The Expeditioner's Discovery Guild

[E.D.G.E. (PainterRex)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogCsLlI88DA

As part of #UtahraptorWeek we take a look at one of the biggest dromeosaurids (Raptors!) of all time!
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[GasmaskMax]

Nice job. The video was quite well done. 

[Ravonium]

Nice job. The video was quite well done. 

I agree. The intro was probably the best I've seen from this type of video.

[E.D.G.E. (PainterRex)]

Nice job. The video was quite well done. 

I agree. The intro was probably the best I've seen from this type of video.

Thank you!

[E.D.G.E. (PainterRex)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEMe-NDj7x0

We take a look at another Tyrannosaur ancestor, we are slowly rounding out Tyrannosauroidea! This one was recently discovered too!
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[Dinomike]

A great, informative video! Well done!

[Ravonium]

Great video as usual. So it took them 70 years to finally determine a new genus out of those remains and 2 years to publish and name it? Regardless, this is a good example of a transition species.

Just a question, is the voice you say this in your actual voice or is it a voice designed to sound like a narrator?

[DinoToyForum]

You're welcome to share your Paleo File videos but please could you keep them all in one 'Paleo File topic'? Even our own Dinotoyblog channel videos are contained within one topic, so I think it's reasonable request. Thanks!

[E.D.G.E. (PainterRex)]

You're welcome to share your Paleo File videos but please could you keep them all in one 'Paleo File topic'? Even our own Dinotoyblog channel videos are contained within one topic, so I think it's reasonable request. Thanks!

Yes, My apologies!

Just a question, is the voice you say this in your actual voice or is it a voice designed to sound like a narrator?

Our group has a few people involved. I am the editor and compiler, while the voice you here is one of our narrators, that is his real voice. We will be having a more diverse cast of narrators soon as well!

[Ravonium]

Our group has a few people involved. I am the editor and compiler, while the voice you here is one of our narrators, that is his real voice. We will be having a more diverse cast of narrators soon as well!

If that's the case then your current narrator does a decent job at sounding like one without trying.

[E.D.G.E. (PainterRex)]

I apologize for making another topic, as it has been suggested to just create a single conglomerate topic. (If someone could delete our past singular posts we would be very grateful!)

Anyway, here is a series about analyzing and looking closely at specific genera and species of extinct animals (also, living animals, and debunking and speculating on cryptids). We are the Expeditioner's Discovery Guild and we suggest you subscribe if you enjoy our content! Thank you!

Here is the latest episode - Daeodon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spA2oFfTyT0

[DinoToyForum]

I'll merge them all.

[WarrenJB]

Heh. Looks like I responded too late to make the cut

Nice summary. I wasn't aware of the second species. (Looks a bit more 'standard entelodont' compared to the brick-shaped skull of D. shoshoensis) The thoughts about the cheek projections are noted too, although... that's a fair amount of lateral space to fill with soft tissue!

[WarrenJB]

Thinking further about the appearance and reconstruction of entelodonts, you have a point about the resemblance of parts of Daeodon to bison. The huge neural spines over the withers are obvious, but using the highly scientific method of 'looking at online photos', the forelimb elements look similar too. The scapula, as mentioned, and the bowed ulna with the big olecranon, especially.

No picking on The EDG particularly, but the video's made me think about the term 'hell pig' too. Mainly about how it seems a bit unhelpful - both inaccurate and sensationalist.

Inaccurate thanks to recent phylogenetic studies placing entelodonts another step or two away from pigs. I never thought the skull of Daeodon, specifically, was very pig-like anyway, aside from length and the tusk-like canines. Reconstructions of entelodonts with flat, pig-like snouts sit as uncomfortably with me as wet, dog-like, philtrum-noses! Maybe someone more well-read or expert can correct me, but the nasals don't seem set up in the same way as pigs, to strongly support a scooping, rooting snout. The oft-repeated bit of digging up roots and tubers in lean times doesn't sound impossible, but it does also sound like a bit of received wisdom, a holdover trope from when entelodonts were considered to be oversized suiforms.
Although on that note, there's a paper I'd like to get my hands on. Can I ask if anyone has a pdf copy, before I sign up with a Researchgate account?

The skull of Daeodon reminds me much more of it's closer relatives - hippos. Then the danger is to consider it looking too hippo-like. Personally, I think the skulls of hippos are more extreme and terrifying than any entelodont can hope to be anyway, and see how cute or jolly or innocuous they can seem, fully fleshed. Reminds me of those recent discussions about lips and soft-tissue tooth coverings in theropods and sabre-toothed cats...

So sensationalism. 'Hell pig' and 'terminator pig' come across a tad awesomebro. Most art available online presents them with gaping or otherwise open mouths, emphasising the teeth. (I've also seen one or two with teeth protruding from closed mouths like pig tusks) The impression is given that they're slavering monsters, cruising over the landscape to devour any creature unfortunate enough to cross their path. The Walking With Beasts depiction in particular is almost crocodylian, it's so shrinkwrapped. Any of this starting to sound familiar?
I think entelodonts, and Daeodon, would seem much more mundane than the most common image. Less frenetic psycho-pig with a bear-trap for a face; more ambling short-haired bison with a strange, long, half-hippo/half-horse (or /half-cow?) head. At least until it did open it's mouth.

[E.D.G.E. (PainterRex)]

Thinking further about the appearance and reconstruction of entelodonts, you have a point about the resemblance of parts of Daeodon to bison. The huge neural spines over the withers are obvious, but using the highly scientific method of 'looking at online photos', the forelimb elements look similar too. The scapula, as mentioned, and the bowed ulna with the big olecranon, especially.

No picking on The EDG particularly, but the video's made me think about the term 'hell pig' too. Mainly about how it seems a bit unhelpful - both inaccurate and sensationalist.

Inaccurate thanks to recent phylogenetic studies placing entelodonts another step or two away from pigs. I never thought the skull of Daeodon, specifically, was very pig-like anyway, aside from length and the tusk-like canines. Reconstructions of entelodonts with flat, pig-like snouts sit as uncomfortably with me as wet, dog-like, philtrum-noses! Maybe someone more well-read or expert can correct me, but the nasals don't seem set up in the same way as pigs, to strongly support a scooping, rooting snout. The oft-repeated bit of digging up roots and tubers in lean times doesn't sound impossible, but it does also sound like a bit of received wisdom, a holdover trope from when entelodonts were considered to be oversized suiforms.
Although on that note, there's a paper I'd like to get my hands on. Can I ask if anyone has a pdf copy, before I sign up with a Researchgate account?

The skull of Daeodon reminds me much more of it's closer relatives - hippos. Then the danger is to consider it looking too hippo-like. Personally, I think the skulls of hippos are more extreme and terrifying than any entelodont can hope to be anyway, and see how cute or jolly or innocuous they can seem, fully fleshed. Reminds me of those recent discussions about lips and soft-tissue tooth coverings in theropods and sabre-toothed cats...

So sensationalism. 'Hell pig' and 'terminator pig' come across a tad awesomebro. Most art available online presents them with gaping or otherwise open mouths, emphasising the teeth. (I've also seen one or two with teeth protruding from closed mouths like pig tusks) The impression is given that they're slavering monsters, cruising over the landscape to devour any creature unfortunate enough to cross their path. The Walking With Beasts depiction in particular is almost crocodylian, it's so shrinkwrapped. Any of this starting to sound familiar?
I think entelodonts, and Daeodon, would seem much more mundane than the most common image. Less frenetic psycho-pig with a bear-trap for a face; more ambling short-haired bison with a strange, long, half-hippo/half-horse (or /half-cow?) head. At least until it did open it's mouth.

Wow, that's a lot to go through! We agree with you 100% We only used the awesomebro words as a common name-type thing in the vein of the Woolly Mammoth, etc. and to make it more extreme. But we figured we'd balance it out with accurate to semi-accurate reconstructions and explaining what the 'real' appearance may have been. Thanks for commenting! Can we expect a new subscriber then? XD

[WarrenJB]

Already done.

Again, I didn't mean to pick on TEDG for the use of 'hell pig'. Sorry about that! I know it's a common moniker. (Among people aware of entelodonts, anyway) Consider it more thinking out loud about Daeodon's life appearance, kickstarted by the term.

Actually, the art you used for the title card is pretty much like my imaginings. Slipped my mind before typing all that because, thanks to some bug or slipup between tech and browser software, embedded youtube videos don't show up on the DTF, on my tablet. I had to go to youtube directly to jog my memory.

[BlueKrono]

Yeah, to me that video is just a blank space. It would be nice if you posted a link to it as well. This is a subject I'm very interested in.

[E.D.G.E. (PainterRex)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhK46504JAg

This time, we take a look at the interesting little pterosaur, Dimorphodon!

[RobinGoodfellow]

Yeah, to me that video is just a blank space. It would be nice if you posted a link to it as well. This is a subject I'm very interested in.

Your browser is blocking Flash Player.
You need to authorize it to use Flash (or you have to upgrade your browser or your Flash plugin).
DTF software on server tries to use ALL video links as a playable video inside the DTF page.
If your browser doesn't use Flash, every link to a Flash video is showed as a blank space.
So posting a link doesn't solve your problem.

On my Mac, Chrome has that issue sometimes  while Firefox doesn't.
You can also try to switch to a different browser.

[E.D.G.E. (PainterRex)]

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