PNSO - New for 2024

[Stegotyranno420]

I'm sorry but sometimes i feel this way about ceratopsians (not necessarily the figures, but the actual animals)

I literally thought for a few seconds "new taxa? wasnt that found in 2014 or something 💀"
They get confusing sometimes lol

[Faelrin]

Oh man didn't even realize its colors were that similar to those recent Haolonggood ceratopsians. That said I do prefer how it has been applied more on the PNSO, as far as the body markings goes, and even the pattern on the frill with those eyespots of sorts (and with contrasting colors).

[Sim]

it's good that i shuffled some of them

I noticed the resmeblance to the Haolonggood Xenoceratops as soon as I saw the PNSO Lokiceratops.  Those three also look like the Haolonggood Nasutoceratops.
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[Joel1905]

As much as HG are improving, PNSO are still on top.

[crazy8wizard]

I do definitely see the resemblance but at the same time I like it more on the PNSO figure. The squiggles look less like varicose veins or accidentally getting blasted by an airbrush and more like pigment that naturally exists inside the skin cells.

[Turkeysaurus]

it's good that i shuffled some of them

[thomasw100]

I think that the apparent similarities between the new PNSO Lokiceratops and the two Haolonggood figures (Xenoceratops and Diabloceratops) appear a bit constructed.

The frill of the PNSO Lokiceratops has some highlights in turquoise color as well, but then there is a red accent, whereas on the Haolonggood Xenoceratops there is some yellow. So both have one color in common, so what?

Then the body color and pattern of the PNSO Lokiceratops are maybe a bit similar to some areas of the PNSO Camarasaurus, but not to the Haolonggood Xenoceratops or even the Diabloceratops. OK there is some sort of grayish base color, but this is a very common color, so what?

The brownish pattern on the PNSO Lokiceratops appears very much worked into the overall appearance and does not look like the squiggles on the Haolonggood Xenoceratops. And the pattern on the Haolonggood Diabloceratops is again different, some transition between vertical stripes and mottling.

What would be interesting would be to compare the quality of the sculpt of this PNSO Lokiceratops with the quality of the sculpt of the recent Haolonggood Triceratops.

[Sim]

I still think the four ceratopsid figures shown look a lot like each other.  It's quite apparent to me, but if one doesn't feel this way I don't mind.  It feels like the opinion that they are alike isn't being respected, so I felt the need to comment.

[thomasw100]

I still think the four ceratopsid figures shown look a lot like each other.  It's quite apparent to me, but if one doesn't feel this way I don't mind.  It feels like the opinion that they are alike isn't being respected, so I felt the need to comment.

Based on some analysis of observations (i.e. looking in detail at several features like colors and geometry of markings on frill and body) I have arrived at the conclusion that these similarities are not convincing. What does this have to do with respecting or not respecting an opinion?

And by the way where is the role of feeling in analyzing similarities or dissimilarities of colors and patterns? This is a form of data analysis and feeling or believing is not relevant in data analysis.

Of course someone else can arrive at different conclusions from their data analysis. From this a rational debate can emerge.

[ceratopsian]

My perception on first seeing the PNSO on Facebook is that the general aesthetic of the choice of colours and their application is reminiscent of the Haolonggood aesthetic. Note that I am using the term "aesthetic". I'm not saying that they are precisely the same colours or patterns.

[Sim]

There's no need for a debate.  Some people feel the colour schemes are very similar, some don't.  I think it's fine to feel either way, as long as people's opinions aren't being put down.  With regards to respecting an opinion, I felt that the image that was posted plus comments like "so what?" were not appropriate.  "Feeling" with regards to facts refers to the opinion a person holds.  Even what you have stated about the colour schemes is an opinion, the simple fact is that the figures use the same type of main colour (grey), with similar striping and a similar highlight colouring on the frill.  Whether this makes the figures look alike or not is affected by personal opinion, not facts, as this discussion is showing.

[Turkeysaurus]

What a nice suprise, painting looks a bit artificial to my eyes though.

Which part of the painting do you refer to, the markings on the frill?

Yeah, i don't know if it's because of color choice or how they applied it... I'd also rather not have black line in it's face, at least connect with dark paint around eyes and frill...or they could have it like a marker (like a cheetah) and less like a spray paint. That's a nitpick though, i admit.

By the way pretty much everything i critize on Haolonggood Diabloceratops is well done by PNSO with their Lokiceratops.

[Turkeysaurus]

My perception on first seeing the PNSO on Facebook is that the general aesthetic of the choice of colours and their application is reminiscent of the Haolonggood aesthetic. Note that I am using the term "aesthetic". I'm not saying that they are precisely the same colours or patterns.

I think it's clear like a day there is something going on between two companies. Tyrannotitan had Haolonggood color scheme. Then Haolonggood Camarasaurus had similar color choice to PNSO Tyrannotitan. Then PNSO released Camarasaurus just after HLG. Now we have lokiceratops with diabloceratops/xenoceratops colors. (very close looking animals)

Maybe it all started with Alamosaurus who knows. Both released their Alamosaurus in 2023. Haolonggood crushed with that model.

[thomasw100]

There's no need for a debate.  Some people feel the colour schemes are very similar, some don't.  I think it's fine to feel either way, as long as people's opinions aren't being put down.  With regards to respecting an opinion, I felt that the image that was posted plus comments like "so what?" were not appropriate.  "Feeling" with regards to facts refers to the opinion a person holds.  Even what you have stated about the colour schemes is an opinion, the simple fact is that the figures use the same type of main colour (grey), with similar striping and a similar highlight colouring on the frill.  Whether this makes the figures look alike or not is affected by personal opinion, not facts, as this discussion is showing.

I am sorry but you are not the one to decide whether there is a need for a debate or not. A healthy debate emerges from people arriving at different conclusions. And at the end there may be agreement or not. Or there may be a need for more data.

[Joliezac]

Beautiful Lokiceratops! Although I must admit I am not a fan of that blue/orange circular pattern on the frill. It looks very cheap to me, the rest of the figure looks great though.

[Sim]

I too think PNSO has been affected by Haolonggood.  I think PNSO's break in releases after their Camarasaurus was because they wanted to put everything they were working on on hold and release a Lokiceratops before Haolonggood.

Lokiceratops isn't of interest to me however, so for me it's back to waiting for PNSO to make something that I like...  Which might take a while if Ichthyovenator, Mosasaurus and Tyrannosaurus are coming from PNSO.  I want those to be made so that they're over and done with and I can start looking forward to something from PNSO again.

I am sorry but you are not the one to decide whether there is a need for a debate or not. A healthy debate emerges from people arriving at different conclusions. And at the end there may be agreement or not. Or there may be a need for more data.

Seriously?  It's simply a matter of different people having different opinions, which have been expressed.  What debate is there to have?

[Faelrin]

Objectively they all use a cool color on the body, some form of stripe like pattern on the body, a cool color on the frill, and some warmer colors on the heads as well. The specifics for each differs in the exact colors used, and the shape and color of the stripe like patterns on the body, and the patterns on the frill, the lighting used, etc.

That's why they look similar, based on those objective factors at play, at least to me if not the other folks here as well.

[thomasw100]

I too think PNSO has been affected by Haolonggood.  I think PNSO's break in releases after their Camarasaurus was because they wanted to put everything they were working on on hold and release a Lokiceratops before Haolonggood.

Lokiceratops isn't of interest to me however, so for me it's back to waiting for PNSO to make something that I like...  Which might take a while if Ichthyovenator, Mosasaurus and Tyrannosaurus are coming from PNSO.  I want those to be made so that they're over and done with and I can start looking forward to something from PNSO again.

I am sorry but you are not the one to decide whether there is a need for a debate or not. A healthy debate emerges from people arriving at different conclusions. And at the end there may be agreement or not. Or there may be a need for more data.

Seriously?  It's simply a matter of different people having different opinions, which have been expressed.  What debate is there to have?

I meant debate in the sense of a scientific debate. Exchange of opinions and arguments with sometimes opposing views. Cannot see what problem you have with that.

[thomasw100]

Beautiful Lokiceratops! Although I must admit I am not a fan of that blue/orange circular pattern on the frill. It looks very cheap to me, the rest of the figure looks great though.

We need to see how this will look on the in hand figure. Hopefully they apply more transitions to these markings.

[Sim]

I meant debate in the sense of a scientific debate. Exchange of opinions and arguments with sometimes opposing views. Cannot see what problem you have with that.

I just think that it's unrealistic to have a debate on the topic.  Whether the colourations look alike depends on a person's opinion, clearly.  You don't think they look alike probably because of your preference for duller colourations as you've expressed in the past, while others think they do look similar.  This doesn't seem to be a topic that one can debate.