new JURASSIC PARK sequel

[dragon53]

JURASSIC PARK: DINOSAURS HAVE FEELINGS, TOO---Universal Pictures sequel underway in which a team of PETA activists and two cute kids free all the blood-thirsty dinosaurs on Isla Nublar. The activists then seek refuge in a Jurassic Park lab when the liberated and hungry dinosaurs salivate at the sight of the PETA members.

[stargatedalek]

Hope none of them make it out.

[CrypticPrism]

Is this a jo-


Date. The date.

[stargatedalek]

Is this a jo-


Date. The date.

Unfortunately this may not end up being a joke, "JW2" has said it will feature "animals rights" themes, with no further explanation.

[CrypticPrism]

No, please no..... I don't want the whole movie to be just vegangains with dinosaurs"so be nice to animals, or I'll slit your throat.".

I thought it was just an April fools joke.

[PumperKrickel]

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[CrypticPrism]

Because it branches into touchier subjects like radical feminism and vegetarianism.


Edit: not branches, more like leads to the conversation of. The sad thing is that you can be pro animal rights and eat meat, like me, and that automatically makes you a HUUUuGE hypocrite and means you HATE all animals.

[stargatedalek]

The sad thing is that you can be pro animal rights and eat meat, like me, and that automatically makes you a HUUUuGE hypocrite and means you HATE all animals.

This. Some people feel like to like animals at all one has to be an "animal lover".

Animal rights are important, but they need to be approached from a perspective of logic that takes into account everything from the animal in questions intelligence and behavior to the potential economics of new regulations, not decided by emotional riot-starters who go around committing mass vandalism and scaring people into donating to their cause.

Jurassic World handled the sensitive topic of women in the workplace with the finesse of a literal sack of bricks, each of them with "stay home" printed on them, so excuse me for having low expectations if they try to make a topic like this the central theme of the movie.

[CrypticPrism]

Yeah. The only reason I'm seeing the movie is to see what dinosaurs and Prehistoric animals they butchered and get triggered.

[The Atroxious]

I´m also wondering about the harsh responses whenever "animal rights" are being mentioned in the context of the movie. I know PETA is kinda shady, but they´re unlikely to appear in the film. Why are people against animal rights, though?

It's because of how aggressive and in-your-face some animal rights activists can be. I've got nothing against animal rights activists per se, but it seems like any time there's so much as a mention of an animal getting hurt or dying, you'll find a brigade of animal rights people crawling out of the woodwork and screaming at anyone who doesn't share their ideals. I once watched a video on YouTube that essentially amounted to the euthanasia and autopsy of a crippled chicken. Keep in mind that this chicken was only killed because it was old and couldn't walk, had stopped grooming itself, and was rapidly declining in health already. Cue the people in the comments screaming about how the owners of the chicken should themselves be killed and split open on camera because examining the chicken's body was "disrespectful to the chicken". Same thing if an animal character is killed in a movie. People completely ignore the fact that human, sometimes child characters are killed in the same movie, they just want the dog or cat to live. I've even heard people say that they'd rather see humans die than a dog or a cat in real life, because humans "ruin the world" while pets are "innocent".

I've known perfectly nice animal rights supporters, but I do feel wary whenever animal rights is brought up as a big talking point because of my experiences.

This. Some people feel like to like animals at all one has to be an "animal lover".

Animal rights are important, but they need to be approached from a perspective of logic that takes into account everything from the animal in questions intelligence and behavior to the potential economics of new regulations, not decided by emotional riot-starters who go around committing mass vandalism and scaring people into donating to their cause.

Jurassic World handled the sensitive topic of women in the workplace with the finesse of a literal sack of bricks, each of them with "stay home" printed on them, so excuse me for having low expectations if they try to make a topic like this the central theme of the movie.

Thank you! I'm the sort of person who finds animals fascinating, but most of them are so alien in terms of behavior and perception that I find it hard to get emotionally attached. I also tend to look at the issue from the side that humans are just as much a part of nature as any other animal, so I'm all in favor of people eating meat should they choose to do so. (I'm also all in favor of veganism as long as the vegans in question don't shove their lifestyle down everyone's throat, but that's a different issue entirely.) I also see it from the perspective that eating a pig is no more or less acceptable than eating a dog. As long as the animal wasn't abused during its life, and in the case of hunting, that it's done legally, with concern for ecology and the environment, I'm not bothered by it. Death is a part of life, and will happen with or without us, so it's not something I'm offended by. In this case, I am definitely someone who likes animals more than I am an animal lover, though I think many people who have a vested interest in biology could say the same.

[CrypticPrism]

I agree. I think we should stop whining about the stupid chickens and cows on farms and care more about the animals that ARE ALMOST EXTINCT. You never saw anyone bat an eyelid when the subspecies of black rhino went exitinct. Yet, one video of a popular YouTuber eating fried chicken causes mass hysteria. Society has been spun around like a wheel and throwing innocent people under said wheel  for the past decade.

[Neosodon]

Allot of the fuss over animal rights is because people don't really understand them. The whole animals are innocent and people are evil couldn't be further from the truth. Animals have no sense of right or wrong. Some animals eat their own offspring or will kill the offspring of others to reduce competition. Animals don't care about others, they drive away the weak and take the food all for themselves. They will ignore sick and dyeing members of the group or sometimes even attack them. Animals only follow their instincts. They run from danger because they sense fear, they eat because they are hungry. So when people are more concerned about the lives of animals than people it bothers me.

But animals are capable of feeling pain or suffering so I do agree with taking good care of them. I give my chickens good living conditions and make sure they are fed and have access to water at all times. I let them outside to free range because it makes them happy. If I ever have to kill an animal I make sure it get's a quick and painless death as possible.

If the animal rights movement was about protecting the well being of animals and endangered species it would be something I could support. But saving every stray cat or dog, live sock animal or even invasive species is something I see as counterproductive.

[stargatedalek]

Thank you! I'm the sort of person who finds animals fascinating, but most of them are so alien in terms of behavior and perception that I find it hard to get emotionally attached. I also tend to look at the issue from the side that humans are just as much a part of nature as any other animal, so I'm all in favor of people eating meat should they choose to do so. (I'm also all in favor of veganism as long as the vegans in question don't shove their lifestyle down everyone's throat, but that's a different issue entirely.) I also see it from the perspective that eating a pig is no more or less acceptable than eating a dog. As long as the animal wasn't abused during its life, and in the case of hunting, that it's done legally, with concern for ecology and the environment, I'm not bothered by it. Death is a part of life, and will happen with or without us, so it's not something I'm offended by. In this case, I am definitely someone who likes animals more than I am an animal lover, though I think many people who have a vested interest in biology could say the same.

YES! All of this!

I for one would never be able to bring myself to eat a turtle, I've lived with them around me most of my life, but I'm not about to judge someone if they do want to, and so it bothers me to no end when people show such favoritism to dogs or cats. I've even heard people call for what essentially amounts to genocide because some cultures eat dogs.

As for the earlier point, I will admit I'm prone to a bit more shock when an animal dies in a movie, especially smaller animals like fish or birds. It's about how we perceive entertainment. I'm just one of those people who isn't bothered by gratuitous violence, but someone getting pricked by a fish hook will make me squirm. On a scale of life and death the animal dying is the fish hook, it feels more real, so it carries more weight in a work of fiction.

Allot of the fuss over animal rights is because people don't really understand them. The whole animals are innocent and people are evil couldn't be further from the truth. Animals have no sense of right or wrong. Some animals eat their own offspring or will kill the offspring of others to reduce competition. Animals don't care about others, they drive away the weak and take the food all for themselves. They will ignore sick and dyeing members of the group or sometimes even attack them. Animals only follow their instincts. They run from danger because they sense fear, they eat because they are hungry. So when people are more concerned about the lives of animals than people it bothers me.

This however, I can't agree with. Writing off all non-human species as mindless savages hits a little bit too close to the sort of closed-mindedness that has been used by those in power to abuse all, not just animals but more relevantly minorities or opposition. The whole "we're better than those different" attitude isn't a safe mindset, even in regards to animals. It's a gateway philosophy so to speak, and I don't want to go into the history of how governments of the past used science to promote racism, but it happened.

The concept of instinct is a dated one, because it's based partially on the highly religious assumption that humans are fundamentally different from all other animals. "Instinct" is just a term for seemingly unlearned behavior, and we do plenty of that ourselves (ever hit puberty? especially in the age of the internet?). Humans are not the only animals to posses a concept of right and wrong, we aren't the only ones who form complex social societies, or cultures, or even language. A great many animals will even punish those among themselves who commit cannibalism or sexual assault, perhaps most notably crows in the former and dolphins in the latter.

Am I saying all lives are equal? Or that animals lives are worth more than humans? No, and I don't think so, but I do think that's a personal decision everyone should be allowed to make for themselves. So long as someone doesn't promote inequality or injustice, and doesn't cause active harm to, or force their beliefs upon- others they should be allowed to believe whatever they wish.

As for invasive species, I think it's important to consider non-lethal removal methods whenever possible, especially for cases of animals that are in danger in their native ranges. It's also not worth wasting the resources targeting invasives that aren't dangerous to natives, like pigeons or green iguana in urban areas, they aren't posing a threat to anything, people only want them gone because of the negative stereotypes associated with them. I also feel it's important that rescues still treat invasives that get brought to them (without them releasing them, typically), after all the point is to prevent needless deaths whenever possible, conservation is best left to larger agencies.

It's worth noting the most harmful invasives aren't giant pythons or poisonous toads like everyone wants to think, but rather goats, cats, pigs, and dogs, and by a very large margin at that.

[CrypticPrism]

I'm going to continue on the villianization part. It's become so bad I'm afraid to mention to anyone that I'm pro animal rights and eat meat.Let's talk about a subject that I mentioned earlier: Radical feminism


Sexism is bad. It's worse than racism mathematically. Is it worse to offend a fraction of the population or nearly half of it? And this just makes generalizations even more unlikely, yet sexism towards men seems to be this kind of ongoing gag. Like, "oh yeah men are horrible they're all stupid and hate women and drink beer all the time." It sound stupid what I'm saying, yes, but you've got to realize that extreme hypocrisy happens. "Well I wasn't given the choice to be American." "But all men are automatically evil because they're men." It just drives me crazy that so much idiotic thinking is going on in the world. And the thing is that people are like "All women are so much better than men!" "Well, what about Stacy?" "Stacy's a fake loser." UUUUUUUGH. And I know some of you might be annoyed I didn't handle female sexism, but that's because it's the only form of sexism actually cared about. I wanted to talk about the underviewed side.


Not sure if I'll get in trouble for this.

[PumperKrickel]

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[Halichoeres]

But radical feminists, radical vegans and radical animal rights activists are just that: Radicals. Why would the few radicalized people with a skewed mindset spoil the whole ideology for you. I love eating meat and I think some medical animal testing is required in order to develop new medicine, yet I still think animals shouldn´t be needlessly suffering. I don´t care if that makes me a hypocrite in some people´s minds, because their opinion has zero impact on my life. If someone would feel the need to insult me over that, I´d simply not socialize with them in the future. I honestly don´t see the big deal. Same goes for radical feminists, who believe all men are evil or whatever. Those people are too far gone to have an discussion with, but they also don´t represent the majority of feminists. As far as I understand, feminism is essentially about striving to achieve equality between genders. I fail to see how that´s a bad thing. Radicalisation is always bad, but this has nothing to do with the movie. We don´t know how animal rights might affect the plot exactly, I highly doubt the message will be: "Don´t eat meat."

I agree wholeheartedly with the bolded part. I'm male and a feminist. Doesn't mean I hate men, which would make my life pretty interesting.

I'm going to continue on the villianization part. It's become so bad I'm afraid to mention to anyone that I'm pro animal rights and eat meat.Let's talk about a subject that I mentioned earlier: Radical feminism


Sexism is bad. It's worse than racism mathematically. Is it worse to offend a fraction of the population or nearly half of it? And this just makes generalizations even more unlikely, yet sexism towards men seems to be this kind of ongoing gag. Like, "oh yeah men are horrible they're all stupid and hate women and drink beer all the time." It sound stupid what I'm saying, yes, but you've got to realize that extreme hypocrisy happens. "Well I wasn't given the choice to be American." "But all men are automatically evil because they're men." It just drives me crazy that so much idiotic thinking is going on in the world. And the thing is that people are like "All women are so much better than men!" "Well, what about Stacy?" "Stacy's a fake loser." UUUUUUUGH. And I know some of you might be annoyed I didn't handle female sexism, but that's because it's the only form of sexism actually cared about. I wanted to talk about the underviewed side.


Not sure if I'll get in trouble for this.

I hope you will come to reconsider your position. A joke about men being incompetent (see Simpson, Homer) is a comment on the fact that it is easier for a man to achieve success with fewer qualifications and skills, relative to women. There aren't many people who genuinely think that all men are stupid, and I think claiming that there are is a straw man.

[CrypticPrism]

Ah, YouTube has tainted me with their radical feminism.

[PumperKrickel]

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[CrypticPrism]

Unless you're speaking with a youtuber who responds to all their comments. They're always kind.

[stargatedalek]

Jurassic World handled the sensitive topic of women in the workplace with the finesse of a literal sack of bricks, each of them with "stay home" printed on them, so excuse me for having low expectations if they try to make a topic like this the central theme of the movie.

How did JW even touch on that topic? The movie featured three women in the workplace: Claire, her assistant and the girl in the control center. Four if you count the boys´ mother, since she called from the office once. None of them were treated in a way that suggested women don´t belong in the workplace. All of them were depicted as being competent, they didn´t do anything stupid, it wasn´t their fault everything went wrong. Claire´s character arc wasn´t: "I need a strong man in my life, so I don´t have to work anymore." She was cold and uncaring towards everyone and noticed that she wasn´t happy with that anymore towards the end of the movie. Her arc mirrored that of Grant in the first movie and I doubt you´d say Jurassic Park suggested that men don´t belong in the workplace.

Yes it mirrored Grant's arc, but as I've said before Grant's story arc was already a subversion of this societal trope. Claire's arc is about a smart person with no people skills who comes to appreciate herself more when she finds a man and starts relying on him. The arc is both anti-intellectual and anti-women. Do I think it was intentional? No, but the intentions don't matter in film, only the final product (Jaws 4 was intended to be entertaining, for example). Jurassic World is like a societal canary, things like anti-intellectualism and sexism are becoming so ingrained in North American society that they can slip into a multi-million dollar film without anyone catching them, and that's scary.


Personally I'm often nervous at the mention of feminism. It's not like I have anything against the cause, I just generally prefer to avoid it if possible because I've been personally targeted (in person) by radical feminists in the past. Some of them hate lesbians as much as they hate men, and I don't appreciate being referred to as a brainwashed slave. I definitely don't consider myself as a feminist, I watch my share of lewd animus, as I see it so long as men and women are treated equally that's equality, women don't need to be treated like men were back in the 1950's in order for something not to be sexism.