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Safari Ltd - new for 2014

Started by Everything_Dinosaur, September 03, 2013, 08:20:29 PM

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Gwangi

Looking at the up close pictures that paint application is pretty horrid. Reminds me of the Concavenator. A mostly good sculpt with awful paint application. 


darth daniel

#581
While I do also like the new Carnegie´s subtle detail, I like the Safari Tyrannosaurus better. The pose is so much better and the large feet are not that obvious IMO. And when will someone finally do a Tyrannosaurus with closed mouth??? Judging purely from dino toys, one could believe Tyrannosaurs were roaring all day long! :o ::)

tyrantqueen

I read somewhere that closed mouth carnivores don't sell as well as ones with open mouths. I suppose it makes sense, since T.rex is most famous for its toothy maw, you'd want to capitilise on that.

amargasaurus cazaui

Everyone keeps stating " the loss of detail" however if you look closely at the close up pictures you can see nearly every inch of the dinosaur is covered in textures and markings. I am unsure what is being referred to here. I find myself quite happy with the level of detail visible on the dinosaur. I am unsure just how much detail in the scales and body would be expected for an animail that was as much as forty five feet long. The fact she chose not to riddle the sculpt with the scales or such that would not be visible given it's size, IMO suggests more ability, not less.
Authors with varying competence have suggested dinosaurs disappeared because of meteorites...God's will, raids by little green hunters in flying saucers, lack of standing room in Noah's Ark, and palaeoweltschmerz—Glenn Jepsen


tyrantqueen

#584
Quote from: amargasaurus cazaui on December 30, 2013, 06:47:07 PM
Everyone keeps stating " the loss of detail" however if you look closely at the close up pictures you can see nearly every inch of the dinosaur is covered in textures and markings. I am unsure what is being referred to here. I find myself quite happy with the level of detail visible on the dinosaur. I am unsure just how much detail in the scales and body would be expected for an animail that was as much as forty five feet long. The fact she chose not to riddle the sculpt with the scales or such that would not be visible given it's size, IMO suggests more ability, not less.
Very good point, and I agree with this. That's my main problem with the Wild Safari line. As others have mentioned, though, the paintjob could have been a lot better. The white fleshy part between the jaw looks really weird.

Blade-of-the-Moon

I think the fleshy part there is good..as far as sculpt goes. But why color it white ?

The detail issue wouldn't be so bad if it were the whole figure. the thing is it seems to only extend from the back of the neck to the base of the tail across the back. head, tail, feet, belly..all of those areas are finely detailed and creased.  There is detail in the  " smooth " spot..but it's not nearly as prominent. I think it's  a casting issue or a paint issue..perhaps the paint was way too thick ?


amargasaurus cazaui

Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on December 30, 2013, 07:20:44 PM
I think the fleshy part there is good..as far as sculpt goes. But why color it white ?

The detail issue wouldn't be so bad if it were the whole figure. the thing is it seems to only extend from the back of the neck to the base of the tail across the back. head, tail, feet, belly..all of those areas are finely detailed and creased.  There is detail in the  " smooth " spot..but it's not nearly as prominent. I think it's  a casting issue or a paint issue..perhaps the paint was way too thick ?
Is it possible you got a copy with less definition then perhaps? Mine shows great detail down the back as you can spot from the pictures. The area where the actual spinal column runs through is actually quite visible and well sculpted even. Seperate note, I do agree with the high gloss white criticism...its almost glaring an not sure why the abductor muscles and teeth are painted such a glaring white color.
Authors with varying competence have suggested dinosaurs disappeared because of meteorites...God's will, raids by little green hunters in flying saucers, lack of standing room in Noah's Ark, and palaeoweltschmerz—Glenn Jepsen


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Concavenator

Quote from: postsaurischian on December 30, 2013, 05:46:48 PM
I don't like the T. rex :(. Carnegie is disappointing once again.
I cannot understand how Mrs. Rogers can make this. She has been doing the best Dinosaur Toy figures for years, but stopped to do so last year. Something must have happened.
They'd better sell it unpainted :-\ ;D. What a bad job!

I would have never thought that Wild Safari would once become Safari's better Dinosaur line.
Again,I don't understand how could pleople dislike it.  :-\
I do unsterstand Concavenator's case but this?  ??? I really don't  know what's with it,aside from the far improvable paintjob.I think this is the best model of a Tyrannosaurus rex . Far better than Papo's effort.Much more aesthetic and accurate.More colorful as well.

amargasaurus cazaui

Quote from: Concavenator on December 30, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: postsaurischian on December 30, 2013, 05:46:48 PM
I don't like the T. rex :(. Carnegie is disappointing once again.
I cannot understand how Mrs. Rogers can make this. She has been doing the best Dinosaur Toy figures for years, but stopped to do so last year. Something must have happened.
They'd better sell it unpainted :-\ ;D. What a bad job!

I would have never thought that Wild Safari would once become Safari's better Dinosaur line.
Again,I don't understand how could pleople dislike it.  :-\
I do unsterstand Concavenator's case but this?  ??? I really don't  know what's with it,aside from the far improvable paintjob.I think this is the best model of a Tyrannosaurus rex . Far better than Papo's effort.Much more aesthetic and accurate.More colorful as well.
I tend to agree, while I did purchase the Concavenator, I was not fond of the colors or the sculpt itself...the ridge in the back just does not look right no matter what the fossil says...it looks quite odd.
Authors with varying competence have suggested dinosaurs disappeared because of meteorites...God's will, raids by little green hunters in flying saucers, lack of standing room in Noah's Ark, and palaeoweltschmerz—Glenn Jepsen


tyrantqueen

#589
Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on December 30, 2013, 07:20:44 PM
I think the fleshy part there is good..as far as sculpt goes. But why color it white ?

The detail issue wouldn't be so bad if it were the whole figure. the thing is it seems to only extend from the back of the neck to the base of the tail across the back. head, tail, feet, belly..all of those areas are finely detailed and creased.  There is detail in the  " smooth " spot..but it's not nearly as prominent. I think it's  a casting issue or a paint issue..perhaps the paint was way too thick ?
I wasn't saying that putting it where it was was the problem, I just thought the white colour was bizarre. Got milk? >:D

ITdactyl

Quote from: tyrantqueen on December 30, 2013, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: amargasaurus cazaui on December 30, 2013, 06:47:07 PM
if you look closely at the close up pictures you can see nearly every inch of the dinosaur is covered in textures and markings. I am unsure what is being referred to here.
Very good point, and I agree with this. That's my main problem with the Wild Safari line. As others have mentioned, though, the paintjob could have been a lot better. The white fleshy part between the jaw looks really weird.

This might derail the topic a bit but... *hangs head out for chopping*  Being part of vehicle and mecha collecting forums, I know a few people who use "weathering" techniques to make the details of their toys/models "pop".  I think that's just what this Rex needs.  Even without a complete repaint.  I enjoy doing it for my own dinosaur toys and it works even for the tiny Kaiyodos.  I'm not sure if I just missed it, but it seems there are very few here (if any) who'd actually do this.

Now I'm well and truly tempted to get that rex and work on it.

tyrantqueen

#591
Quote from: ITdactyl on December 30, 2013, 08:19:50 PM
Quote from: tyrantqueen on December 30, 2013, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: amargasaurus cazaui on December 30, 2013, 06:47:07 PM
if you look closely at the close up pictures you can see nearly every inch of the dinosaur is covered in textures and markings. I am unsure what is being referred to here.
Very good point, and I agree with this. That's my main problem with the Wild Safari line. As others have mentioned, though, the paintjob could have been a lot better. The white fleshy part between the jaw looks really weird.

This might derail the topic a bit but... *hangs head out for chopping*  Being part of vehicle and mecha collecting forums, I know a few people who use "weathering" techniques to make the details of their toys/models "pop".  I think that's just what this Rex needs.  Even without a complete repaint.  I enjoy doing it for my own dinosaur toys and it works even for the tiny Kaiyodos.  I'm not sure if I just missed it, but it seems there are very few here (if any) who'd actually do this.

Now I'm well and truly tempted to get that rex and work on it.
I think what you're referring to is dry brushing....?

ITdactyl

Quote from: tyrantqueen on December 30, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
I think what you're referring to is dry brushing....?

yep, that's one way to go.  I didn't specify dry brushing since there are other ways to achieve the effect (as I've been corrected before).


KeU

Great... now I can't un-see the white cheeks the Tyrannosaurus has.. not good.

Quote from: amargasaurus cazaui on December 30, 2013, 06:47:07 PM
Everyone keeps stating " the loss of detail" however if you look closely at the close up pictures you can see nearly every inch of the dinosaur is covered in textures and markings. I am unsure what is being referred to here. I find myself quite happy with the level of detail visible on the dinosaur. I am unsure just how much detail in the scales and body would be expected for an animail that was as much as forty five feet long. The fact she chose not to riddle the sculpt with the scales or such that would not be visible given it's size, IMO suggests more ability, not less.

I strongly agree that it will be extremely difficult to sculpt scales on a scaled down figure, especially one that is originally forty feet long.
It is just that compared to the earlier Giganotosaurus and Spinosaurus, the amount of detail seems less. But it is just me nitpicking.

And I strongly believe it has nothing to do with Mrs Rogers. Even larger creatures such as the Brachiosaurus and Diplodocus were nicely detailed.
I blame the executives in Safari for trying to cut costs in production. Resulting in sub par casts and less than desirable painting.

Or maybe the Chinese workers are getting smarter and are producing work that are more reflective of their pay. Hahaha, Smart buggers.

Takama

Personally, from what I seen, I like this rex. Though im still a little dismayed by the fact that they are not straying away from the same boring Beige based figures. Give some variety for God, sake.

Concavenator

@Blade-of-The-Moon Would love to see pics of your Tyrannosaurus rex  ^-^

Takama

Quote from: Concavenator on December 30, 2013, 10:03:46 PM
@Blade-of-The-Moon Would love to see pics of your Tyrannosaurus rex  ^-^

Oh I don't have it yet. I was basing my opinion on the photos shown (I know, Its kind of Risky)

leidy

Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on December 30, 2013, 07:20:44 PM
I think the fleshy part there is good..as far as sculpt goes. But why color it white ?

The detail issue wouldn't be so bad if it were the whole figure. the thing is it seems to only extend from the back of the neck to the base of the tail across the back. head, tail, feet, belly..all of those areas are finely detailed and creased.  There is detail in the  " smooth " spot..but it's not nearly as prominent. I think it's  a casting issue or a paint issue..perhaps the paint was way too thick ?

That cheek tissue can be quite pale in real life, although pure white would be going too far.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-n4IumRNOC94/UQ4EoLcUcoI/AAAAAAAADBw/TgmeR4ikI_0/s1600/4876647229_c653e02e2d_o.jpg

I'd guess they intended some shade of off-white, maybe pinkish or yellowish, and in this particular example they just mixed a bit wrong.  I've seen it in many figures, from Safari and Schleich even Papo.  The colours can vary substantially, from one batch to the next.

Loss of detail happens as well.  My guess is maybe they pulled the figure out of the mold before it was fully set.  I think with some of the older figures you can see where mold degradation has set in where a residue builds up in the molds.  Whatever it is, I'd say it's some sort of a production issue.

Just the same, the quality in the pictures looks acceptable to me.

Seijun

Paint aside, I like the head. But the legs just dont look right. Too strait and scrawny. Throws the whole model off for me :( The battat ver1 rex is still king IMO.
My living room smells like old plastic dinosaur toys... Better than air freshener!

Blade-of-the-Moon

The Battat Rex is certainly still the best..I'm pretty partial to their Trike as well.   I compared the two Rexes, Anniversary and this new one and I honestly think if they had taken the head from the new Rex and placed it on the old one it would have been MUCH more impressive...maybe tweaked the pose too.  I also noticed I paid a bit more for this new one compared to the Ann. Rex..which is overall larger. :?  ..and the paint apps are worse. 11.00 VS 19.00 or there about.

I'm thinking of breaking out some epoxy and feathering this guy .  ;)

Let's see I did promise pics..the weather here has been terrible though but here's what I have :











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