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Douglassarachne, the spiny arachnid of Mazon Creek

Started by Halichoeres, June 10, 2024, 10:33:45 PM

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Halichoeres

From the same Carboniferous locality that gave us the Tully Monster, a spiny-legged arachnid, maybe suggesting some fairly mean predators. Its exact relationships aren't known, but it's probably not a true spider. Still, a very cool addition to the Mazon fauna.

Fossil and interpretive diagram:


Open access in Journal of Paleontology: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-paleontology/article/remarkable-spiny-arachnid-from-the-pennsylvanian-mazon-creek-lagerstatte-illinois/0E1B32BAFCAEA067018EF9BF349F8B81
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This is so very cool.  I grew up near the Braidwood, Illinois region of the Mazon Creek Lagerstatte and visited it once with a botany class where I was lucky enough to find a nodule with a nice fern leaf inside.  It's still a treasured possession that evokes fond memories.  ^-^  I'd love to return to it one day, but not sure what it would take to get permission to collect there.   
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Bowhead Whale

Very weird creature indeed. It looks a lot more like a giand acarid than a real spider. I have, in my life, never seen a spider with a segmented abdomen. Do you think this fossilized animal was a true arachnid? It does have the right number of legs, of course, but its segmented body makes me wonder...

Ludodactylus

Quote from: Bowhead Whale on June 13, 2024, 09:55:44 PMVery weird creature indeed. It looks a lot more like a giand acarid than a real spider. I have, in my life, never seen a spider with a segmented abdomen. Do you think this fossilized animal was a true arachnid? It does have the right number of legs, of course, but its segmented body makes me wonder...

My first thought was that it looks like a thick-legged member of the opiliones, aka harvestmen/"daddy longlegs."
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Bowhead Whale

Quote from: Ludodactylus on June 13, 2024, 10:06:19 PM
Quote from: Bowhead Whale on June 13, 2024, 09:55:44 PMVery weird creature indeed. It looks a lot more like a giand acarid than a real spider. I have, in my life, never seen a spider with a segmented abdomen. Do you think this fossilized animal was a true arachnid? It does have the right number of legs, of course, but its segmented body makes me wonder...

My first thought was that it looks like a thick-legged member of the opiliones, aka harvestmen/"daddy longlegs."

That is indeed possible. Do we have any other example of thick-legged opiliones animals in fossils or in modern times? Asking by sheer curiosity.

Halichoeres

Quote from: Totoro on June 11, 2024, 03:14:08 PMThis is so very cool.  I grew up near the Braidwood, Illinois region of the Mazon Creek Lagerstatte and visited it once with a botany class where I was lucky enough to find a nodule with a nice fern leaf inside.  It's still a treasured possession that evokes fond memories.  ^-^  I'd love to return to it one day, but not sure what it would take to get permission to collect there.   

I went with some friends last year and the permit was pretty simple, fill out online and print it out. Didn't find much but it was fun anyway!

Quote from: Bowhead Whale on June 13, 2024, 09:55:44 PMVery weird creature indeed. It looks a lot more like a giand acarid than a real spider. I have, in my life, never seen a spider with a segmented abdomen. Do you think this fossilized animal was a true arachnid? It does have the right number of legs, of course, but its segmented body makes me wonder...

Yeah, it's definitely not a true spider, but it's more closely related to them than to harvestmen or mites. It just has this primitive segmentation, like spiders' other relatives, the amblypygids and vinegaroons.
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Cenozoic Fauna

avatar_Bowhead Whale @Bowhead Whale regarding opiliones, there is a modern genus called Trogulus comprised of a number of species which have larger limbs than other opiliones.









Also very fascinating fossil species

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