Carnegie Collection by Safari Ltd

[Gwangi]

The market has a lot of modern mammals, not a lot of extinct ones. Where prehistoric animals are concerned the market is clogged with dinosaurs, not mammals. I like my dinosaurs but I would like to see more mammals too.

The modern animal market however is much bigger. And clogged by mammals. Thus I would like to see more non-mammals in the prehistoric animal market.

I'm not sure I understand your logic. Looking only at prehistoric animals it is dinosaurs that have and always will dominate the market. I don't care about modern animal toys, they are not relevant here. Just because there are a ton of elephant toys doesn't mean companies shouldn't make more deinotheriidae, gomphotheres or palaeomastodon. We don't have a lot of models of the extinct groups, so what relevance does the modern animal market have here? The fact that there are a lot of toy lions does little for me when I want a toy Dinofelis.
And I would challenge your claim that the market is clogged with mammals because you can easily find toys and models representing just about every extant genus of animal; bird, insect, reptiles, amphibians...they're all represented well in the toy market. Better in fact than extinct mammals, birds, reptiles, insects, amphibians etc. are in the extinct animal market.

[terrorchicken]

Looking only at prehistoric animals it is dinosaurs that have and always will dominate the market. I don't care about modern animal toys, they are not relevant here. Just because there are a ton of elephant toys doesn't mean companies shouldn't make more deinotheriidae, gomphotheres or palaeomastodon. We don't have a lot of models of the extinct groups, so what relevance does the modern animal market have here? The fact that there are a lot of toy lions does little for me when I want a toy Dinofelis.

agree 100%

[Concavenator]

I was just thinking about the (sadly) recently extincted Carnegie Collection,when I remembered that someone said that an Apatosaurus resculpt was in the works,planned beforehand to be released after the 2015 Velociraptor resculpt.So I was wondering (more like dreaming ) if that sculpt,or perhaps any other dinosaur plans she might have had in mind will ever see the light lf the day.Last year,I read something very interesting that I believe amargasaurus cazaui said that Forest Rogers had some secret plans,yet more than a year has past and no update.I remember how great the Carnegie models were,the sculpting is so beautiful I stare at them in my collection more so than any other brand (bearing in mind that CollectA's the key to the future of dinosaur toy collecting,in my opinion,along with,of course,Wild Safari.I would like to hear more.

[PaleoMatt]

An Apatosaurus sculpt! Ihope we will see it even though ists 99% chance it will never be seen.

[Pachyrhinosaurus]

An Apatosaurus sculpt! Ihope we will see it even though ists 99% chance it will never be seen.

I really hope we at least see what it would have looked like. Maybe it wasn't revealed because it might be released in another form in the future? Surely if the Carnegie Collection were completely dead Forest Rogers could share it as a portfolio piece. Mostly wishful thinking, but who knows at this point?

[Postosuchus84]

I'm saddened by the end of the partnership between Carnegie and Safari Ltd, but maybe it's for the better. I can only hope at least. I focused on collecting the Carnegie toys through my childhood and well into my adult years. In fact, it was a tradition every time I visited the Carnegie (or other museums that offered) to buy one of the replicas to put on my shelf. Safari Ltd. stepped up the bar on the Wild Safari designs from how they used to be in the early 90s. So while I'm going to miss the higher quality and museum status of the Carnegie line I do feel WS might pick up a little more as it has in recent years.

[terrorchicken]

what do you think will be the next Carnegie line dino that will get a Wild Safari replacement? we got Iguanodon this year, Im hoping for tylosaurus, quetzalcoatlus or oviraptor next year.

[DinoLord]

Out of those Quetzalcoatlus is the one I'd most like to see and the most likely to get a reboot, being the oldest.

[Concavenator]

Is the Amargasaurus still on sale? I think it's a very beautiful and charming model which I haven't got,since the line is extinct,I was wondering if it can still be found easily or not

[RobinGoodfellow]

Is the Amargasaurus still on sale? I think it's a very beautiful and charming model which I haven't got,since the line is extinct,I was wondering if it can still be found easily or not

https://www.urzeitshop.de/de/carnegie-collection/1748-amargasaurus-dinosaurier-carnegie-safari-spielzeug-95866405205.html?search_query=amargasaurus&results=5

http://shop.modellpferdeversand.de/Antiquecorner-Collectors-Corner/Safari-Ltd-Antique-Corner/Safari-Ltd-Antique-Corner-Dinosaurs/Safari-Ltd-Carnegie-Dinosaurs-405201-Amargasaurus::3356.html?MODsid=9bkjenrkoeekk54ku9285oi9f5

https://www.minizoo.com.au/products/amargasaurus-carnegie.html

[Concavenator]

Thank you! 

[Halichoeres]

Seeing the back of this poster presentation board by Elmer's with obvious outlines of Safari figures, including Carnegies, made me just a bit wistful. I know there is a "Papo T rex: the stock dinosaur" thread, but is there another thread that collects occurrences of dinosaur toys in marketing and other media?

[Concavenator]

About three years ago (late 2015, amargasaurus cazaui said that Forest Rogers was working on a Apatosaurus resculpt for 2016,but given the end of the partnership between Carnegie amd Safari,that sculpt never saw the light of the day,which is very disappointing.He also said that there was, however, the possibility of she getting back to sculpting,but, as I said,three years have passed by and still no news.

Did she feel unmotivated or anything like that?I think Forest Rogers was in my opinion the most underrated sculptor I can think of right now.Their sculpts were absolutely top notch,with a magnificent elegance and subtle detail that not everyone knows how to appreciate;on top of that they were scientifically accurate.

But the critics began in 2012,with the Brachiosaurus resculpt .Some criticised the fact that they only released one sculpt that year,others complained that it was too small.
The following year the criticism got even bigger with the Concavenator,saying it was a letdown,accusing it for its "sloppy paint work " and so on.Ever since and until their latest release (the Velociraptor resculpt) they were in my opinion always put down,yet I don't understand it.

The charm and beauty of the latest pieces Carnegie brought to the table were still present : the Concavenator, 25th Anniversary Tyrannosaurus (which I'm thinking of buying before it will be too rare) and Velociraptor as examples.

I really miss the Carnegie figures.I found myself very excited about next year's Carnegie release in a way I wasn't with any other company's releases.Even today,with CollectA and Safari (Wild Safari) as the clear leaders of the dinosaur toy industry right now,I still firmly believe that Forest Roger's sculpts for the Carnegie Collection have no match.

Some went for extreme detail,like Papo (which I no longer cate about,the last Papo I purchased was their Dilophosaurus in 2014),others,for scientific accuracy,like (in those times emergent) Safari Ltd as the Wild Safari line.

However, Carnegie just had it perfect.They had the accuracy and their sculpts were packed with a light,subtle detail and just with so much charm,yet people still criticized.

[Shonisaurus]

I sincerely agree with you @Concavenator about the fact that many comments too negative that were issued in his day on the paleoartistic works of Forest Roger could cause that sculptor to de-motivate and abandon the production of prehistoric animals. Honestly the figures were very good and it is a pity that sculptors as outstanding as Forest Roger are removed from the toy industry.

The concavenator was as bright as that of other toy dinosaur companies and the truth as an exotic dinosaur that it was was a deference with respect to my nation that made such a species so obscure. I never understood the criticisms that were cast against that figure, I think they were unfair as those that were issued on other figures of Carnegie (unfortunately disappeared) as was the velociraptor.

On the other hand DTF members have every right to make criticisms of dinosaurs that they do not like and can not be logically censored whenever these criticisms are constructive, but my opinion is that apart from criticizing (often destructively) the figures of paleo-sculptors of toy dinosaurs should be encouraged in any case to the sculptor and the company in question (whatever) to make figures of better quality.

Criticisms that I have observed many times harsh (and DTF members are in all their rights) can unfortunately cause the sculptor to abandon the production of dinosaurs and prehistoric toy animals and what is worse we can cause an employee to be fired from a toy company. Honestly, we should be more tactful since we can take bread and sustenance from a person who does the work to a greater or lesser extent, and what is worse if a family is harmed. That is another aspect that should be observed and we should have better tact and diplomacy when it comes to opinion. Sincerely rude and offensive comments that I have seen in the forum do not lead anywhere to both those who are consumers of these products and the companies themselves.

I must admit that in his day I was also unfortunately involved in those comments that do not lead anywhere in relation to other companies outside of Safari, Carnegie and Collecta and that was unfair.

I like dinosaurs and prehistoric toy animals, but we must bear in mind that PVC figures and their derivatives are not made of such noble material as resin figures (which are worth a capital for that). The prehistoric PVC animals are toy figures designed more for children than collectors among whom I am.

[Pachyrhinosaurus]

It would be nice to at least see the apatosaurus someday. I'm sure since the Carnegie commissioned it Rogers doesn't have the rights to show it, not to mention make resin casts available.

[SidB]

@Concavenator. I got into collecting dinosaurs several years ago, largely through my introduction to Forest Roger's work. I think that your description of her opus is telling, particularly the productions of the last half decade, which are both exquisite and unique. I too would like to see her re-enter the field of dinosaur toy sculpting. I also wonder, at times, if the criticisms, particularly those of one remarkably acid-tongued individual with a flair for driving people out of the DTF, had any bearing on her departure. Probably not, i suppose - market forces and the lure of new ventures likely were the determinants. At least I hope so. In general, it has been plain to me that the DTB/ DTF was a terrific platform to showcase the Carnegie/Safari wares, and the positives encapsulated by this site overwhelmingly justify its ongoing existence and purpose.

[Jose S.M.]

I really like some of the latest Carnegie sculpts and think most of them are really great, I like it's details and all, my only complaint would be the repetitive pose of the theropods: tripod with the legs splayed wide and roaring, still that was a pose issue, the details on the scupt are mostly great. And the updated Brachiosaurus, albeit a little small, it's one of my favorite figures and it's still imposing even if it's no that big. The updated Diplodocus was also beautiful, so I can image the Apatosaurus would've been a great figure, made to match perfectly with it's Morrison neighbors.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Forest has been remarkably quiet on facebook and her work seems to focus on her sculpting of beings she calls her magical beings of "the forest" She hasn't mentioned dinosaurs or sculpting them in some time...
  I am happy for the friendship I cultivated with her, and for being able to obtain her signature on some of my favorite pieces. She is a very warm and giving person and quite considerate when given even a small chance. She was very good to me and after signing all the pieces I sent her, donated a few of her extras signed as well.
  I am unsure if the criticisms she was given by a few here ever reached her ear. I did invited her to the forum multiple times but am unsure if she was lurking here or never bothered. I know she did speak about some of the comments she saw in facebook and she made the statement many times that most would never undersand working as a sculpter within the constraints of a toy manufacturer with their rules, and various input regarding what would sell what wouldn't and so many other factors to consider.
   In retrospect I consider myself a very priviligiled man to have been able to be friends with and have pieces signed by so many deeply rooted members of the dinosaur community.....Dan Lorusso, Forest rogers, and of course our own Doug Watson, who signed multiple pieces for me as well. What an amazing time to be a dinosaur toy collector

[Lynx]

Nobody has said a word here for years... ah screw it, time to break that chain. Just ordered a used Carnegie brown rex! For a used figure, the pictures show that it is not too bad! Can't wait for it to arrive. Hopefully the weather here doesn't mess things up!

[SidB]

Nobody has said a word here for years... ah screw it, time to break that chain. Just ordered a used Carnegie brown rex! For a used figure, the pictures show that it is not too bad! Can't wait for it to arrive. Hopefully the weather here doesn't mess things up!

Hope that you managed to get the latest 2012 variant (I believe, see D @Dinoguy2 . I t has te corrected facial and tarsal geometry as well as much sharper teeth than the previous three variants. Regardless, though, they are /were fine rexes.