Beautiful Dinosaur mix

[Patrx]

One thing worth noting about both Aaron's model and your mount, Amargasaurus, is that the hands are positioned incorrectly. Ceratopsian hands are currently thought to have been supinated, just like the forelimbs of a theropod, rather than pronated.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

One thing worth noting about both Aaron's model and your mount, Amargasaurus, is that the hands are positioned incorrectly. Ceratopsian hands are currently thought to have been supinated, just like the forelimbs of a theropod, rather than pronated.

Learn something new everyday I appreciate your telling me that. I purchased the mount from a company that mounts and sells them almost exclusively, something like three hundred now and counting. They normally pose the little guys as quadra-peds, but I had wanted a running pose. Your comment makes me wonder if the dinosaur could actually drop to all fours, then at all , or was entirely bi-pedal. Is it possible or known if perhaps the supination was an evolved instead of ancestral trait to the family? If that were the case, it is possible the earliest members of the genera might not have posessed the non-pronated hands? I am trying to visualize the little guy with his hands face up instead of down . To me that would seem a highly inefficient placement. I will research it further, any help at all is appreciated

[amargasaurus cazaui]

One thing worth noting about both Aaron's model and your mount, Amargasaurus, is that the hands are positioned incorrectly. Ceratopsian hands are currently thought to have been supinated, just like the forelimbs of a theropod, rather than pronated.

Learn something new everyday I appreciate your telling me that. I purchased the mount from a company that mounts and sells them almost exclusively, something like three hundred now and counting. They normally pose the little guys as quadra-peds, but I had wanted a running pose. Your comment makes me wonder if the dinosaur could actually drop to all fours, then at all , or was entirely bi-pedal. Is it possible or known if perhaps the supination was an evolved instead of ancestral trait to the family? If that were the case, it is possible the earliest members of the genera might not have posessed the non-pronated hands? I am trying to visualize the little guy with his hands face up instead of down . To me that would seem a highly inefficient placement. I will research it further, any help at all is appreciated

PS. I did fire off an email to the lab that prepped the skeleton and mounted it asking the question and justification for the pronated hands rather than supinated..lets see what they say back HA

[postsaurischian]

I keep staring at this photo you have of the dinosaur and I wondered if you might consider allowing me to print it as background for the case? I think its an amazing lifelike rendition of the animal and simply stunning. I would never plagarize your work so I wished to ask ....
I do know it would look gorgeous in the presentation. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration.

  No problem. Be sure to show a pic or two when it's ready.

P.S.: Oh, maybe you should ask copper as well. I'm not the artist who did that.

[Himmapaan]

I am trying to visualize the little guy with his hands face up instead of down . To me that would seem a highly inefficient placement. I will research it further, any help at all is appreciated

Without meaning to take Helge's thread off-topic, I think there may be some confusion with the use of 'supination', which does indeed suggest that the palms face the front or upwards. In fact, the palms face each other. I prefer the term 'neutral' for such a position, as it seems to me clearest.

[Patrx]

Thanks for the clarification there, Niroot - it seems I have used the wrong word  I did indeed mean to imply that the palms would have faced each other.

[Himmapaan]

Thanks for the clarification there, Niroot - it seems I have used the wrong word  I did indeed mean to imply that the palms would have faced each other.

Not at all! I wasn't of course trying to correct you, as Dr. Heinrich Mallison also describes palm-facing hands as 'semi-supinated'. I just thought to point out to Amargasaurus that you did indeed mean palm-facing, rather than palm-up, as he'd understood. 

Aaand back to Helge's mouth-watering collection. 

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Alright that makes great sense too. I can visualize the hands facing one another much more easily. I have emailed the lab to inquire if they can alter the placement of the hands to make them palm facing, or verify if there is some reason in the mounting process itself they would require this improper seemingly, at least, placement. You are both very helpful and I am greatful to you. It is a great little dinosaur but anything to help make it a bit more understood and accurate is useful.

[Patrx]

Alright that makes great sense too. I can visualize the hands facing one another much more easily. I have emailed the lab to inquire if they can alter the placement of the hands to make them palm facing, or verify if there is some reason in the mounting process itself they would require this improper seemingly, at least, placement. You are both very helpful and I am greatful to you. It is a great little dinosaur but anything to help make it a bit more understood and accurate is useful.

Glad to have been helpful Psittacosaurus is one of my favorite dinosaurs. I've been considering getting Aaron's Shapeways model myself, but the hand issue has kept me from purchasing it thus far. That, I do not trust my untested painting skills - though I did recently order the Velociraptor. It's a little underfeathered, but it is definitely the best dromaeosaur figure I've seen. Hopefully I can manage to apply some paint successfully 

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Alright that makes great sense too. I can visualize the hands facing one another much more easily. I have emailed the lab to inquire if they can alter the placement of the hands to make them palm facing, or verify if there is some reason in the mounting process itself they would require this improper seemingly, at least, placement. You are both very helpful and I am greatful to you. It is a great little dinosaur but anything to help make it a bit more understood and accurate is useful.

Glad to have been helpful Psittacosaurus is one of my favorite dinosaurs. I've been considering getting Aaron's Shapeways model myself, but the hand issue has kept me from purchasing it thus far. That, I do not trust my untested painting skills - though I did recently order the Velociraptor. It's a little underfeathered, but it is definitely the best dromaeosaur figure I've seen. Hopefully I can manage to apply some paint successfully 

I still wonder at my decision to purchase the mount, given that at the price it required I could have completed nearly every line of dinosaur toys you would care to collect, for the same price as this one small skeleton. I do believe the window is closing fast for obtaining these dinosaurs from China, and some will regret the decision not to get one while the chance was there. Still I admit I am excited to get the piece here and start studying it, and really enjoying it .

[Seijun]

Alright that makes great sense too. I can visualize the hands facing one another much more easily. I have emailed the lab to inquire if they can alter the placement of the hands to make them palm facing, or verify if there is some reason in the mounting process itself they would require this improper seemingly, at least, placement. You are both very helpful and I am greatful to you. It is a great little dinosaur but anything to help make it a bit more understood and accurate is useful.

Glad to have been helpful Psittacosaurus is one of my favorite dinosaurs. I've been considering getting Aaron's Shapeways model myself, but the hand issue has kept me from purchasing it thus far. That, I do not trust my untested painting skills - though I did recently order the Velociraptor. It's a little underfeathered, but it is definitely the best dromaeosaur figure I've seen. Hopefully I can manage to apply some paint successfully 

Couldn't someone just contact aaron and ask him to alter the model? Since it's a computer model, it would be really easy to "unpronate" the hands. Also, does the position of psitta's hands mean he could not walk on all fours?

[Aaron Doyle]

Couldn't someone just contact aaron and ask him to alter the model? Since it's a computer model, it would be really easy to "unpronate" the hands. Also, does the position of psitta's hands mean he could not walk on all fours?

I'll have to track down the model and fix the hands.   I hope that won't upset anyone who has already purchased it with the hands pronated though.

[Himmapaan]

Surely there can only be pleasure in having two versions? 

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Couldn't someone just contact aaron and ask him to alter the model? Since it's a computer model, it would be really easy to "unpronate" the hands. Also, does the position of psitta's hands mean he could not walk on all fours?

I'll have to track down the model and fix the hands.   I hope that won't upset anyone who has already purchased it with the hands pronated though.

In light of the debate over the hands and so forth, perhaps you could offer a version with pronated hands and no quills on the tail, versus a sculpt with semi-supinated hands and the tail quills....a sort of old school model and a newer kind as well?

[amargasaurus cazaui]

I wanted to thank you for sending me in the right direction to get my own model at shapeways as well as with Copper to get him painted. I was able to purchase the model and am making arrangements for the paint work now. Thanks for your help and time, so very thoughtful of you

[Patrx]

I'll have to track down the model and fix the hands.   I hope that won't upset anyone who has already purchased it with the hands pronated though.

You can count on an order from me, then Think you could do something similar with your Protoceratops? I recently ordered your 1/12 Velociraptor as well, expecting to receive it today. It'll be the first model I've attempted to paint, so here's hoping I don't ruin your excellent sculpt.

[postsaurischian]

  Oh my, I didn't realize the discussion that was going on here.
      A full page of my thread without any pic ! What a shame! This must change .

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                                      CollectA's new Megacerops next to Sean Cooper's Paleocraft Brontotherium




                                                                  I wonder if anybody hasn't bought these:
                                                   Bullyland Gomphotherium, Deinotherium & Megatherium

[postsaurischian]

                                                                    Kaiyodo Dinoland 1:20 Triceratops




                                                  another blue Triceratops built up & painted by Martin Garratt

[Bokisaurus]

Wow, impressive additions! REally love that Trike.
Yap, that CollectA Megaceraps is impressive! However, as big as he is (and he is ), that other figure you have dwarf him!

[postsaurischian]

   Thanks for the comment, Boki.

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                                 razh00 Shapeways Tiktaalik (customized by Martin Garratt) & Yujin Acanthostega

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