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PNSO: New For 2021

Started by Takama, December 02, 2020, 08:27:09 PM

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SidB

Quote from: Carnoking on July 14, 2021, 04:21:23 PM
40 dollars shipped seems a bit much for that little thing but then again that's nothing new for PNSO.
Forty would be a deal for me, believe it or not, I live in Toronto and shipping for me will be 20-22 USD, on top of the 32.99 for the figure. Ouch. But that's cheap compared with ordering the new version of the Safari T-rex which added $30.00 postage and customs to boot , plus currency exchange - impossibly expensive.


HD-man

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Quote from: Faras on July 14, 2021, 01:06:57 PMDimensions wise wise they are the same.

Sorry, but based on the info provided, that's just not true. The Chinese book is 11.42 x 1.1 x 14.49 inches, while the field guide is 9 x 0.5 x 12 inches. Like I said in my previous post, "very different dimensions (E.g. The Chinese version is over twice as thick)", which seems to suggest that they're different books.
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Faras

#2102
So... here's translation of scientific info on Chinese store pages since new Stego. I'll put corresponding pics in spoilers to avoid flooding this thread. I'm only posting images with texts here, if you want more pics, check out the store links (and comment section for in hand pics) :) Apologise for my awful translation, gramma errors and whatnot ;D


New Stegosaurus

Based on specimen USNM 4934 so it's a Stegosaurus stenops

Link: https://m.modian.com/product/17557389312.html

How did Zhao Chuang and Yang Yang create Stegosaurus Biber and Rook?

Head of Stegosaurus: Stego has thin, narrow and long skull which is roughly 40cm in length. On this small head sits a pair of not-very-big eyes. Most of dinosaurs have antorbital fenestra, a structure related to respiration and reduction of skull weight. Stego however presents a special case as its antorbital fenestra opening closed, leaving tiny bit of depression on the skull.

Throat armour of Stegosaurus: Stego has solid throat armour beneath its neck. Closely packed osteoderms (PNSO wrote bone plates here) with size of coins grew from mandible to below the neck, forming prefect protection for Stego's neck.

*Skull fossil of Stegosaurus
*Throat armour fossil of Stegosaurus
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Limbs of Stegosaurus: Stego's forelimbs are significantly shorter as they are about half the length of its hindlimbs. Fibula and tibia are much shorter than femur in hindlimbs, ulna and radius are about same length as humerus in forelimbs. These indicate Stego was a slow moving animal.
Stego has 5 toes on forelimbs 3 on hindlimbs. Similar to tortoise, Stego has flat, hoof-like claws and thick pads on feet help spreading body weight.

*Forelimb fossils of Stegosaurus
*Hindlimb fossils of Stegosaurus
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Plates of Stegosaurus: Plates of Stegosaurids are highly specialised osteoderms which is similar to some structures on modern crocodiles and lizards. These plates did not grow on bones - they were connected to Stego's skin. Imprints of plates were discovered amongst Hesperosaurus fossils. Contrary to old reconstructions that cover those plates with skin, these imprints show that plates were covered in keratin and had sharp edges. Stego's plates might had structures similar to Hesperosaurus' plates.

*Reconstruction of male Hesperosaurus' plate
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Tail spikes of Stegosaurus: Stego has 4 long and sharp spikes at tip of the tail as weapon for active defense. Those four spikes are about 1m in length, grew in symmetrical pairs and are angled nearly horizontally.

*Tail spikes of Stegosaurus in vertical view
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Young Stegosaurus: fossil tracks of baby Stego exhibited in Morrison Natural History Museum are only 3cm wide. Interestingly all these footprints were left by hind feet, which means young Stego could walk bipedally.
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Tarbosaurus

Link: https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-b-s.w4011-21436938511.73.31734f68h9H60G&id=647181726422&rn=bfa2dc28f0cd694c60fc83a95c2d796f&abbucket=7

How did Zhao Chuang and Yang Yang create Chuanzi the Tarbosaurus?

Size of Chuanzi the Tarbosaurus: Tarbo is large predator that could nearly reach T-rex sizes. However Tarbo is not as robust as T-rex and has narrower torso. We made Chuanzi about 11m in length, with strong neck, body and tail.

*Model design: Sci-artist Zhao Chuang
*Chuanzi the Tarbosaurus - materials: eco PVC, hand painted, figure size: 31cm x 6cm x 11cm (32.5cm along the curves), package size: 32cm x 8.6cm x 12.2cm
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Head of Chuanzi the Tarbosaurus: Though both Tarbo and T-rex are both giant predators of Tyrannosaurids, Tarbo has narrower head which is caused by differences in mandibles. T-rex has wide and flexible mandible while Tarbo has narrow and tough jaw bones. Those differences were result of their different habitats. Tarbo lived in Mongolia where sauropods such as Nemegtosaurus used to roam. Huge sauropods rarely leave the pack, hunting those giants would require special equipment, and evolution granted Tarbo stiff jaw as they combated sauropods. T-rex lived in North American were such gigantic preys were absent, hence they had no need for stiff mandible. Differences between Tarbo and T-rex were caused of their adaptation to survive in different fauna. We represented these special features on Tarbo's head when reconstructing it.

*Chuanzi the Tarbosaurus' whole face is narrower than T-rex's
*Articulated jaw
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Forelimbs of Chuanzi the Tarbosaurus: All Tyrannosaurids have small forelimbs, especially so for T-rex's as its small arms have always a subject of delight. In fact the smallest forelimbs to body proportions in Tyrannosaur family is observed on Tarbo instead of T-rex. Therefore, we can see tiny arms on reconstruction of Chuanzi the Tarbosaurus.

*Skeletal reconstruction of Tarbosaurus' forelimbs
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Skin of Chuanzi the Tarbosaurus: We incorporated skin impressions of the Tarbo's throat and shoulder regions, and middle part of Tarbo's tail (right side) when reconstructing Tarbo's skin. So far there's no evidence on Tarbo's skin colour, we decided to give Tarbo grey-ish skin as it lived in swamps.

*Scales of the Tarbosaurus' throat and shoulder regions
*Scales of the Tarbosaurus' middle right part of the tail
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Torvosaurus

Link: https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-b-s.w4011-21436938511.68.31734f68h9H60G&id=648435814544&rn=bfa2dc28f0cd694c60fc83a95c2d796f&abbucket=7

How did Zhao Chuang and Yang Yang create Connor the Torvosaurus?

Size of Connor the Torvosaurus: Folks usually think of Allosaurus when "apex predators of Jurassic" is mentioned. There's a another equally powerful yet less known dinosaur that used to walk the same earth as Allosaurus -- Torvosaurus. Torvo is big, measures about 9-11m in length and 5 tons in weight. Torvo was highly likely a powerful predator despite its fossils are less commonly found.

*Model design: Sci-artist Zhao Chuang
*Connor the Torvosaurus - materials: eco PVC, hand painted, figure size: 29.5cm x 3.5cm x 8.5cm (30cm along the curves)
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Forelimbs of Torvosaurus: Torvo has three claws on each arm, the first claw is huge and sharp like sickle. Torvo could control its preys with ease despite that its forelimbs have limited range of movements. When Connor the Torvosaurus found his favourate prey, his teeth and arms could always coordinate well. Torvo would either bite the prey first then pull it closer with claws, or control the prey with forelimbs before biting (huh?).

*Skeletal reconstruction of Torvo's forelimbs
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Head of Torvosaurus: The most distinct characteristic of Torvo is its over 1m long big head. Head of Torvo is somewhat similar to T-rex's in shape and tough/thick look. Indeed its solid head could endure violent impacts and resist damages when Torvo was attacking prey or being attacked. Torvo also has a robust neck to support such a big head and to reduce impact from ramming on the head.

*Skull reconstruction of Torvosaurus
*Articulated jaw
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Hindlimbs of Torvosaurus: Torvo's gigantic size did not influence its speed when chasing prey thanks to its long and thick leg bones which provided power and strength. No wonder Connor the Torvosaurus stood at apex of food chain. Still caution was required when Torvo walked next to Allosaurus, or Ceratosaurus which is small but often hunt in packs.

*Skeletal reconstruction of Torvo's hindlimbs
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Morrison Formation dino stars: Connor the Torvosaurus, Paul the Allosaurus, Biber and Rook the Stegosaurus
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Kronosaurus

Link: https://zhongchou.modian.com/item/113464.html?_ga=2.151315775.706773534.1624481727-931696121.1624481727

Kronosaurus was one of the most ferocious monsters in oceans. As a giant Pliosaurid, Kronosaurus relied on its huge body, fast speed, massive mouth, thick teeth, powerful bites etc to easily hunt fishes, sea-turtles, big cephalopods and even its own kins. Krono is truly an extinct extradentary hunter of the seas.

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*Jeff the Kronosaurus - figure size: 24.6cm x 13.1cm x 8cm (27.2cm along the curves), material: eco PVC, hand painted.
*Model design: Sci-artist Zhao Chuang
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How did Zhao Chuang and Yang Yang create Jeff the Kronosaurus?

Size of Kronosaurus: Krono is unquestionably a big member of Pliosaurids, but the estimations of its size have changed quite a bit recently. People used to believe that Krono could reach 12.8m, some even thought it could grow longer than 15m, but new evidences show that Krono is only 9-10.9m in length. We made this Krono 9.5m in length based on new estimations.

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Head of Kronosaurus: The long and heavy head of Jeff the Kronosaurus was the focus of our reconstruction. Its mouth of nearly the same length of the skull, thick and cone-shaped teeth and robust lower jaw made Krono a dreadful predator in the oceans. It had well developed vomeronasal organ in the mouth which allowed Krono to taste scent of food in sea water with its tongue. We presented these in our reconstruction. We reconstructed mouth muscles of Jeff the Kronosaurus based on modern reptiles, and Jeff's eyes based on crocodile's.

*Skull reconstruction of Kronosaurus
*Mouth musculature reconstruction of Kronosaurus
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Body shape of Kronosaurus: Krono has shorter and thicker body based on new studies, so we gave Jeff robust body during reconstruction. It had thick fat layers and perfectly streamlined body. New studies hypothesised that Krono had tail structures similar to those in manatee and therefore might had horizontal tail flukes, we incorporated this in our reconstruction.
(PS: horizontal tail fluke was actually an old hypothesis dating back to 1910. By recent studies PNSO probably meant: Peculiarities of the Structure and Locomotor Function of the Tail in Sauropterygia)

*Tail fluke
*Flippers
*Flippers
*Neck
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T-rex and Sinoceratops Bookstands

T-rex head sculpt is 1:15, Sinoceratops one is 1:10

Link: https://zhongchou.modian.com/item/114247.html?_ga=2.110995971.706773534.1624481727-931696121.1624481727

... ads for bookstands... This time we present brand new desktop sculptures of Wilson the T-rex and A-Qi the Sinoceratops with recent studies for these two taxon, hope you'll enjoy them.

*Model design: Sci-artist Zhao Chuang
*Wilson the T-rex - figure size: 13cm x 14.5cm x 15.1cm, material: eco resin
*A-Qi the Sinoceratops - figure size: 13cm x 13cm x 18cm, material: eco resin
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How did Zhao Chuang and Yang Yang create head sculpt of Wilson the T-rex?

Wilson the T-rex's mouth was the focus of this reconstruction, let's first look at its upper jaw. If you look closely at T-rex fossils, you'll notice plenty of depressions on maxilla that have visible shapes and follow certain pattern. We emphasized on these depressions on maxilla and gave each depression skin with large scales which is connected to trigeminal nerve when reconstructing Wilson the T-rex. These scaly skin structures expand to the teeth, therefore Wilson the T-rex didn't have lips (That's what PNSO wrote, so don't stare at me! ;D)

*Depressions on T-rex maxilla
*Large scaly skin
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Teeth of Wilson the T-rex: Few of modern quadruped have exposed teeth. In terrestrial animals, only specialised teeth like ivory and incisors of rodents, poisonous fangs of some snakes and "fake teeth" of some birds are exposed. In aquatic a few taxon have exposed teeth, e.g. crocodiles and Ganges Dolphin. Species with exposed teeth could be commonly seen in Mesozoic however, for example many dinosaurs, pterosaurs, birds and terrestrial crocodiles. We gave Wilson the T-rex exposed teeth based on deep holes on its maxilla which allow the teeth on lower jaw to fit in and make upper jaw wrap tightly around lower jaw when the mouth is closed. Wilson has uneven teeth on upper jaw as T-rex replace teeth frequently.

*Teeth on lower jaw fit in hole structures
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snout of Wilson the T-rex: We made significant changes in this new head reconstruction of Wilson the T-rex: its nasal cavity is bigger, and its nasal openings are closer to the mouth. Solid keratin structures sit above the nose.

Eyes of Wilson the T-rex: Some T-rex specimens have fossilized keratin structures above the eyes, this means living T-rex might had well developed, bright-coloured keratin structures which could help it hunt or fight. We presented this in your reconstruction of Wilson the T-rex.

*Keratin structures
*Keratin structures above eyes of T-rex
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Neck of Wilson the T-rex: We found that T-red had very thick neck muscles via recent scientific studies on reconstruction of T-rex neck musculature, so this new reconstruction has a more robust neck. Skin impression shows that T-rex has extreme fine scales: the back of neck was covered by goose bumps and sides of neck were covered by polygon scales in irregular arrangement, we fully represented these features on the model. Scaly skin with 1.5-2cm buckle ups in irregular arrangement around the throat and near the chest was reconstructed based on Tarbo skin impressions.

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Edit: oops forgot to mention that postcard that comes with Wilson head sculpt shows T-rex with feathers on the back of neck. In fact most if not all Tyrannosaurids have some feathers in Zhao's artworks. Interesting why PNSO chose to remove them from figures.
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How did Zhao Chuang and Yang Yang create head sculpt of A-Qi the Sinoceratops?

Frills of A-Qi the Sinoceratops: facial horns and frills are the most distinct features of Ceratopsians, so these were the main focus for head reconstruction of A-Qi the Sinoceratops. Based on fossils, we gave A-Qi the Sinoceratops wide and roundish frill with a short horn-like structure in the middle of the top edge. Starting from this short horn, horn-like structures which curve downward spread along the edge of frill. These curved horns are separated to two parts by ditches in the middle, each part merge with adjacent horns and form rivet-shaped structures at roots of the horns. Curved horns are sequentially shorter from top to sides with exception of third last horns. Thes peculiar horns are forked, possibly result from merging of two horns. These features are well presented on head sculpt of A-Qi the Sinoceratops.

*Short horn-like structure
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Snout horn of A-Qi the Sinoceratops: A-Qi the Sinoceratops has a short snout horn and no supraorbital horn. Snout horns and horny structures on the fril were covered by keratin when A-Qi the Sinoceratops was alive, making those structures look longer and sharper than on fossils. Majority of Ceratopsians have narrow snouts while A-Qi the Sinoceratops has wide base with nodular buckle ups which were apparently covered by keratin underneath snout horn. Keratin beneath snout horn might stretch all the way to above the eyes (what they didn't mention here is that scientists found skin impression of scaly skin around the edge of Triceratops' frill in 2018, which is probably why A-Qi doesn't come with "full keratin face mask"). So we can see A-Qi the Sinoceratops has a wide snout in this head reconstruction.

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Face of A-Qi the Sinoceratops: Aside from different snout, A-Qi the Sinoceratops also has special orbit structures. Unlike other Ceratopsians, it doesn't have prominent eye sockets, though fossils show the orbit still have depressions, meaning they were probably covered by keratin or large scales. All Ceratopsians have big nasal cavities, so we place the nasal openings close to the mouth and facing downward so it wouldn't chock in rain during reconstruction. Based on recent studies, Ceratopsians masseters were inclined and reaching backward to connect to temporal fenestra behind jugal, instead of connected to maxilla, this indicates Ceratopsians has lizard-like lipped, big oral aperture instead of cheeks in old reconstructions. These features are shown in reconstruction of A-Qi the Sinoceratops.

Scales of A-Qi the Sinoceratops: We used fine hexagon scales common amongst Centrosaurids in reconstruction of A-Qi the Sinoceratops' scales. Scales beneath the throat and neck were sculpted at smaller sizes according to corresponding skin impressions of Triceratops.

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ugh done for now as store pages for other figures contain booklet style stories   ;)

Faras

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H @HD-man Chinese version use extra thick, two-sides coated art paper, I kinda doubt that English version would use same paper as listed price on Amazon is cheaper than official price for Chinese ones (English books of same print quality usually cost twice more). Length and width wise the US and China probably use different standards and small adjustments are probably easy to make with picture books. On the other hand there's no other similar Chinese books, so for me the small page count difference (English ones having 8 more than Chinese) suggest they are the same.

HD-man

Quote from: Faras on July 14, 2021, 09:41:20 PMChinese version use extra thick, two-sides coated art paper, I kinda doubt that English version would use same paper as listed price on Amazon is cheaper than official price for Chinese ones (English books of same print quality usually cost twice more).

That's a possibility I didn't previously consider. I guess we'll have to wait & see before we know for sure.
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ceratopsian

avatar_Faras @Faras - thank you so much for taking the time to make these translations for us. I greatly appreciate having access to them. (And don't be so modest about your excellent English!)

Mattyonyx

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Thank you avatar_Faras @Faras for the translations, a very interesting read!

Now, about the PNSO Nanotyrannus, I have a question for you fellow members: do you think it would be easier to make the BotM juvenile T. rex pass as a Nanotyrannus, or the other way around with the PNSO figure?

stargatedalek

Quote from: Mattyonyx on July 14, 2021, 11:51:21 PM
Thank you avatar_Faras @Faras for the translations, a very interesting read!

Now, about the PNSO Nanotyrannus, I have a question for you fellow members: do you think it would be easier to make the BotM juvenile T. rex pass as a Nanotyrannus, or the other way around with the PNSO figure?
There is no juvie rex "passing as" nanotyrannus or vice versa. Juvenile rex fossils are "nanotyrannus".

suspsy

Quote from: Mattyonyx on July 14, 2021, 11:51:21 PM
Thank you avatar_Faras @Faras for the translations, a very interesting read!

Now, about the PNSO Nanotyrannus, I have a question for you fellow members: do you think it would be easier to make the BotM juvenile T. rex pass as a Nanotyrannus, or the other way around with the PNSO figure?

"Nanotyrannus" does not exist, so it's a moot point.
Untitled by suspsy3, on Flickr

SRF

avatar_Faras @Faras thank you very much for your translations! Very interesting to read.

The Nanotyrannus now pops up at different stores on AliExpress, but not at the two I've purchased from earlier (Model Toy Center & My Online Toy Store). MTC actually seems to have no recent PNSO figures in stock anymore. Perhaps they have faced another penalty again like they have a few months back?

Does anyone know how reliable stores like Jurassic Zoo and Pop Shack store are? I thought Jurassic Zoo was related to the whole scandal surrounding the Irritator from Dino Hazard?
But today, I'm just being father


Kapitaenosavrvs

#2110
Thank you very much, avatar_Faras @Faras! That was a lot of Work. And a great Read. Thanks.

avatar_SRF @SRF I do not know, but i always had all the PNSOs from these Stores in my shopping cart. Since it began in 2020 with the new Waves of Figures. They are now almost empty. My online Toy Store and Model Toy Center did delete them from the Store and reintegrated them with the new, more expensive Prices. :( I do not like that. Now PNSO is this "too expensive as a regular Maincompany" for me again. Like it was before the End of 2020. Plus VAT.

EDIT: I wrote Jurassic Toy Store on AE, after "we" here were told about this and they responded friendly and said they did not know and will investigate further. The Figure was also removed from their Store a few Days after it went bigger. The Package i recieved from them was fast and very well packed. But maybe others had different experiences.

Leyster

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avatar_Faras @Faras very interesting, thank you! One question: here
Quote from: Faras on July 13, 2021, 04:36:45 PM
e.g. Tarbo was probably given grey colouration, robust build and big feets cause it lived in swamps and hunted Sauropods).
you mention the big feet, but in the text you translated there is no mention of Tarbosaurus feet, only that Nemegt was swampy.
"Dinosaurs lived sixty five million years ago. What is left of them is fossilized in the rocks, and it is in the rock that real scientists make real discoveries. Now what John Hammond and InGen did at Jurassic Park is create genetically engineered theme park monsters, nothing more and nothing less."

Faelrin

avatar_SRF @SRF I got my PNSO minis from Pop Shack Store a few months ago, so they're legit.
Film Accurate Mattel JW and JP toys list (incl. extended canon species, etc):
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Every Single Mainline Mattel Jurassic World Species A-Z; 2024 toys added!:
https://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=9974.0

Most produced Paleozoic genera (visual encyclopedia):
https://dinotoyblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=9144.0

Faras

Thank you all for your very kind words! Hope PNSO keeps posting interesting info with new figures, and I shall try my best to share it with community :)

Quote from: Mattyonyx on July 14, 2021, 11:51:21 PM
Now, about the PNSO Nanotyrannus, I have a question for you fellow members: do you think it would be easier to make the BotM juvenile T. rex pass as a Nanotyrannus, or the other way around with the PNSO figure?

Hmm imho it's probably easier to make PNSO Nano pass as juvenile T-rex with it's puppy eyes similar to baby rex/Sinoceratops' since I have no idea about teeth on BotM one (adult T-rex has 12 per side of jaw, Nano has 17). Though if Nano becomes valid and if Bloody Mary (Duelling Dinosaurs) with its massive forelimbs qualifies as Nano in the future, neither would count as adult Nano (still work as juvenile Nano though).

Quote from: Leyster on July 15, 2021, 11:24:05 AM
you mentin the big feet, but in the text you translated there is no mention of Tarbosaurus feet, only that Nemegt was swampy.

Oops sorry! Seems my head mixed up my own assumptions and what I actually read  :o


Mattyonyx

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Quote from: Faras on July 15, 2021, 02:34:09 PM
Quote from: Mattyonyx on July 14, 2021, 11:51:21 PM
Now, about the PNSO Nanotyrannus, I have a question for you fellow members: do you think it would be easier to make the BotM juvenile T. rex pass as a Nanotyrannus, or the other way around with the PNSO figure?

Hmm imho it's probably easier to make PNSO Nano pass as juvenile T-rex with it's puppy eyes similar to baby rex/Sinoceratops' since I have no idea about teeth on BotM one (adult T-rex has 12 per side of jaw, Nano has 17). Though if Nano becomes valid and if Bloody Mary (Duelling Dinosaurs) with its massive forelimbs qualifies as Nano in the future, neither would count as adult Nano (still work as juvenile Nano though).
Thank you, this is the kind of reasoned thought I wanted to read.

Psittacoraptor

avatar_SRF @SRF Wow, you weren't kidding about the raised prices. I ordered the Yutyrannus last week for 38,50$ incl. shipping and 19% tax, when I put in in my card now it would be 47$.

avatar_Faras @Faras Could PNSO tell a store to set a certain price? Maybe it's different in China but usually stores can set their own prices. This might backfire on them because I imagine quite a few people will think twice before ordering now, especially from the EU.

stargatedalek

Quote from: Mattyonyx on July 15, 2021, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: Faras on July 15, 2021, 02:34:09 PM
Quote from: Mattyonyx on July 14, 2021, 11:51:21 PM
Now, about the PNSO Nanotyrannus, I have a question for you fellow members: do you think it would be easier to make the BotM juvenile T. rex pass as a Nanotyrannus, or the other way around with the PNSO figure?

Hmm imho it's probably easier to make PNSO Nano pass as juvenile T-rex with it's puppy eyes similar to baby rex/Sinoceratops' since I have no idea about teeth on BotM one (adult T-rex has 12 per side of jaw, Nano has 17). Though if Nano becomes valid and if Bloody Mary (Duelling Dinosaurs) with its massive forelimbs qualifies as Nano in the future, neither would count as adult Nano (still work as juvenile Nano though).
Thank you, this is the kind of reasoned thought I wanted to read.
What? So because someone agreed that Nanotyrannus was real that's what counted as "reasoned thought"?

The number of tooth thing is nonsense, as all Tyrannosaurs loose some of their total tooth count as they grow. Most of the original describers of Nanotyrannus no longer believe it to be real, some being among the first to seriously question it's validity. And every specimen known is a juvenile, juveniles that happen to line up perfectly with expected growth patterns of Tyrannosaurus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrannosaurus#Nanotyrannus

Faras

#2117
Quote from: stargatedalek on July 15, 2021, 06:51:13 PM
What? So because someone agreed that Nanotyrannus was real that's what counted as "reasoned thought"?

The number of tooth thing is nonsense, as all Tyrannosaurs loose some of their total tooth count as they grow. Most of the original describers of Nanotyrannus no longer believe it to be real, some being among the first to seriously question it's validity. And every specimen known is a juvenile, juveniles that happen to line up perfectly with expected growth patterns of Tyrannosaurus.

Well he never ask whether Nano was valid, and I never said Nano was valid. I suppose what the most believe about Nano shouldn't ban people from discussing stuffs presuming "if Nano was valid"  :)

From what I read, evidences support tooth loss in Albertosaurus libratus and some other archosaurs, and that was used to explain differences between CNMH 7541 and adult T-rex  (I couldn't find article stating "all" Tyrannosaurs loose teeth during growth, so please enlighten me), but there's 4-5 years old Baby Bob with 12 teeth - ofc it could be "individual difference", and depends on your view on undescribed private fossils this may or may not count as evidence. Similarly, there are other undescribed "Nano" specimens so the article stated "the holotype and all currently referred specimens" are juveniles instead of "every specimen known". Three most complete specimens, including "Nano" BMRP 2002.4.1 "Jane" were used to draw the first ontogram for growth patterns, so unsurprisingly CNMH 7541 fits in. Besides, not all referred or suspected "Nano" specimens like BMRP 2006.4.4, BHI 6625"Chomper", AMNH 30564 were included in 44 specimens used for growth patterns.

Quote from: Mattyonyx on July 15, 2021, 04:33:26 PM
Thank you, this is the kind of reasoned thought I wanted to read.

You are most welcome :) hmm though now I think about it again, BoTM one has lips which means normally we wouldn't see all the teeth, besides mouth can be closed to hide everything, so it could potentially pass as both even if Nano becomes valid (while PNSO one with its exposed 17 teeth might not qualify as juvenile rex then).

Quote from: Psittacoraptor on July 15, 2021, 05:41:09 PM
Could PNSO tell a store to set a certain price? Maybe it's different in China but usually stores can set their own prices. This might backfire on them because I imagine quite a few people will think twice before ordering now, especially from the EU.

*scratches head* hmm thought enforcing regional pricing policies on registered retailers was a common practice globally? Did some international shopping before, big online stores from Europe, the US and China all had listed prices following regional pricing policies on stuffs like mattress, shoes, electronic stuffs and PC parts. Those well established stores on AliExpress probably signed contracts with PNSO to get bulk supplies at low price which bind them to some rules. Tho ofc individual retailers, or middlemen who resell items purchased from Chinese stores and signed nothing are not bound to regional pricing :)

hmm since price is becoming a serious issue, maybe it's worth asking if those sellers on AliExpress would help you place orders in their Chinese Taobao stores so they can sell figures cheaper without breaking some rules? Shady practice... but many would be willing. Or order directly from Taobao, just found a guide here: https://www.howtotao.com/buy-from-taobao/ (though probably need to contact PNSO for exchange when figures are bought from Taobao)

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Gothmog the Baryonyx

To discuss "if Nanotyrannus becomes valid" is still silly and pointless. It was not real, and never will be. The very premise is unreasonable. Might as well discuss the possibility of what will happen if bigfoot is discovered.

I do hope PNSO remember that sauropods exist, pterosaurs too.
Megalosaurus, Iguanodon, Archaeopteryx, Cetiosaurus, Compsognathus, Hadrosaurus, Brontosaurus, Tyrannosaurus, Triceratops, Albertosaurus, Herrerasaurus, Stenonychosaurus, Deinonychus, Maiasaura, Carnotaurus, Baryonyx, Argentinosaurus, Sinosauropteryx, Microraptor, Citipati, Mei, Tianyulong, Kulindadromeus, Zhenyuanlong, Yutyrannus, Borealopelta, Caihong

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Kind of see this argument of Nanotyrannus is valid or not as pointless. Yes I will say PNSO should have just made a juvi Tyrannosaurus, but I don't mind the bold move of making a Nanotyrannus. Has a company ever made this nonexistent/existent (depending where you stand I guess) species?

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