Eofauna - new for 2019

[Flaffy]

A sarcosuchus on the part of Eofauna would be a great figure, just as the deinosuchus are two crocodiles that should be much better represented in the collectible figures and among the prehistoric toy animals.

For giant crocodylomorphs, I would like to see Purussarus get represented for once.
It's surprising how the largest caiman never really gets any attention from toy companies or the media.

[Shonisaurus]

A sarcosuchus on the part of Eofauna would be a great figure, just as the deinosuchus are two crocodiles that should be much better represented in the collectible figures and among the prehistoric toy animals.

For giant crocodylomorphs, I would like to see Purussarus get represented for once.
It's surprising how the largest caiman never really gets any attention from toy companies or the media.

The purussarus is a prehistoric crocodile nothing treated (that I know or know) in the toy market and Eofauna could make a good recreation of that figure in toy or figure of collecting.

It would also decant in dinosaurs armored a boroalopelta on the part of Eofauna on a scale larger than that of Collecta, it could be a good addition, and could make a tarchia to put another example of armored dinosaur, pinacosaurus or talarurus acceptable palaeontological remains are known so that a company like Eofauna, apart from that, would go out of the routine of always representing the ankylosaurus and the euoplocephalus which are two ankylosaurids very represented in the market of collectible figures.

[Sim]

@Sim Interesting. I knew you weren't a fan of Tyrannosauroids (and Allosauroids and Ceratopsids), though I didn't know you didn't really like them at all, or Hadrosaurs, or Sauropods not named Shunosaurus. There aren't any extinct dinosaurs really that I don't like at all. [...]

@Gothmog the Baryonyx: I have to say, I find myself often enjoying and appreciating your posts. I frequently find you show good judgment and share interesting things, and that you have a good awareness of things that matter.

The reason I don't like allosauroids and ceratopsids is because of how overrepresented they are in figures.  I've never found allosauroids or ceratopsids very interesting, but I have had some liking for some of their members in the past.  How frequently those two groups have been made into figures has made all their members boring to me.  I also find it frustrating to see such similar animals made so frequently while animals I like more in any case keep getting very few or no good figures.

For tyrannosauroids, it's very much affected by how things have developed with T. rex.  I've never found T. rex a very interesting animal, but I also didn't use to find it boring.  I feel T. rex is at its most interesting when it's treated like the real animal it was.  I find T. rex is increasingly being treated in an unrealistically idealised way instead.  This, and how overrepresented T. rex is in figures has made T. rex very boring to me.  Other tyrannosauroids share a lot of characteristics with T. rex, including the general look that has become so boring to me because of the overexposure of T. rex.  So while some tyrannosauroids never interested me, some tyrannosauroids that I have quite liked in the past, such as Tarbosaurus and Daspletosaurus, have also become quite uninteresting to me.

Hadrosaurs have just lacked things that appeal to me, and things I like about them for example good fossil remains in some cases, aren't enough to make me like a species.  I can understand that hadrosaurs have qualities that appeal to some people, during times my mum has looked at dinosaurs she's liked hadrosaurs.

With sauropods, it's similar as with hadrosaurs.  As time has passed, I've found many kinds of prehistoric animals that interest me a lot, while sauropods have generally lacked things that appeal to me.  There is one other thing as well.  Even though I generally find bipedal sauropodomorphs more interesting than sauropods, I think it's fine to give more attention to sauropods.  However, I feel the extent to which sauropods have been favoured is too disproportionate.  I think it can be agreed there's a number of good, highly accurate sauropod figures, with more planned.  But there's not even one bipedal sauropodomorph species that has such a figure.  The only one that seems highly accurate to me is the Kaiyodo Dinotales Plateosaurus which is a mini figure that comes in pieces that need to be put together.  This lack of good figures for the more basal part of Sauropodomorpha is terrible in my opinion.  Among the bipedal sauropodomorphs, there's species known from good remains with interesting characteristics such as powerful forelimbs with huge claws, and study has provided a remarkably good understanding of how some of these species lived.

It's interesting to know that there aren't any extinct dinosaurs that you don't like.

[...] I do think Massospondylus and Aardonyx (which would be nice as its the first dinosaur in the alphabet) would be nice, and a decent Plateosaurus of course. Maybe Riojasaurus. (This is the part where you tell me these ones are all known from poor remains and you'd prefer something else). [...]

Hehe!  I hope I haven't come across as harsh when saying an animal is known from poor remains!  I think all of those sauropodomorphs you listed have qualities that make them interesting choices, although Aardonyx is just a little too incompletely known for me personally.  I think Massospondylus, Riojasaurus and Plateosaurus would all be great choices though!  The first two have essentially never been made into a figure, while each Plateosaurus figure has one or more inaccuracies that make the animal look quite unimpressive (excluding the Kaiyodo mini figure I mentioned above).

[...] What other dinosaurs do you like? Do you like Alvarezsaurs? [...]

The extinct dinosaurs I especially like are: Herrerasaurus, Coelophysis, Baryonyx and Suchomimus, ornithomimosaurs, dromaeosaurids, troodontids, bipedal sauropodomorphs, and thyreophorans.  I don't like species known only from poor remains, I see these as too incomplete to have an adequate idea of their nature.  Extinct dinosaurs I didn't list I find either somewhat interesting or just uninteresting.  Alvarezsaurs are somewhat interesting to me.

What about you, Gothmog the Baryonyx, are there dinosaurs you especially like?


Sorry for how long this post is.  I've found this discussion interesting, and I felt it would be good to explain how I feel about certain things.

[Gothmog the Baryonyx]

@Sim thank you, and sorry for the delay.
I see what you mean about Allosauroids and Ceratopsids being, well, not exactly underrepresented as groups in the toy market. To me that doesn't make me like them any less, because I think about them as animals. That said there is a limit to how many Triceratops and Giganotosaurus figures (Unless the Triceratops is of T. prorsus). I like to lesser known animals no matter what group they are from, and I have always had a soft spot for certain Ceratopsids (e.g. Styracosaurus, Chasmosaurus). I am also interesting in the evolution of Ceratopsians from small bipeds int large quadrupeds, and I am interested in the evolution of Allosauroids, though they are not my favourites as a group, there are Allosauroids (such as Mapusaurus) that I rather like. I am interested in plenty of other groups (as I'll come to). My favourite Ceratopsian at the moment though is the non-Ceratopsid Udanoceratops.

I am sorry you can no longer find Daspletosaurus or Tarbosaurus interesting, they are some of my favourite Tyrannosaurids actually (along with Albertosaurus). Again, I understand the issues with Tyrannosaurus. T. rex is overrepresented, and I do feel continued appearance of T. rex certainly takes spot away from more interesting animals. I do like it, I find interesting as a culmination of the evolution of the Tyrannosaur traits and specialisation, and I like seeing feathered or part-feathered depictions. Though I do think if no more T. rex were made for 50 years there would still be more T. rex than any other dinosaur. And then there are the non-Tyrannosaurid-Tyrannosauroids, which I have always found interesting, the fact that small feathered coelurosaurs that have just been going about as they are until they eventually took on a different niche. A decent figure of Eotyrannus for example, would be very nice for me.

With Hadrosaurs, they are a family (or superfamily if you mean Hadrosauroids) which I have always been interested in as well. Maiasaura, Parasaurolophus and Corythosaurus were my childhood favourites, though I now like many others more than P and C. The quality of remains doesn't bother me (except with giant Titanosaurs as below) Whilst they aren't exactly underrepresented (at least compared to certain animals), they are, when compared to other big herbivore families, underrated.  Something to do with their lack of horns or spike or sharp claws I'm guessing. It's common to see them depicted as easy prey. (I don't like Jurassic Evolution or whatever it's called, but I saw clips on youtube of the Velociraptor, Deinonychus and mini-Dilophosaurus jumping up and killing Hadrosaurus with a tiny bite) So that's why I 'feel sorry' for Hadrosaurs. I also find Maiasaura very interesting, was initially surprised to find out they have something like an 87% infant mortality rate for the first year of life - not such "good mothers" after all.

What is it about sauropods than don't appeal to you? I'm not a fan of all those giant titanosaurs which are constantly proposed as "the new biggest dinosaur ever" based on the scrappiest remains. Other than that I quite like sauropods, especially the smaller ones actually, even though Rebbachisaurus is known from poor remains, I still want a Rebbachisaurus ever since I found out about the Rebbachisaurid family. I have always liked Mamenchisaurus and Camarasaurus too. I used to always like quadrupeds more than bipeds, and when I was younger I didn't think the bipeds look good with the long necks and tails (like they would fall over). I obviously don't feel that way now, and many of them are interesting to me.
The lack of them in the toy market I believe can be tied into something else - that Triassic dinosaurs are underrepresented. Beside two Ceolophysis figures, I can't think of any decent Triassic dinosaur figures. And I would like to see some more. Early sauropodomorphs and theropods are both underrepresented (and I see you have Hererrasaurus and Coelophysis on your list too, and Herrerasaurus is one of the most interesting early theropods, especially with certain sauropomorph-like characteristics).

Whilst I do like all dinosaurs and appreciate any lesser known animal (or childhood fave, or new favourite) getting a figure, I do to an extent share your wishes for a greater variety. I'm sure plenty of other dinosaurs could sell.

Nice to see that you are also partial to a Baryonyx.
As for dinosaurs that I particularly like (I certainly have preferences) Baryonyx as I have said, Deinonychus in particular I have been fond of for a long time, and all other Dromaeosaurs in general, along with all other non-avialans maniraptorforms (Oviraptosaurs, Troodontids, Therizinosaurs, Scansoriopterygids and especially Alvarezsaurs (Mononykus and Linhenykus in particular), Tuojiangosaurus and some other stegosaurs like Mirigaia, Dacentrurus and Huayangosaurus (and Stegosaurus itself), Ceratopsians (both ceratopsids and non-ceratopsids - my favourite being the non-Ceratopsid Udanoceratops), Non-tyrannosaurid Tyrannosauroids Yutyrannus, Guanlong & Eotyrannus, as well as the Tyrannosaurids Albertosaurus, Daspletosaurus and Tarbosaurus, Hadrosaurs especially Maiasaura, Brachylophosaurus, Corythosaurus and Edmontosaurus (though I'm starting to really get into "Big Paul" now as well). The sauropod Mamenchisaurus, as well as Amargsaurus and Saltasaurus, and the titanosaur Alamosaurus (which I find the most interesting of the giant titanosaurs yet it always seems to get overlooked), I've also gotten quite into Herrerasaurus, Majungasaurus, Camptosaurus, Kulindadromeus and Cryolophosaurus. I'm probably forgetting one as well.

I am also sorry for a long post but I felt yours was an invitation.

[Gothmog the Baryonyx]

@Sim If you don't mind, what do you think of Lessemsaurus and similar animals? I know they're not bipedal, but do you find them interesting?

[Sim]

@Sim thank you, and sorry for the delay. [...]

@Gothmog the Baryonyx: Sorry for how late I'm replying!  My computer had been malfunctioning, and between one thing and another it's only recently that I've been able to use a working computer that's my own again.  I didn't see any delay from your side, especially not when compared to how much longer it's taken for me to reply in this thread both last time and this time!

[...] What is it about sauropods than don't appeal to you? [...]

I think it's that I don't find general sauropod anatomy particularly interesting, same goes for how sauropods are thought to have lived generally.  Of course, there are other prehistoric animals I feel this way about as well, such as hadrosauroids.  I don't mean to cause any upset by saying any of this, for people who like these types of dinosaurs.

[...] The lack of them in the toy market I believe can be tied into something else - that Triassic dinosaurs are underrepresented. Beside two Ceolophysis figures, I can't think of any decent Triassic dinosaur figures. And I would like to see some more. Early sauropodomorphs and theropods are both underrepresented (and I see you have Hererrasaurus and Coelophysis on your list too, and Herrerasaurus is one of the most interesting early theropods, especially with certain sauropomorph-like characteristics). [...]

I think you're right that the lack of good figures of bipedal sauropodomorphs is linked to Triassic dinosaurs being underrepresented.  Plateosaurus and Riojasaurus are from the Triassic, and so are other interesting species that are more basal such as the carnivorous sauropodomorph Buriolestes and the possible sauropodomorph Eoraptor, and of course Herrerasaurus.  In the list of extinct dinosaurs that I especially like in my previous post, I was including Eoraptor as a bipedal sauropodomorph, although I quite like it whatever it is.  It seems Eoraptor is sometimes still thought to be a theropod, although I don't think there's enough evidence to know for sure whether it's a theropod, sauropodomorph or more basal type of dinosaur.  Similarly, I've seen some varying classifications suggested for where near the base of Dinosauria Herrerasaurus belongs, although I like Herrerasaurus a lot whatever it is and it's among my top 3 favourite prehistoric animals.  Personally, I find the most convincing classifications for those two are Eoraptor being a sauropodomorph and Herrerasaurus being a theropod.  The lack of good figures of these Triassic genera shows that Triassic dinosaurs aren't getting enough attention.  I'm a bit surprised that Eoraptor appears to have never been made into a figure!

However, the story for bipedal sauropodomorphs doesn't end in the the Triassic!  Some bipedal sauropodomorphs lived in the Jurassic, such as Massospondylus, Aardonyx and Lufengosaurus among others.  During the Early Jurassic, bipedal sauropodomorphs were among the dinosaurs that shared their environment with theropods such as Dilophosaurus, Cryolophosaurus and Sinosaurus.

I also think that Coelophysis is the only Triassic dinosaur that's been represented well as a figure, and I'm grateful it has received good representation!  Like you I'd also like more Triassic dinosaurs to get good figures.  The fact that Plateosaurus, which is the most often made Triassic dinosaur, doesn't even have one decent representation I think really highlights what the situation is like.  I'm not even sure how long it's been since the last Plateosaurus figure, perhaps the last one was the CollectA one in 2011?

Even if one of the bipedal sauropodomorphs receives a good figure representation, there's quite a lot of difference among some of these animals, and I hope one day there will be a good figure of Plateosaurus, Riojasaurus and one of the massospondylids (e.g. Massospondylus or Lufengosaurus).  Each of these three types of sauropodomorph looks quite unique, and I also think it would be great to have bipedal sauropodomorphs represented from both the Triassic and the Jurassic.  To help show the differences I'm referring to, there's a comparison below:

Riojasaurus: https://www.deviantart.com/scotthartman/art/La-Rioja-s-ponderous-biped-582857017
Plateosaurus: https://www.deviantart.com/scotthartman/art/Plateosaurus-engelhardti-77929687
Massospondylus: https://www.deviantart.com/scotthartman/art/Prosauropod-stretch-job-303390188


It's nice to read which dinosaurs you particularly like and also to see what ones we both very much like.

[...] I am also sorry for a long post but I felt yours was an invitation.

Hehe!  I enjoyed reading your post!

@Sim If you don't mind, what do you think of Lessemsaurus and similar animals? I know they're not bipedal, but do you find them interesting?

I don't mind you asking this!  As I was responding to this, I've even learnt some interesting new things.  One of the things I found out is that lessemsaurids are sometimes classified as sauropods!  The new thing I learnt that I find most interesting though, is that the quadrupedal sauropod/sauropodomorph Lessemsaurus appears to have shared its environment with the bipedal sauropodomorph Riojasaurus.  Another interesting thing is that quadrupedal species like Lessemsaurus lived even in the Triassic, while bipedal species like Massospondylus lived in the Jurassic as well.  Therefore, while quadrupedal sauropodomorphs evolved from bipedal species, it wasn't just a case of the quadrupeds replacing the bipeds.  For some time, both quadrupedal sauropodomorphs and bipedal sauropodomorphs existed, both sharing an ancestor at some point in their evolution.

As for what I think of Lessemsaurus and similar animals.  Well, whether they are classified as sauropods or not, the way I feel about them is very much like how I feel about sauropods in general.   In other words, I generally find quadrupedal sauropodomorphs not particularly interesting, and this includes Lessemsaurus and similar animals and unequivocal sauropods.

[Gothmog the Baryonyx]

Thank you for replying again.

The sauropod/biped sauropodomorph overlap was something I only found out recently too, and it is fascinating, also only just realised how far into the Cretaceous Stegosaurs lasted.

I always enjoy reading your posts.

[Concavenator]

I read someone asked Eofauna if they planned releasing any more pieces for this year, and they said that they indeed did.I asked them if they had an approximate date for the reveal, and they were kind enough to telling me when can we expect that to happen and they told me that in approximately 2 months they intend to reveal their next model. I don't know if it will be a dinosaur or not , but every time they release something, they put out real gold!

[Shonisaurus]

Eofauna make the prehistoric animal (dinosaur or not) that they make will be something more typical of resin figures. Every day the forum surprises me with some news or several.

Thank you Concavenator for the news transmitted to you by Eofauna!

[Halichoeres]

I read someone asked Eofauna if they planned releasing any more pieces for this year, and they said that they indeed did.I asked them if they had an approximate date for the reveal, and they were kind enough to telling me when can we expect that to happen and they told me that in approximately 2 months they intend to reveal their next model. I don't know if it will be a dinosaur or not , but every time they release something, they put out real gold!

Thanks for the update, but two whole months seems like an agonizingly long time.

[Fembrogon]

Eh, these days I feel like I'm paying attention to so much stuff that I don't have room for anxiousness; there's always something else to catch up on in the meantime.
Hey, now we have a rough estimate for expecting news!

[Concavenator]

https://m.facebook.com/EoFauna/photos/a.494257077281866/3413503922023819/?type=3&source=48

I asked Eofauna what this exactly means, and they have told me that in this magazine they have left some hints as to what their next figure will be.

[Shonisaurus]

I would not be surprised if Eofauna surprised us with a spinosaurus taking into account that this is the year of the spinosaurus is not so crazy that they made one that competed with the other brands or even a feathered Tyrannosaurus that made the competition to Safari, a triceratops, a dilophosaurus (that coincides with the pair of dilborosaurus of Rebor) and even an ostrich dinosaur (pelecanimus (I see it unlikely), struthiomimus, gallimimus (I see them most likely) .All the conjectures are on the table according to the cover of the magazine that shows the facebook page of the Eofauna magazine, in fact we will have news soon, in April they announced that they would unveil another novelty two months later and in fact we are already in June two months have passed since then.

My opinion is a spinosaurus or a feathered tyrannosaurus.

[Ceratopsianking]

If eofauna does a Dilophosaurus next, hopefully it won't look like the one on that book cover

[Shonisaurus]

If eofauna does a Dilophosaurus next, hopefully it won't look like the one on that book cover

Certainly according to you, the dilophosaurus on the cover is not what one would like to have of that emblematic carnivorous theropod.

[Ceratopsianking]

Yeah Looking at the cover I'd like to see that Carnotaurus,Triceratops, and Spinosaurus and also that what is that blue raptor dinosaur, that one looks like it would look great as a figure

[John]

Based on the digital models that were made by Eofauna on the magazine cover,I'm going to make the guess that their next figure will be either:
Triceratops horridus
or
Atlasaurus imelakei

[Shonisaurus]

Honestly if I could choose which dinosaur I wanted to make Eofauna I would lean towards the sauropod atlasaurus imelakei is an unprecedented figure in the figures of collection and even in the figures of toy dinosaurs. The triceratops would be a beautiful figure but this kind of dinosaur is overrepresented.

I hope that the next figure of Eofauna is the atlasaurus imelakei.

[John]

Honestly if I could choose which dinosaur I wanted to make Eofauna I would lean towards the sauropod atlasaurus imelakei is an unprecedented figure in the figures of collection and even in the figures of toy dinosaurs. The triceratops would be a beautiful figure but this kind of dinosaur is overrepresented.

I hope that the next figure of Eofauna is the atlasaurus imelakei.

I would be happy with either one.
Whatever is next will probably be something no one is even thinking of.

[Syndicate Bias]

While I wouldn't be too excited with a Triceratops I honestly don't care. There are many people who would want it just as much as I want every company and artist to make a Giganotosaurus because yes 

Whatever it turns out to be it will be great. There is always someone else who also needs their dinosaur done right