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Beautiful Dinosaur mix

Started by postsaurischian, March 23, 2012, 02:31:03 PM

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amargasaurus cazaui

Just to perhaps clarify what I said, in light of how it was taken......I think this painted version of the early Aaron Doyle psittacosaurus is perhaps one of the best repaints of a dinosaur I have ever seen Copper. When I first saw it, I was so impressed with it that I joined the forum and wanted to learn more about it..who took the photograph, who did the model, and especially who did the paint up. I was surprised to be able to actually buy the same model, and have it painted by the same artist. Most people would not know why, however here is the reason. When I was purchasing my skeleton we were trying to select a pose for the mount. The first suggestion they offered, depicted the dinosaur mounted in a "racoon" type pose, on all fours. I complained at the very idea and stated i felt it looked just like that...a racoon. The owner of the lab asked me what animal I wanted it most to resemble and I told him....." I want a 75 pound road runner from hell" He sent me a picture of Aaron's model, as a choice for the pose...which I agreed to.This picture was not Coppers painted work, but rather a more simple paint choice, but the same model by Aaron.  So my actual skeleton was sold to me in precisely the same pose as the original model Aaron did. A month later I discovered the dinosaur forum and saw Helge's picture . i even asked at the time if I could use the photograph itself as a back drop for the display case. To this day, my dinosaur sits, with a case full of repaints, done by dozens of artists, but on the fiberglass stone he rests on, at his feet are your repaint Copper. I think Helge's piece is absoloute perfection and would be impossible to imitate . I think you did an amazing job and I was completely happy with your work.My idea was not to express unhappiness with my piece but total admiration for Helge's dinosaur which has been so much a part of the history of my dinosaur skeleton .
  @ Helge, one other issue with this early model is the extra digit(s) on the hands. Copper was kind enough to file mine down to the proper number, I believe the sculpt has one extra, aside from the posture of the hands that many take issue with.
  Given the history of the model and my own skeleton this was why I was so delighted to help Aaron with references as he updated this model, and then when I was able to acquire the entire set, and have them so wonderfully painted and made into a scene by Martin. It all means alot to me, and I treasure my psittacosaurus collection as a key corner to my entire collection. The skeleton cost me as much as many people have invested in their entire collection and was a serious decision to make, for that reason. I passed the chance to acquire many models and sets, in order to have that one thing.It all began with that choice, Aaron's model, and a picture I saw taken by Helge....you should be very proud Copper, because you were such a part of that story. I hope that better explains my comment, because I was definitely not complaining about my piece...it will never be sold as long as I live and will stay with the skeleton.
  And before I get myself in more trouble, the set Martin painted for me sits in front of the skeleton as well, because I love its particular look and asthetic just as well. It represents a different part of this journey for me, but just as important for its own reasons.



Authors with varying competence have suggested dinosaurs disappeared because of meteorites...God's will, raids by little green hunters in flying saucers, lack of standing room in Noah's Ark, and palaeoweltschmerz—Glenn Jepsen



dutchdinolover

Wauw!

I just finished scrolling through 28 page's of beauty. A well spend hour. Postsaurischian, I envy your treasures.  A very nice and big collection. You convinced me that I to have to send some of my dinosaurs to some professionals for a nice paint up.

I hope I find the time and courage to start my one topic some day after my travel (almost three months left :D ).

Thank you for your great pictures.

sauroid

yes this is one of those collections that would be considered definitive and godly.
"you know you have a lot of prehistoric figures if you have at least twenty items per page of the prehistoric/dinosaur section on ebay." - anon.

postsaurischian

#543
 :D Thank you, dutchdinolover & sauroid for the very friendly comments!

Quote from: copper on April 01, 2014, 07:37:07 PM
if i can say something here about the two psittacosaurs and their differences. i definitely don't want to start a quarrel over my opinion  about this.
helge's model was painted  many years ago and between his model and amargasaurus' model i believe i have gathered more experience concerning model painting.
you asked me to paint your model exactly like helge's, and i told you i would do my best but that i couldn't make an exact clone. i only had couple photos as a reference, the best reference would have been helge's model in my hands during the time i was painting yours.
also my painting preferences change and that effects the outcome too. 
these are not excuses, i just wanted to say some points that i think had an effect on the outcome.

i'm truly sorry if the outcome was not what you wished for.

I understand your concerns, but do not worry at all! Amarga's version is wonderful as well.
Little pieces of art and because it's art it cannot (and should not) be copied 1:1.
I like the fact my model is being unique  ....... and obviously was being done in a special mood       ....... art :D!!

Quote from: tyrantqueen on April 01, 2014, 07:40:49 PM
Maybe it's a difference in photography techniques that makes them look different?

Well, it always is .......



In reply #530 I had a hard time thinking of how to show the model - coloured or b/w. I like both and needed an excuse to show the same picture twice.


Quote from: amargasaurus cazaui on April 01, 2014, 10:46:52 PM
Just to perhaps clarify what I said, in light of how it was taken......I think this painted version of the early Aaron Doyle psittacosaurus is perhaps one of the best repaints of a dinosaur I have ever seen Copper. When I first saw it, I was so impressed with it that I joined the forum and wanted to learn more about it..who took the photograph, who did the model, and especially who did the paint up. I was surprised to be able to actually buy the same model, and have it painted by the same artist. Most people would not know why, however here is the reason. When I was purchasing my skeleton we were trying to select a pose for the mount. The first suggestion they offered, depicted the dinosaur mounted in a "racoon" type pose, on all fours. I complained at the very idea and stated i felt it looked just like that...a racoon. The owner of the lab asked me what animal I wanted it most to resemble and I told him....." I want a 75 pound road runner from hell" He sent me a picture of Aaron's model, as a choice for the pose...which I agreed to.This picture was not Coppers painted work, but rather a more simple paint choice, but the same model by Aaron.  So my actual skeleton was sold to me in precisely the same pose as the original model Aaron did. A month later I discovered the dinosaur forum and saw Helge's picture . i even asked at the time if I could use the photograph itself as a back drop for the display case. To this day, my dinosaur sits, with a case full of repaints, done by dozens of artists, but on the fiberglass stone he rests on, at his feet are your repaint Copper. I think Helge's piece is absoloute perfection and would be impossible to imitate . I think you did an amazing job and I was completely happy with your work.My idea was not to express unhappiness with my piece but total admiration for Helge's dinosaur which has been so much a part of the history of my dinosaur skeleton .
  @ Helge, one other issue with this early model is the extra digit(s) on the hands. Copper was kind enough to file mine down to the proper number, I believe the sculpt has one extra, aside from the posture of the hands that many take issue with.
  Given the history of the model and my own skeleton this was why I was so delighted to help Aaron with references as he updated this model, and then when I was able to acquire the entire set, and have them so wonderfully painted and made into a scene by Martin. It all means alot to me, and I treasure my psittacosaurus collection as a key corner to my entire collection. The skeleton cost me as much as many people have invested in their entire collection and was a serious decision to make, for that reason. I passed the chance to acquire many models and sets, in order to have that one thing.It all began with that choice, Aaron's model, and a picture I saw taken by Helge....you should be very proud Copper, because you were such a part of that story. I hope that better explains my comment, because I was definitely not complaining about my piece...it will never be sold as long as I live and will stay with the skeleton.
  And before I get myself in more trouble, the set Martin painted for me sits in front of the skeleton as well, because I love its particular look and asthetic just as well. It represents a different part of this journey for me, but just as important for its own reasons.

I wish my English was good enough to express everything I feel exactly. Sometimes I'm glad others do it for me, as in this case :).
I for myself didn't get you wrong. I know how you think about Noora's skills and took your comment as a compliment for that awesome piece of art I'm owning. I kinda like the history that's already connected to this exceptional model, starting originally at the London museum many decades ago with the colours ;D and I think there's also some heavy Gregory S. Paul influence regarding the pose. Ha, nice! I haven't realized the hand manipulation on your model - makes it very special, too.

I'm a split person - I love scientific accuracy and I love art. I think I love art a bit more (sorry, scientists :-[). So I would rather prefer a slightly inaccurate model over an accurate one if it has more artistic potential. Of course: The more those two parameters approach, the better the model gets.
And the colours? Well, sorry again, scientists. I do not believe in anything of these latest slight approaches of trying to find the truth about Dinosaur colours. Ridiculous. We still do not know anything about how colours change within millions of years. If one of the great Dutch landscape artists of the 17th century was still alive he could maybe give us a hint ;).
So, Hurra :D! It's up to the artists!
I don't want to discuss the Dinosaur colour theme. If someone does, there's an extra thread for this.

Your Psittacosaurus collection is awesome! I wish I could do that with Guanlong, but unfortunately I do not have the €1.300 for the Eofauna skull cast which I really really would love to have :'(!   (maybe one day)




amargasaurus cazaui

One more thought I wanted to touch on reading your latest post Helge, that some might miss. My skeleton is an actual fossil dinosaur from China, that was intentionally posed by the lab to parallel Aaron's original model specifically. At the time when I chose the pose I had no idea that it was being based off an actual model rather than a picture . Once I sit that model at the feet of the skeleton, they have to match for science and art to meet properly. Then you have the skeletal and inference for real life stated in such a way no sign or nametag could suggest. At the time I made that choice I had no idea the model, Aaron, copper or this forum existed. Imagine my surprise.......
  Placed in that context this was an amazing thing for me.....meeting the guy who took the picture, the man who made the model and the artist that did the paintwork. But there was so much more.....acquiring the original model, having it painted by Copper......helping Aaron redo the model, providing reference and input on poses, and then having an actual scene made with multiple poses, in such a unique pattern Martin created and hand painted on all those for me. They say life is not a destination, but rather the journey..and this has been and continues to be one for me, with the addition of an autographed model by Forest Rogers, my soon to be realized hopes of acquiring the lifesize piece by Shane, and the once yearly show where the dinosaur and all of his models are displayed. The dinosaur and I have served to help a local museum remount their own psittacosaurus as well.......where does it go next for me? Resculpting the missing bones for the skeleton....and I have hints another major artist is about to unleash a highly accurate psitacosaurus on the collecting world. I will not comment further here so as to not further derail, but thanks for the inspiration and ideas copper and helge, I hope I have expressed it well enough now.
Authors with varying competence have suggested dinosaurs disappeared because of meteorites...God's will, raids by little green hunters in flying saucers, lack of standing room in Noah's Ark, and palaeoweltschmerz—Glenn Jepsen


copper

i thank  you amargasaurus and helge for clarifying things. this was a case of misunderstood  message from my part, the fact that english isn't my native language probably had something to do with it too.. i get easily troubled when i think someone wasn't happy with their piece because in the end by painting i'm trying to help people with their figures so that they can get the colors they want for them.
but i'm happy that everything is okay and i was just mistaken : )

postsaurischian

Quote from: copper on April 04, 2014, 07:15:16 PM
....... i get easily troubled when i think someone wasn't happy with their piece .......

:o How can someone be not happy with one of your pieces :)?

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postsaurischian

#547

  ^-^  Kaiyodo ~ Fukui Prefectural Dinosaur Museum models (originally sculpted by Kazunari Araki)


   Fukuiraptor




   Fukuisaurus



Libraraptor


sauroid

"you know you have a lot of prehistoric figures if you have at least twenty items per page of the prehistoric/dinosaur section on ebay." - anon.

Zhuchengotyrant

#550
Quote from: postsaurischian on April 06, 2014, 12:50:35 PM

  ^-^  Kaiyodo ~ Fukui Prefectural Dinosaur Museum models (originally sculpted by Kazunari Araki)


   Fukuiraptor
How big are dose?
-Zhuchengotyrant

postsaurischian

Quote from: Zhuchengotyrant on April 12, 2014, 12:31:35 AM
How big are dose?

Both resin figures are about 13 cm long, a bit larger than Dinotales.

docronnie

Keep The Magic Alive and Kicking! :-)


Zhuchengotyrant

Very nice! I would want them if they weren't so small! 8)
-Zhuchengotyrant

postsaurischian

#554

  8)  David Krentz 1:40  Spinosaurus
                                             >  built up & painted by Martin Garratt









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Libraraptor

By now you know my common reflex to models like these:  :o :o
Awesome!

postsaurischian

#556
  :) Thank you, Stefan.


Quote from: Zhuchengotyrant on November 28, 2013, 05:32:11 AM
I really want to see Mr.Doyle's Yutyrannus painted by Copper or Mr.Garrat-Whoever you want! I just really want to see a painted  version! ;)

  Your wish is my command ~ here it is:


  :)   Shapeways 1:40 Yutyrannus by Aaron Doyle
                                                         >  painted by Noora Kivisilta





                                                             next to the Kaiyodo CapsuleQ Museum figure:



ITdactyl

woah.... WOW... just... WOW!

Every feather and scale detail just pops!

That is a thing of beauty.  Now I have apprehensions of painting mine... hahaha.

postsaurischian

#558
  :)  Thanks for the comment, ITdactyl.

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               :)  Shapeways 1:35  Plotosaurus by Galileo Hernandez Nunez (GNmodels)
                                               >  painted & based by Martin Garratt







amargasaurus cazaui

Quote from: postsaurischian on April 19, 2014, 01:12:23 AM
  :)  Thanks for the comment, ITdactyl.

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  :)  Shapeways 1:40  Plotosaurus by Galileo Hernandez Nunez (GNmodels)
                                                 >  painted & based by Martin Garratt





@ this.....who needs Sideshow....nice !!!
Authors with varying competence have suggested dinosaurs disappeared because of meteorites...God's will, raids by little green hunters in flying saucers, lack of standing room in Noah's Ark, and palaeoweltschmerz—Glenn Jepsen


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