CollectA: New for 2018

[Ceratosaurus]

I'm fairly new to this forum but I missed the part where having a difference of opinion was against the rules. Everyone has their preferences when it comes to figures. Just because it meets the standards of one person doesn't mean someone else can't take issue with it. Most of all, when it comes down to it, these are toys. Relax.

[DinoToyForum]

I see no such abuse currently being directed at you whatsoever, Sim, so I fail to see why you are attempting to portray yourself as a victim here. I also fail to see how one wrong somehow excuses another. I believe the correct term for that is 'whataboutism.'

@suspsy It is in the interest of our little community that we are compassionate and understanding of other members, not dismissive and accusatory. Sim is telling you that he was upset and feels like leaving the forum. Your response is to accuse him of "playing a victim" and engaging in "whataboutism". I'd hope for a more respectful and polite response than this. Let's call a spade a spade - it is a veiled personal attack, and I'm giving you a warning for it.

I'm always disappointed when I see replies like yours. The DTF is sometimes accused of being unfriendly, and these sorts of posts certainly are. Posts like these push people away from the DTF and it makes the forum feel like a nasty place to be. I'm sure this isn't your intention, but it it does, and I have to take action.

The same is true for your talk about losing respect for people - leave it out. It doesn't do anybody any good and is terrible for the community spirit. I'm not going to take the word "friendly" out of the forum description, so the onus is on you to change your behaviour.

You can disagree with other members, but please don't make posts personal (explicitly or implicitly), and don't be rude.
Thanks 

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Sim, I hope you continue to stay, I'm sure I'm not alone in valuing your contributions and enjoying your presence on the DTF. 

[tyrantqueen]

Otherwise it's like judging Leonardo Da Vinci's paintings by book's illustrations only or judging a car without driving it..

I respectfully disagree.

I think modern technology and photography is good enough that looking at a photograph of the Mona Lisa via Google images, you can easily discern that it's a GOOD painting. It's not as good as seeing it in person (and you might miss on on some of the finer details) but I believe you can make a judgement about its quality.

If online photos were so worthless, how would you know which dinosaurs to buy in the first place?

[RobinGoodfellow]

Otherwise it's like judging Leonardo Da Vinci's paintings by book's illustrations only or judging a car without driving it..

I respectfully disagree.

I think modern technology and photography is good enough that looking at a photograph of the Mona Lisa via Google images, you can easily discern that it's a GOOD painting. It's not as good as seeing it in person (and you might miss on on some of the finer details) but I believe you can make a judgement about its quality.

If online photos were so worthless, how would you know which dinosaurs to buy in the first place?

This is the wrong place for that discussion.
My reply:
http://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3562.new#new
Regards

[tanystropheus]

Otherwise it's like judging Leonardo Da Vinci's paintings by book's illustrations only or judging a car without driving it..

If online photos were so worthless, how would you know which dinosaurs to buy in the first place?

From personal experience, I've noticed that a number of DTF members were under the impression that REBOR's quality (not aesthetics) was on par with or less than that of Papo. It's quite obvious when you hold them in person the differences that go into production values. This isn't really the case anymore as a larger proportion of folks now own at least one REBOR product.

Secondly, cameras tend to zoom in (with some distortion due to lenses) in a manner that may make the dinosaur toy less flattering.

Check out:  https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/1/17067176/selfies-nose-jobs-plastic-surgery-rhinoplasty-wide-angle-distortion

This is a problem if only a select few members actually own the product because you are dependent on their angles and perspectives. I've always found that Safari and CollectA products look much better in person. The camera tends to magnify and make worse the paint application and coherence (e.g. Kaprosuchus, Inostrancevia), highlighting minor flaws. In person, you are unlikely to pick up these issues upon first glance.

[Shonisaurus]

I pass a video of the gomphotherium Collecta as you can see the figure is more detailed and much better than its counterpart of Bullyland but honestly for me it is the figure of the group of prehistoric animals Collecta 2018 weakest I pass the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSp_tE__GjY

The video is by Matthew The Dinosaur King

[Sim]

I see no such abuse currently being directed at you whatsoever, Sim, so I fail to see why you are attempting to portray yourself as a victim here. I also fail to see how one wrong somehow excuses another. I believe the correct term for that is 'whataboutism.'

I don't have as much to respond to after what @dinotoyforum said about your reply.  I can tell you your reply does indeed have the effect of pushing me away from the forum.

In their post, Bokisaurus portrayed defending CollectA as something good that often brought unfairness to those who were vocal about it.  In my reply to this, I added that there has been times when defending of CollectA involved unfair behaviour towards other members.  What I said isn't 'whataboutism', it was a continuation of the existing discussion.  And I never said anything about one wrong excusing another.

Those who made the abusive posts I referred to never apologised for the posts or showed any consideration for the effect they would have on those they were directed at.  That, combined with how things went around those posts, I feel created a situation where later posts like some that were made recently in this thread could build on this unfairness that happened in the past, either knowingly or unknowingly.  I definitely didn't feel comfortable about this, having personally experienced the unfairness in the past.

The abusive posts I referred to were also vocal instances of defending CollectA, and since Bokisaurus specifically referred to those who have been vocal about their support for CollectA, I felt it was important to make it clear that some times when people were vocal in defending CollectA this was actually done by directing unpleasant behaviour towards other members.  I felt the discussion in this thread had reached a point where more of the situation needed to be considered.

Sim, I hope you continue to stay, I'm sure I'm not alone in valuing your contributions and enjoying your presence on the DTF. 

Oh!  Thanks!  And thanks for the rest of your post too.  After I made my previous post in this thread, I thought that if I receive a personal attack for it I'd probably have to consider leaving the forum.  The personal attack did happen, but then I read your post and it made me feel better.  What you've said has made me not feel the need to leave, it makes me know I'd like to continue to stay.  Thanks again for your kind words!

[Dilopho]

Oh dear.... people get into serious arguments over the toy dinosaurs? 

[tanystropheus]

I see no such abuse currently being directed at you whatsoever, Sim, so I fail to see why you are attempting to portray yourself as a victim here. I also fail to see how one wrong somehow excuses another. I believe the correct term for that is 'whataboutism.'

Oh!  Thanks!  And thanks for the rest of your post too.  After I made my previous post in this thread, I thought that if I receive a personal attack for it I'd probably have to consider leaving the forum.  The personal attack did happen, but then I read your post and it made me feel better.  What you've said has made me not feel the need to leave, it makes me know I'd like to continue to stay.  Thanks again for your kind words!

Hi Sim,

I hope you stay on the forum and continue to provide value to the DTF community. I'm not sure if you are a paleontologist or not, but I can say with certainty that I've learned more from you about dinosaurs/prehistoric animals than the vast majority of folks here at DTF (top 4 or 5 posters, as far as I am aware).  For that, I am incredibly grateful   

I know I gave you a hard time in the past, but I generally "test" people who have the most to offer. Sorry about that.

[Sim]

Oh dear.... people get into serious arguments over the toy dinosaurs? 

Not just dinosaurs, it's been over toys of other types of prehistoric animals too!   (I'm saying this in a humorous way, even though it's true.)

Hi Sim,

I hope you stay on the forum and continue to provide value to the DTF community. I'm not sure if you are a paleontologist or not, but I can say with certainty that I've learned more from you about dinosaurs/prehistoric animals than the vast majority of folks here at DTF (top 4 or 5 posters, as far as I am aware).  For that, I am incredibly grateful   

I know I gave you a hard time in the past, but I generally "test" people who have the most to offer. Sorry about that.

Thanks @tanystropheus!   I'm not a palaeontologist, just someone interested in prehistoric life.  It's interesting to hear about how you've "tested" people.  For a long time now I haven't had hard feelings towards you and have been enjoying your presence on the forum.

[Bokisaurus]

Very few defend CollectA. It seems like those who have been vocal about their support are often accused of being somehow associated with them. I am talking about personal experience. I have been a great fan of CollectA from the beginning, and have this type of accusations thrown at me way back in the old forum, it actually reached a point one time that I took a long break from the forum.

I feel your post considers only one side though, negative comments towards CollectA figures or people who appreciate particular CollectA figures.  Negative comments have also been made at people for expressing reasonable criticism of particular CollectA figures.  In the past I've been on the receiving end of abusive posts after expressing reasonable criticisms of certain CollectA figures.  Those posts did make me feel upset, and the last time it happened I considered not coming back to this forum.

I see no such abuse currently being directed at you whatsoever, Sim, so I fail to see why you are attempting to portray yourself as a victim here. I also fail to see how one wrong somehow excuses another. I believe the correct term for that is 'whataboutism.'

I don't have as much to respond to after what @dinotoyforum said about your reply.  I can tell you your reply does indeed have the effect of pushing me away from the forum.

In their post, Bokisaurus portrayed defending CollectA as something good that often brought unfairness to those who were vocal about it.  In my reply to this, I added that there has been times when defending of CollectA involved unfair behaviour towards other members.  What I said isn't 'whataboutism', it was a continuation of the existing discussion.  And I never said anything about one wrong excusing another.

Those who made the abusive posts I referred to never apologised for the posts or showed any consideration for the effect they would have on those they were directed at.  That, combined with how things went around those posts, I feel created a situation where later posts like some that were made recently in this thread could build on this unfairness that happened in the past, either knowingly or unknowingly.  I definitely didn't feel comfortable about this, having personally experienced the unfairness in the past.

The abusive posts I referred to were also vocal instances of defending CollectA, and since Bokisaurus specifically referred to those who have been vocal about their support for CollectA, I felt it was important to make it clear that some times when people were vocal in defending CollectA this was actually done by directing unpleasant behaviour towards other members.  I felt the discussion in this thread had reached a point where more of the situation needed to be considered.

Sim, I hope you continue to stay, I'm sure I'm not alone in valuing your contributions and enjoying your presence on the DTF. 

Oh!  Thanks!  And thanks for the rest of your post too.  After I made my previous post in this thread, I thought that if I receive a personal attack for it I'd probably have to consider leaving the forum.  The personal attack did happen, but then I read your post and it made me feel better.  What you've said has made me not feel the need to leave, it makes me know I'd like to continue to stay.  Thanks again for your kind words!

Okay, I feel like responding when you first quoted me, but decided not to in light of how the conversation went down.
However, and unfortunately , you have to bring it all up again, so I am left with no choice but to respond and to make sure that I am very clear about what my original post was all about.

When you first quoted me, I felt like you have totally taken my comment out of context by selectively only including the very last paragraph, leaving the majority of the comment out. This totally changed the entire context of my comment, and the way you responded to it made it even more so. I'm not sure if this was your intention or not, but that is how it turned out.
I hope you actually read my entire post. For someone who has not read my original, unedited comment , it totally sounds very different.

In your last post, the one that prompted this response from me, you made it even worst.
First of all, where did I ever said that that defending CollectA is good? I don't recall writing that. Secondly, if you read the entire original comment, I made it clear that people are entitle to voice their objections and criticism, that is everyones right, however, it can be done in a way that is still respectful and productive and not to the level of insults and disrespect. I never said that people should not be critical. Again, what I said is that you can do all that and still maintain a level of respect, again, this is all in the original comment I made.
So pleas, tell me where did you get this.
I said that very few people defend CollectA passionately, and based on my own experience and what other comments that was posted here recently, I felt like there is an unfair and unnecessary suggestions that to be defending CollectA somehow equates to that person being associated to with the company. That's it. I really, maybe I missed it, but I really have not seen this suggestions thrown at someone for defending other brands as much as I have seen done with CollectA.

I wish that you have voiced your opinion differently, or at least quoted my entire comment for everyone to see so that it was not taken out of context, like it has. By selective quoting and missing the entire post, I felt was totally  misleading. This is where I have an issue with and not about your point of being attacked. Lets be clear about this. Your point is valid and an important one and should be discussed.
But please don't try to take my comment out of context.

[Sim]

B @Bokisaurus: Your reply to what I've said is very accusatory and personal.  You haven't even asked me if you'd misunderstood what I intended before writing a long response where you criticise me repeatedly.  Every time you've accused me, you've misunderstandood what I intended.

First of all, if I'm responding to a post I will always read all of it, it wouldn't make sense to reply to it otherwise.  You and I have both been members of this forum for years, so you suggesting I might not have read all your post is an unpleasant thing for me to receive.  Still, if you wanted to check I had read all your post, it was possible to ask in a more respectful way.  Instead you said, "I hope you actually read my entire post.", which is rude.

I quoted only a part of your post because I thought if I said more about other parts of your post you might have felt it was too much.  Quoting only parts of people's posts where appropriate happens often on this forum, and I believe it's even suggested to do so in Forum rule 8: "Avoid quoting entire posts if they are long and/or contain many images."  So this made it seem even more like the best choice to only quote the part of your post that was really relevant for my reply.  I would expect anyone who it would matter to would have read your original post and so quoting only part of your post wouldn't be misleading.  At this point, my reply to your post would've been the same even if your post had only been the part I quoted.  In other words, how I felt as expressed in my reply would be the same as long as you said the part of your post I quoted.
I understand you feel differently, you feel quoting only a part of your post changed its context and made it misleading.  I respect how you feel about this, and I'm sorry this has been your experience of it.  This was definitely not my intention, as I mentioned I had a good intention for not quoting all of your post.  In the future, I'll give more consideration to quoting all of a post, or making it more clear where parts of the original post haven't been included.  I'll make sure to do one of these two things if I ever quote you again.

In your last post you said:

However, and unfortunately , you have to bring it all up again, so I am left with no choice but to respond and to make sure that I am very clear about what my original post was all about.

In your last post, the one that prompted this response from me, you made it even worst.

I considered whether to make the posted reply that you're referring to in the quotes above.  It ended up taking a lot of my Sunday to make my reply to suspsy's post, and it wasn't pleasant for me.  I still did it though, as I hoped it would help people better understand what I meant in my response to your post and avoid anyone being misled.  So I made that post for the sake of other people, which I felt was important after the accusations I received in suspsy's post.  I hope that clarifies why I made that reply.

First of all, where did I ever said that that defending CollectA is good? I don't recall writing that. Secondly, if you read the entire original comment, I made it clear that people are entitle to voice their objections and criticism, that is everyones right, however, it can be done in a way that is still respectful and productive and not to the level of insults and disrespect. I never said that people should not be critical. Again, what I said is that you can do all that and still maintain a level of respect, again, this is all in the original comment I made.
So pleas, tell me where did you get this.

I'll first respond to the bolded part.  I wonder if here you might be taking something I said out of context?  You highlighted a part of a sentence in my post and it sounds like you're only responding to that part.  The complete sentence is: "In their post, Bokisaurus portrayed defending CollectA as something good that often brought unfairness to those who were vocal about it."  Is this not true?  In the part of your post I originally quoted, which I've quoted again below, that's how I thought you felt about it.:

Very few defend CollectA. It seems like those who have been vocal about their support are often accused of being somehow associated with them. I am talking about personal experience. I have been a great fan of CollectA from the beginning, and have this type of accusations thrown at me way back in the old forum, it actually reached a point one time that I took a long break from the forum.

I actually thought defending CollectA can be a good thing as long as it's not done in a way that's rude to other members.  So I intended to acknowledge this while summarising what you said in a way that was true.  If I misunderstood, does that mean in your post you didn't think defending CollectA can be a good thing?
As for the second part of what you said, the part not in bold, that refers to how in your post you said people can express criticism as long as it's respectful...  This wasn't relevant to what I said in my replies.  Since you think it is, there must have been a misunderstanding here, but I don't know what it is.  I will say though, I agree with what you said about expressing criticism respectfully and productively.

[DinoToyForum]

Take it easy guys, sounds like it was a simple misunderstanding, probably best to let it lie and move on. It is off topic anyway.

[Shonisaurus]

DTF Members:

They are already available in the German shop urzeitshop.la second round of prehistoric animals of Collecta, except the brontosaurus the rest are all available, I pass the links,

Estemmenosuchus:

https://www.urzeitshop.de/de/collecta/3253-estemmenosuchus-saurier-figur-von-collecta-4892900888163.html?newsletterpro_source=newsletter&id_newsletter=99&SubmitCurrency=yes&id_currency=1

Dimetrodon:

https://www.urzeitshop.de/de/collecta/3251-dimetrodon-saurier-spielzeug-von-collecta-4892900888224.html?newsletterpro_source=newsletter&id_newsletter=99&SubmitCurrency=yes&id_currency=1

Gomphotherium:

https://www.urzeitshop.de/de/collecta/3252-gomphotherium-ruesseltier-spielzeug-von-collecta-4892900888286.html?newsletterpro_source=newsletter&id_newsletter=99&SubmitCurrency=yes&id_currency=1

Feathered tyrannosaurus rex 2018:

https://www.urzeitshop.de/de/collecta/3249-t-rex-bruellend-gefiedert-deluxe-dinosaurier-spielzeug-von-collecta-4892900888385.html?newsletterpro_source=newsletter&id_newsletter=99&SubmitCurrency=yes&id_currency=1

Ceratosaurus:


https://www.urzeitshop.de/de/collecta/3250-ceratosaurus-deluxe-dinosaurier-figur-von-collecta-4892900888187.html?newsletterpro_source=newsletter&id_newsletter=99&SubmitCurrency=yes&id_currency=1


I hope it helps all lovers of Collecta.

[Shonisaurus]

The feathered tyrannosaurus rex of Collecta 2018 is available at www.everythingdinosaur.com I give you the link:

Feathered tyrannosaurus rex Collecta 2018:

https://www.everythingdinosaur.com/product/collecta-deluxe-roaring-feathered-t-rex/

[Ceratosaurus blogspot]

The new Collecta 2018 T-rex.

Better than old one with a more correct size when compared with other big theropods.

http://ceratosaurus.blogspot.com/2018/08/tyrannosaurus-rex-collecta-2018.html

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XwovXJTuZXs/W2MVuDmBhEI/AAAAAAAAIZU/AiYgl8epyNwZlidPNJhSrJV_m7AIDuEBQCEwYBhgL/s1600/DSC00201.JPG

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Jx83OPFK7Q4/W2MVuT_JxKI/AAAAAAAAIZY/5hIIVhZoVkYGz_5uGeIR4XBOlYfuiQw8QCEwYBhgL/s1600/DSC00202.JPG

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hcedB4-oiqw/W2MVuRpDE6I/AAAAAAAAIZk/TPzCcDE5GY4ILDzsCz0u2jYDCvoCaaiSACEwYBhgL/s1600/DSC00203.JPG

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https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QGQE4Uo-xvU/W2MV7xQI0iI/AAAAAAAAIZs/7etWOspy9yUnU04k1XPzPfNfNnZtIYkwQCEwYBhgL/s1600/DSC00210.JPG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xVWHNzFTQ4c/W2MV6gguz_I/AAAAAAAAIZs/nHiVP3BVHIoXhF4NuK6NYOaZvhwcaXoNACEwYBhgL/s1600/DSC00209.JPG

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-InHN0WVIoVA/W2MV6auJJII/AAAAAAAAIZo/xo_KpmCwPf0fzH2obAGk9Fykk4EribXzgCEwYBhgL/s1600/DSC00208.JPG

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BpPS2_-aaf8/W2MV2-i5rGI/AAAAAAAAIZk/vklgWcgeuIshI2_2pn_g-vnKkARO5h8KQCEwYBhgL/s1600/DSC00207.JPG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OcJ177oovuc/W2MV-1CIJ5I/AAAAAAAAIZw/Sap8Kd9DUjQD4KAS1g8DRKUGguiMGXjRQCEwYBhgL/s1600/DSC00211.JPG

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Gyx56lCTSoI/W2MV-wSog6I/AAAAAAAAIZ0/bvqm8OTrszwK6fakO0ZWRZ_dGjoUZbsQQCEwYBhgL/s1600/DSC00212.JPG

[Shonisaurus]

Thanks for the links the feathered tyrannosaurus rex Collecta 2018 C @Mercador Finlandes looks great compared to the rest of theropods is a substantial improvement over its predecessor is superior both in its design and in its forms.

On the other hand what I do not know if the sculpture of the tyrannosaurus rex feathered from Collecta 2018 remains well without base. The figures of Collecta along with those of Mojo that are already on the way are the only ones that I lack of the great brands of 2018. The wait has been worth it.

[Ceratosaurus blogspot]

"On the other hand what I do not know if the sculpture of the tyrannosaurus rex feathered from Collecta 2018 remains well without base."

It remains very well without base, Shonisaurus! I do not know how they got it, but the model is very stable even if you bump it!

And the material is similar to that of the collecta torvossaurus (a little softer I think).

[PhilSauria]

Great comparison shots - thanks for the links. Bigger than I thought (which always gets my attention in regard to Dinosaur figures!). Hadn't thought much about this one but may have to look into adding it to the 'buy' list now.

[SidB]

I was surprised but pleased that CollectA didn't resort to the excessively wide hips of some previous theropods in order to stand upright consistently. Mine is rock-solid stable. Interesting that the older, fully-feathered T-Rex has the wider hips, though. I believe that I'd read on the DTF that it had started its career without a base, which was later added because of stability issues. That would explain the wide hips.