of figures released this year. PNSO could have well decided to release less while focusing on other projects. After all they will also have limited resources as every other company.

What does make me concerned however is the very erratic release schedule in 2024, then this very long break of 4 months and finally no end of the year release which is typically a time of the year when many toy companies generate a significant fraction of their annual turnover.

[Turkeysaurus]

I wish PNSO reveal what they'll produce next year. They probably don't because they are the leading company when it comes to scientifically accurate highly realistic dinosaurs models.

I haven't bought PNSO Styracosaurus because i knew Haolonggood was producing one.

Some bought Haolonggood Camarasaurus because they had no idea PNSO will release their own a week later.

[Sim]

Oh, I forgot to say I think Safari is tied with PNSO for the best feather detail on prehistoric animal figures.

[spinynettle]

I have no information, but I wonder if a slowdown in new figures could be connected to keeping so many of the older figures available. They may need to bet on whether a new model like Gigantoraptor would sell more than a repeat run of Parasaurolophus because they can't afford to do both.