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Jurassic World: Rebirth (July 2, 2025) 🦕

Started by Giganotosaurus, January 22, 2024, 08:12:19 PM

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Faelrin

I like that the toes are webbed on the Spinosaurus. Sure it doesn't have the first digit as weight bearing. I think that feature was absent on the Mattel figures?

Also hoping for the new Dilophosaurus. Really like the callback to the novel design on it.
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Blade-of-the-Moon

#701
Quote from: Faelrin on May 30, 2025, 11:06:09 PMAlso hoping for the new Dilophosaurus. Really like the callback to the novel design on it.

I noticed this but it took me awhile. My understanding from the novel was their whole body was yellowish with the leopard like spots on it not the frill, which the novel version lacked?

Faelrin

Yeah, no frill, completely covered more or less. But it's a fun little nod to it, considering the scene it takes place in is too.
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MLMjp

#703
I've been very busy and could not join the discussion here. I'm sure you guys have already talked about this, but I need to express myself even if it is redundant.

On the one hand, gold, you have Gareth Edwards as the director, the raft scene (the TV spots already spolied almost the whole thing), the Tyrannosaurus looks amazing, everything looks amazing (for the most part). The overall visual appearance of the film is great.

On the other hand, pain agonizing failure, they lied to us, these are not mutants, they are hybrids, with mutations sure, but still hybrids. You don't get a thing like those Mutadons by accident, you purposely make them.

These things are straight up dragons or Rodan wannabes, we have entered full Chaos Effect territory. Just when I was at the verge of giving the Distortus a chance as a mutated clone that somehow grow gigant extra arms... nah, these creaures are straight up monsters, no more realistic takes like the Indos, just man made abominations that DON'T BELONG IN THE JURASSIC FRANCHISE.

I'm starting to think Velociraptors are not even in film and the renders we have are just for show, as these things already fill their role, just look at the gas station scene and see how they are making a homage (riping off) to the kitchen scene. The references were cool back in 2015, and I still like those, but after that they just feel unninspiring.

Speaking about filling roles. What these things can do that a Velociraptor and a Pteranodon can't? In fact here is an idea, have a scene that involves both Velociraptors and Pteranodons. The humans are fleeing from one only to run into the other, and thus we have a brief dispute betwen the Raptor and Pteranodons, imagine a Pteranodon striking a Velociraptor with it's beak, or a Velociraptor jumping on a Pteranodon to bring it down...

The whole big bad super dinosaur worked with the Indominus, it was just one, unique, new. All these subsequent atempts to do it again just cheapen it's impact. The only one that also worked was the Scorpius, and only beacuse it was on an animated TV show.

I already complained long ago about the plot, dinosaurs around the world are gone beacause we say so, back to an island to gather DNA. This would have been a much better plot for JP3, but it's too late for that. Aparently it has been said that the research facility of the island was operational in the period between JP3 and JW (2015), wich means the abominations were created in more recent times as supposed to the 90's, which makes things a little more belivable, but that's it. Also, this film's Mosasaurus is a new one, that means that there has been a free roaming Mosaurus before the events of Fallen Kingdom...

My whole take on this is... why did Gareth Edwards signed up for this? I know he likes monsters but... if he is a fan I don't understand how he is ok with this... If I was him, I would have demanded the mutadons to be removed, and the Distortus to be changed into something else.


Blade-of-the-Moon

Well Gareth was brought on to direct a film that was written and already had started pre-production. He had very little say outside of actual directing duties.  I'm more concerned about the paleo advisor position but it seems they get vetoed a lot as well.  Maybe if there is a 2nd film in this new trilogy Gareth will stay on and can offer more insight.

I'm already labeling this film JW:Chaos Effect in my head anyway so really anything will work at this point.  I wonder if the draconic mutadons are in response to HTTYD that's coming out soon? Cross franchising?

MLMjp

#705
It saddens me to say this, but I'm probably not going to see this in theaters unless it somehow gets somewhat positve reviews. Basically, I'm gonna let Rotten Tomatoes decide for me.

There's a part of me that whises that the film doesn't get good box office results so the movies stop for a while (can't belive I'm saying this), or at least for Universal to rethink their strategy. I don't see this bombing, but perhaps Superman and Fantastic 4 manage to outperform it.

Again, I dont like saying this, but... :'(

As always, the toys and hopefully Jurassic World Evolution 3 will be the saving grace here.

Dilopho

Quote from: MLMjp on May 31, 2025, 05:34:37 PMIt saddens me to say this, but I'm probably not going to see this in theaters unless it somehow gets somewhat positve reviews. Basically, I'm gonna let Rotten Tomatoes decide for me.

There's a part of me that whises that the film doesn't get good box office results so the movies stop for a while  (can belive I'm saying this), or at least for Universal to rethink their strategy. I don't see this bombing, but perhaps Superman and Fantastic 4 manage to outperform it.

Again, I dont like saying this, but... :'(

As always, the toys and hopefully Jurassic World Evolution 3 will be the saving grace here.

I don't think any film like this well ever be reviewed well by critics, lol
Few films I've liked from the past decade have been favoured

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MLMjp

#707
Quote from: Dilopho on May 31, 2025, 06:07:27 PMI don't think any film like this well ever be reviewed well by critics, lol
Few films I've liked from the past decade have been favoured

That's why I said "somehow". ;)

Gwangi

#708
Quote from: Dilopho on May 31, 2025, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: MLMjp on May 31, 2025, 05:34:37 PMIt saddens me to say this, but I'm probably not going to see this in theaters unless it somehow gets somewhat positve reviews. Basically, I'm gonna let Rotten Tomatoes decide for me.

There's a part of me that whises that the film doesn't get good box office results so the movies stop for a while  (can belive I'm saying this), or at least for Universal to rethink their strategy. I don't see this bombing, but perhaps Superman and Fantastic 4 manage to outperform it.

Again, I dont like saying this, but... :'(

As always, the toys and hopefully Jurassic World Evolution 3 will be the saving grace here.

I don't think any film like this well ever be reviewed well by critics, lol
Few films I've liked from the past decade have been favoured

I dunno, Jurassic World got a Rotton Tomatoes score of 72%, that's not bad.

In fact, lets look at them all from highest to lowest...

Jurassic Park 91%
Jurassic World 72%
The Lost World: Jurassic Park 53%
Jurassic Park III 49%
Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom 47%
Jurassic World: Dominion 29%

suspsy

I would have liked Jurassic World more if it had been the direct sequel to The Lost World instead of JP3, which I still maintain could be erased from history completely without any effect on the other films whatsoever.
Untitled by suspsy3, on Flickr

MLMjp

#710
Quote from: Gwangi on May 31, 2025, 08:17:45 PMI dunno, Jurassic World got a Rotton Tomatoes shore of 72%, that's not bad.

In fact, lets look at them all from highest to lowest...

Jurassic Park 91%
Jurassic World 72%
The Lost World: Jurassic Park 53%
Jurassic Park III 49%
Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom 47%
Jurassic World: Dominion 29%

I remeber back in 2015 when I used to care about the Rotten Tomatoes scores, I was so relived when Jurassic World got a fresh one. :)

Only reason I care about the score for Rebirth is because I need a quantitative reference to decide wether or not to watch the film.

And speaking about Rotten Tomatoes scores, what are your predictions?

Personally, I think it will be higher than Dominion but lower than Fallen Kingdom.

Torvosaurus

I think part of the reason "Jurassic World" ranked so high is because it targeted a new generation. I thought it was okay, but my son loved it, seeing dinosaurs on the big screen for the first time. He'd already seen the Jurassic Park movies, but on a DVD. Even seeing "Jurassic World" on a big screen made me remember that awe of seeing the first shot of the Brachiosaurus in "Jurassic Park" again.

Torvo

"In the fields of observation chance favors only the prepared mind." - Louis Pasteur

Gwangi

#712
Quote from: MLMjp on May 31, 2025, 11:08:09 PM
Quote from: Gwangi on May 31, 2025, 08:17:45 PMI dunno, Jurassic World got a Rotton Tomatoes shore of 72%, that's not bad.

In fact, lets look at them all from highest to lowest...

Jurassic Park 91%
Jurassic World 72%
The Lost World: Jurassic Park 53%
Jurassic Park III 49%
Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom 47%
Jurassic World: Dominion 29%

I remeber back in 2015 when I used to care about the Rotten Tomatoes scores, I was so relived when Jurassic World got a fresh one. :)

Only reason I care about the score for Rebirth is because I need a quantitative reference to decide wether or not to watch the film.

And speaking about Rotten Tomatoes scores, what are your predictions?

Personally, I think it will be higher than Dominion but lower than Fallen Kingdom.

I think it will be better received than Dominion but won't score as high as Jurassic World, somewhere in the 50% range. Although most critics don't care about a lot of the things that we do. They aren't bothered by hybrids, mutants, and scientific inaccuracies. If Edwards can deliver a visual spectacle (and it looks like he can) and some tense action sequences it might do well. His other films rank pretty high.

I don't put too much stock in RT scores but my own ranking of the films is similar. Jurassic Park is a masterpiece, Jurassic World is a decent sequel, and all the rest rank similarly to each other... average at best. Still dislike JP3 the most though. 


Dilopho

Quote from: suspsy on May 31, 2025, 10:52:24 PMI would have liked Jurassic World more if it had been the direct sequel to The Lost World instead of JP3, which I still maintain could be erased from history completely without any effect on the other films whatsoever.
Then what impact does it have for you that lowers Jurassic World?

DinoToyForum

Quote from: Torvosaurus on May 31, 2025, 11:13:09 PMI think part of the reason "Jurassic World" ranked so high is because it targeted a new generation. I thought it was okay, but my son loved it, seeing dinosaurs on the big screen for the first time. He'd already seen the Jurassic Park movies, but on a DVD. Even seeing "Jurassic World" on a big screen made me remember that awe of seeing the first shot of the Brachiosaurus in "Jurassic Park" again.

Torvo


Definitely this is a factor. My young nephews saw Jurassic World at the cinema and thought it was really cool. I asked them if they had seen the original Jurassic Park films and they said "no". I asked them if they wanted to watch them and they said "nah, you're alright". "Why not!?". "It's old". ;D Most children don't care about what they perceive as boring old films that came out before they were born.




Gwangi

#715
Quote from: DinoToyForum on June 01, 2025, 12:29:11 AM
Quote from: Torvosaurus on May 31, 2025, 11:13:09 PMI think part of the reason "Jurassic World" ranked so high is because it targeted a new generation. I thought it was okay, but my son loved it, seeing dinosaurs on the big screen for the first time. He'd already seen the Jurassic Park movies, but on a DVD. Even seeing "Jurassic World" on a big screen made me remember that awe of seeing the first shot of the Brachiosaurus in "Jurassic Park" again.

Torvo


Definitely this is a factor. My young nephews saw Jurassic World at the cinema and thought it was really cool. I asked them if they had seen the original Jurassic Park films and they said "no". I asked them if they wanted to watch them and they said "nah, you're alright". "Why not!?". "It's old". ;D Most children don't care about what they perceive as boring old films that came out before they were born.



That kind of response would cause me physical and emotional pain. Personally, I would never take my kids to see the 4th film in a franchise without watching the others first. 

I actually introduced my 10 y/o daughter to Jurassic Park last night, with bated breath. I was worried because she's a bit sensitive to violence, especially where animals are concerned (cow and goat) but it was a success. The part that worried her the most was Tim stuck in the car in the tree. Anyway, she liked it enough that I had to put Jurassic World bed sheets on her bed today and she spent some time playing with my Jurassic toys. She's been playing with them for years so she was excited to see the characters and vehicles she's been playing with in this movie that I've been putting on a pedestal all her life. If we can get through all the movies by July I might take her to see Rebirth, for better or worse. Going with my kid is the only way I'll get to see it.

A few weeks ago I tried to introduce her to Star Wars, starting with A New Hope, and it didn't work out. Empire didn't hold her attention either and by the time we got to Return of the Jedi she wasn't even in the room anymore. I wonder if starting with the prequels is the way to go but...ugh. :*D   

Blade-of-the-Moon

Quote from: Gwangi on June 01, 2025, 01:01:02 AM
Quote from: DinoToyForum on June 01, 2025, 12:29:11 AM
Quote from: Torvosaurus on May 31, 2025, 11:13:09 PMI think part of the reason "Jurassic World" ranked so high is because it targeted a new generation. I thought it was okay, but my son loved it, seeing dinosaurs on the big screen for the first time. He'd already seen the Jurassic Park movies, but on a DVD. Even seeing "Jurassic World" on a big screen made me remember that awe of seeing the first shot of the Brachiosaurus in "Jurassic Park" again.

Torvo


Definitely this is a factor. My young nephews saw Jurassic World at the cinema and thought it was really cool. I asked them if they had seen the original Jurassic Park films and they said "no". I asked them if they wanted to watch them and they said "nah, you're alright". "Why not!?". "It's old". ;D Most children don't care about what they perceive as boring old films that came out before they were born.



That kind of response would cause me physical and emotional pain. Personally, I would never take my kids to see the 4th film in a franchise without watching the others first. 

I actually introduced my 10 y/o daughter to Jurassic Park last night, with bated breath. I was worried because she's a bit sensitive to violence, especially where animals are concerned (cow and goat) but it was a success. The part that worried her the most was Tim stuck in the car in the tree. Anyway, she liked it enough that I had to put Jurassic World bed sheets on her bed today and she spent some time playing with my Jurassic toys. She's been playing with them for years so she was excited to see the characters and vehicles she's been playing with in this movie that I've been putting on a pedestal all her life. If we can get through all the movies by July I might take her to see Rebirth, for better or worse. Going with my kid is the only way I'll get to see it.

A few weeks ago I tried to introduce her to Star Wars, starting with A New Hope, and it didn't work out. Empire didn't hold her attention either and by the time we got to Return of the Jedi she wasn't even in the room anymore. I wonder if starting with the prequels is the way to go but...ugh. :*D   

Yeah same reaction I got from all the nieces, nephews, and cousins, especially anything black and white.. "that's old" .  Now  I did get one cousin to watch the Twilight Zone on New Years. She was all like " I thought this was just a ride at Disney?" but she did seem to like it watching several episodes. You can't force em'. 

As I recall with Star Wars I didn't much care for it, liked Trek better. episodes are good for shorter attention spans.  I did like the Ewok movies on Disney and I think Phantom Menace appealed to me more , sort of aimed at kids and all and had me more interested to watch them.

Gwangi

#717
Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on June 01, 2025, 04:30:48 AM
Quote from: Gwangi on June 01, 2025, 01:01:02 AM
Quote from: DinoToyForum on June 01, 2025, 12:29:11 AM
Quote from: Torvosaurus on May 31, 2025, 11:13:09 PMI think part of the reason "Jurassic World" ranked so high is because it targeted a new generation. I thought it was okay, but my son loved it, seeing dinosaurs on the big screen for the first time. He'd already seen the Jurassic Park movies, but on a DVD. Even seeing "Jurassic World" on a big screen made me remember that awe of seeing the first shot of the Brachiosaurus in "Jurassic Park" again.

Torvo


Definitely this is a factor. My young nephews saw Jurassic World at the cinema and thought it was really cool. I asked them if they had seen the original Jurassic Park films and they said "no". I asked them if they wanted to watch them and they said "nah, you're alright". "Why not!?". "It's old". ;D Most children don't care about what they perceive as boring old films that came out before they were born.



That kind of response would cause me physical and emotional pain. Personally, I would never take my kids to see the 4th film in a franchise without watching the others first. 

I actually introduced my 10 y/o daughter to Jurassic Park last night, with bated breath. I was worried because she's a bit sensitive to violence, especially where animals are concerned (cow and goat) but it was a success. The part that worried her the most was Tim stuck in the car in the tree. Anyway, she liked it enough that I had to put Jurassic World bed sheets on her bed today and she spent some time playing with my Jurassic toys. She's been playing with them for years so she was excited to see the characters and vehicles she's been playing with in this movie that I've been putting on a pedestal all her life. If we can get through all the movies by July I might take her to see Rebirth, for better or worse. Going with my kid is the only way I'll get to see it.

A few weeks ago I tried to introduce her to Star Wars, starting with A New Hope, and it didn't work out. Empire didn't hold her attention either and by the time we got to Return of the Jedi she wasn't even in the room anymore. I wonder if starting with the prequels is the way to go but...ugh. :*D   

Yeah same reaction I got from all the nieces, nephews, and cousins, especially anything black and white.. "that's old" .  Now  I did get one cousin to watch the Twilight Zone on New Years. She was all like " I thought this was just a ride at Disney?" but she did seem to like it watching several episodes. You can't force em'. 

As I recall with Star Wars I didn't much care for it, liked Trek better. episodes are good for shorter attention spans.  I did like the Ewok movies on Disney and I think Phantom Menace appealed to me more , sort of aimed at kids and all and had me more interested to watch them.

My daughter doesn't mind older movies. She loved The Wizard of Oz, which is about as old as a kid's movie can get. But she has admitted that she doesn't like B&W, I think she got through Oz because she knew it would switch to color.

Watched The Lost World last night and she was not into it like she was Jurassic Park. She only sat through it because she knew the alternative was going to bed.  :*D At one point she asked me why I don't have as many LW toys as JP and I said "because I don't like that movie as much as Jurassic Park" and she agreed that she felt the same. It will be interesting to see how JP3 goes because while I don't like it much it's one of the kid-friendlier entries. Probably gonna stop after Jurassic World, she's not ready for Fallen Kingdom. She was very upset to see the impaled Velociraptor in Lost World, she's not ready to watch the volcanic eruption scene, or Wheatley pulling dinosaur teeth. This probably isn't the thread for my daughter's JP reactions.  :||

DinoToyForum

Quote from: Gwangi on June 01, 2025, 01:01:02 AM
Quote from: DinoToyForum on June 01, 2025, 12:29:11 AM
Quote from: Torvosaurus on May 31, 2025, 11:13:09 PMI think part of the reason "Jurassic World" ranked so high is because it targeted a new generation. I thought it was okay, but my son loved it, seeing dinosaurs on the big screen for the first time. He'd already seen the Jurassic Park movies, but on a DVD. Even seeing "Jurassic World" on a big screen made me remember that awe of seeing the first shot of the Brachiosaurus in "Jurassic Park" again.

Torvo


Definitely this is a factor. My young nephews saw Jurassic World at the cinema and thought it was really cool. I asked them if they had seen the original Jurassic Park films and they said "no". I asked them if they wanted to watch them and they said "nah, you're alright". "Why not!?". "It's old". ;D Most children don't care about what they perceive as boring old films that came out before they were born.



That kind of response would cause me physical and emotional pain. Personally, I would never take my kids to see the 4th film in a franchise without watching the others first. 

I actually introduced my 10 y/o daughter to Jurassic Park last night, with bated breath. I was worried because she's a bit sensitive to violence, especially where animals are concerned (cow and goat) but it was a success. The part that worried her the most was Tim stuck in the car in the tree. Anyway, she liked it enough that I had to put Jurassic World bed sheets on her bed today and she spent some time playing with my Jurassic toys. She's been playing with them for years so she was excited to see the characters and vehicles she's been playing with in this movie that I've been putting on a pedestal all her life. If we can get through all the movies by July I might take her to see Rebirth, for better or worse. Going with my kid is the only way I'll get to see it.

A few weeks ago I tried to introduce her to Star Wars, starting with A New Hope, and it didn't work out. Empire didn't hold her attention either and by the time we got to Return of the Jedi she wasn't even in the room anymore. I wonder if starting with the prequels is the way to go but...ugh. :*D   

Well, I was a bit taken aback, and I did say Jurassic Park is really good and they'd like it, but they were still unconvinced, and I wasn't gonna argue, because I could tell that would just make them want to watch it less! Their loss, after all, and they'll get to the film in their own time (they may well already have by now, I should ask next time I see them) and surely regret not having watched it earlier when they do. But, if they were my kids they'd immediately get the Clockwork Orange treatment...  :*D



Which is, incidentally, also the only way you'll get me to see Rebirth in the cinema.

(kidding)



fgh46

What about that raptor vs pteranodon fight?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9UvjcRYfFo
To me, the mutanadons look like the Hellhawks from the Monsterverse!

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