2015 Hopes & Dreams

[stargatedalek]

when you said massive earlier you didn't specify you meant the skull

[Ultimatedinoking]

when you said massive earlier you didn't specify you meant the skull

Sorry.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

No Tyrannt queen, I said massively inaccurate as I sit here at my desk looking up at the original Aurora Triceratops, and Styracosaurus models over my desk. Even for the times they were done quite inaccurately I believe intentionally to sell more models. When you look at the teeth, they have large jagged teeth like a carnivore. Regarding how other dinosaurs of the time period were, Marx might have gone the distance trying to make theirs appear close, but then consider MPC whom tried reproducing many of the marx dinosaurs, however instead of using multiple piece molds they used two piece molds, thus eliminating much of the original depth, and detail of their marx predecessors and in the process making them far less accurate.
The tootsie toy dinosaurs , for instance, another company I mentioned. Have a nice long look at the hollow or sand box style dinosaurs they released. Stegosaurus will killer teeth....brontosaurus flintstones style.....etc. The dinosaurs released during this time period were not accurate nor were they ever intended to be, because even then we had the knowledge to make much better figures.
   Another point to understand about the marx figures. Yes many of them were introduced in the fifties. However if you were to collect marx figures, you would quickly realize they redid the sculpts and certain things about the figures at various points as the years passed and could have updated the pieces if they chose, until their ultimate demise in the 70-80's time period. They chose to stick with them, despite the inaccuracies and despite remoldings they did a few times at least.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Even the skull nitpick does not really save his point, Giga had a longer and deeper skull quite obviously. I am under the impression Spinosaurus also had a longer skull, so apparently massive only was meant to suggest tooth size or perhaps thickness.

[Gwangi]

Or maybe I've been spoiled by too many artist resins and Japanese models...hmm.

That could be it. You gotta take it all in context. Naturally a resin model will be better than an $8 toy at Target and should be given the price difference. For those of us that collect toys though, I think these are pretty damn good.

Now are they sending Safari running for the hills? I don't think so. Sorry Simon, I think you're wearing some love goggles.

[Yutyrannus]

Or maybe I've been spoiled by too many artist resins and Japanese models...hmm.

That could be it. You gotta take it all in context. Naturally a resin model will be better than an $8 toy at Target and should be given the price difference. For those of us that collect toys though, I think these are pretty damn good.

Now are they sending Safari running for the hills? I don't think so. Sorry Simon, I think you're wearing some love goggles.

Yep.

I highly doubt that they are, besides although Battat has quite a few figures that I really like (the Cryolophosaurus and Gastonia being two examples), I still mostly prefer Safari's figures overall. Carnegie was the best except for the last two years, hopefully this year they keep up to the high standards of the older figures.

[Ultimatedinoking]

Even the skull nitpick does not really save his point, Giga had a longer and deeper skull quite obviously. I am under the impression Spinosaurus also had a longer skull, so apparently massive only was meant to suggest tooth size or perhaps thickness.

Tooth size, and overall thickness of the skull. Plus, spino didn't have a strong skull, too narrow to provide large forces.

[Pachyrhinosaurus]

After seeing Dan's Dinosaur's facebook post about Carnegie retirements, I really hope there will be a new apatosaurus. Perhaps a rearing one to compete with Battat? 

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Even the skull nitpick does not really save his point, Giga had a longer and deeper skull quite obviously. I am under the impression Spinosaurus also had a longer skull, so apparently massive only was meant to suggest tooth size or perhaps thickness.

Tooth size, and overall thickness of the skull. Plus, spino didn't have a strong skull, too narrow to provide large forces.



Your comment states massive, not "able to provide large forces" so that is a red herring basically. Bottom line, tyrannosaurus rex was not in most known ways the most massive theropod and can be proven with the fossil record. Correct?

[amargasaurus cazaui]

After seeing Dan's Dinosaur's facebook post about Carnegie retirements, I really hope there will be a new apatosaurus. Perhaps a rearing one to compete with Battat? 

Can you elaborate on what pieces were listed as being retired or where you saw it precisely please?
I myself would like to see a new Apatosaurus although heaven forbid not a rearing one of all things ......now a rearing diplodocus, that would be quite nice.

[Pachyrhinosaurus]

After seeing Dan's Dinosaur's facebook post about Carnegie retirements, I really hope there will be a new apatosaurus. Perhaps a rearing one to compete with Battat? 

Can you elaborate on what pieces were listed as being retired or where you saw it precisely please?
I myself would like to see a new Apatosaurus although heaven forbid not a rearing one of all things ......now a rearing diplodocus, that would be quite nice.

They're here.
https://www.facebook.com/DansDinosaurs/photos/a.10151671048174023.1073741853.99131379022/10152401492814023/?type=1&theater

If the link expires, its the Carnegie apatosaurus pair, Carnegie acrocanthosaurus, Maiasaura with nest, baryonyx, Safari oviraptor with nest, and Safari edmontosaurus.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Thanks for all of that information, quite a few pieces getting pulled from the line this year too.....I am sorry to see that nesting Oviraptor go, I was rather fond of that figure especially. Appreciated !!!

[Gwangi]

Interesting, those are certainly all models that could use a better replacement. The Oviraptor is a good one though, I really like that piece aside from the rat tail. And the Edmontosaurus, that certainly seems strange. It just came out a few years ago!

[stargatedalek]

the oviraptor was dated, it was almost entirely bald aside from the wings, the wrists are pronated, and the wings don't reach the middle finger

edmontosaurus was recently found to have had a crest, so perhaps safari plans to release an updated version

[Gwangi]

the oviraptor was dated, it was almost entirely bald aside from the wings, the wrists are pronated, and the wings don't reach the middle finger

edmontosaurus was recently found to have had a crest, so perhaps safari plans to release an updated version

You don't need to tell me what is wrong with it, I'm fully aware. Bald yes, with naked skin, not scales. That in and of itself gives it points in my book, makes it far more plausible. Similar to an ostrich. The wrists are not pronated, check again. You know, there are other redeeming qualities to a figure aside from accuracy and this thing has enough of those. How many toys depict a feathered dinosaur brooding a clutch of young? Sure it's dated and far from flawless (the rat tail bothers me) but don't be so quick to write it off. One of the first models that made me want to start collecting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEQoS7jc-Vk

EDIT: I also like the old Carnegie Maiasaura sitting on a nest and that thing has all sorts of issues. Also, my thought on the Edmontosaurus is that it just didn't sell well...unfortunately.

[Patrx]

Taking another look at that Oviraptor makes me want to go buy one and customize it to fix the wings up. It's rather nice!

[Ultimatedinoking]

What's wrong with the rat tail?

[Gwangi]

What's wrong with the rat tail?

It looks like a rat tail.  I doubt the actual Oviraptor had that level of "bendiness" to the tail, they also painted it a different color from the body which makes it look like it was just attached on there (and it was because you can see the attachment seam) and they sculpted segments all down the length. Actually, it kind of looks like an earthworm.

[Ultimatedinoking]

What's wrong with the rat tail?

It looks like a rat tail.  I doubt the actual Oviraptor had that level of "bendiness" to the tail, they also painted it a different color from the body which makes it look like it was just attached on there (and it was because you can see the attachment seam) and they sculpted segments all down the length. Actually, it kind of looks like an earthworm.

Maybe done in the tanness of the body and smoothed out, it would look better. 

[tyrantqueen]

I really liked the Safari oviraptor. It's dated now but I still find things to like about it. I don't know who the sculptor was but they were my favourite Safari sculptor. It's the same individual who sculpted the velociraptor and the dilophosaurus.