Jurassic Park 4 [Jurassic World] (no spoilers)

[Patrx]

Aw, man, I posted in the wrong thread. Well, while I am here, can I agree that The Lost World: Jurassic Park was a pretty dumb movie while admitting that the I find "T. rex in San Diego" sequence to be great fun to watch?

[Gwangi]

Aw, man, I posted in the wrong thread. Well, while I am here, can I agree that The Lost World: Jurassic Park was a pretty dumb movie while admitting that the I find "T. rex in San Diego" sequence to be great fun to watch?

The San Diego scene was great I thought, one of the best parts of the film and honestly a lot more believable than a lot of other scenes in the movie. I'm still wondering how a locked up Tyrannosaurus killed the crew of that ship though. It couldn't have been the baby as they specifically mention he was flown in by helicopter.  While we're complaining about TLW I also have serious problems with the Compsognathus attack scene, there is no way I would let myself get killed by a dozen chicken sized animals. I would be grabbing those damn things and beating them to death with their own kind.

[Metallisuchus]

Aw, man, I posted in the wrong thread. Well, while I am here, can I agree that The Lost World: Jurassic Park was a pretty dumb movie while admitting that the I find "T. rex in San Diego" sequence to be great fun to watch?

The San Diego scene was great I thought, one of the best parts of the film and honestly a lot more believable than a lot of other scenes in the movie. I'm still wondering how a locked up Tyrannosaurus killed the crew of that ship though. It couldn't have been the baby as they specifically mention he was flown in by helicopter.  While we're complaining about TLW I also have serious problems with the Compsognathus attack scene, there is no way I would let myself get killed by a dozen chicken sized animals. I would be grabbing those damn things and beating them to death with their own kind.

The San Diego scenes are fun to watch, but it just seemed a bit like they were trying to live out their Godzilla fantasies when making the movie.

I always found the compy scene to be a bit silly as well, he could've easily snapped their necks or destroyed 'em with a mild kick.

[Roselaar]

While we're complaining about TLW I also have serious problems with the Compsognathus attack scene, there is no way I would let myself get killed by a dozen chicken sized animals. I would be grabbing those damn things and beating them to death with their own kind.

The book's explanation is as good as any: Compies had venomous bites that sedated their victims making it easier to gang up on them and finish them off. This is of course conveniently left out of the TLW film, as is most stuff having to do with filling plot holes and setting up characters, human or dinosaur.
But yeah, rolling on the ground like Dieter did in that film should have squashed a Compy or two...

[Gwangi]

While we're complaining about TLW I also have serious problems with the Compsognathus attack scene, there is no way I would let myself get killed by a dozen chicken sized animals. I would be grabbing those damn things and beating them to death with their own kind.

The book's explanation is as good as any: Compies had venomous bites that sedated their victims making it easier to gang up on them and finish them off. This is of course conveniently left out of the TLW film, as is most stuff having to do with filling plot holes and setting up characters, human or dinosaur.
But yeah, rolling on the ground like Dieter did in that film should have squashed a Compy or two...

Yup, I remember the ones in the book having venom but since like you said the movies didn't mention it I assumed those compies did not. Pity, they could have easily thrown a statement about that in TLW and completely do away with any complaints about it from me but even still, they had a lot bigger problems going on with that movie.

The San Diego scenes are fun to watch, but it just seemed a bit like they were trying to live out their Godzilla fantasies when making the movie.

I think it was more an homage to Sir Arthur Conan Doyel's "The Lost World" in which a dinosaur (in this case an Apatosaurus) is brought back to London from South America and goes on a rampage in the streets.

[Metallisuchus]

While we're complaining about TLW I also have serious problems with the Compsognathus attack scene, there is no way I would let myself get killed by a dozen chicken sized animals. I would be grabbing those damn things and beating them to death with their own kind.

The book's explanation is as good as any: Compies had venomous bites that sedated their victims making it easier to gang up on them and finish them off. This is of course conveniently left out of the TLW film, as is most stuff having to do with filling plot holes and setting up characters, human or dinosaur.
But yeah, rolling on the ground like Dieter did in that film should have squashed a Compy or two...

Yup, I remember the ones in the book having venom but since like you said the movies didn't mention it I assumed those compies did not. Pity, they could have easily thrown a statement about that in TLW and completely do away with any complaints about it from me but even still, they had a lot bigger problems going on with that movie.

The San Diego scenes are fun to watch, but it just seemed a bit like they were trying to live out their Godzilla fantasies when making the movie.

I think it was more an homage to Sir Arthur Conan Doyel's "The Lost World" in which a dinosaur (in this case an Apatosaurus) is brought back to London from South America and goes on a rampage in the streets.

I don't believe I've ever seen that part. There's like 3 versions of that movie, right?

[amargasaurus cazaui]

I think it was more an homage to Sir Arthur Conan Doyel's "The Lost World" in which a dinosaur (in this case an Apatosaurus) is brought back to London from South America and goes on a rampage in the streets.

I don't believe I've ever seen that part. There's like 3 versions of that movie, right?

In my copy of the novel, they use a large Pterodactyl. At the conclusion, it escapes and is last seen sitting on a rooftop, like some enormous gargoyle in London I believe. That is how the novel at least closes

[Himmapaan]

In my copy of the novel, they use a large Pterodactyl. At the conclusion, it escapes and is last seen sitting on a rooftop, like some enormous gargoyle in London I believe. That is how the novel at least closes

Indeed. The escaped Apatosaurus was never in the book. Only a pterosaur was brought back, and it subsequently escaped without much incident.

The best adaptation of Doyle's The Lost World was the 2001 BBC version for television. It remained largely faithful to the book whilst making the most of the technology that made Walking with Dinosaurs such a success then. What was even more wonderful was that the biggest departure they took from the novel was actually an excellent one: the introduction of an intelligent female lead. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.

Um, sorry, back to JP, if you will. 

[Patrx]

The San Diego scenes are fun to watch, but it just seemed a bit like they were trying to live out their Godzilla fantasies when making the movie.

Exactly! Therein lies its appeal, plot be damned 

I think it was more an homage to Sir Arthur Conan Doyel's "The Lost World" in which a dinosaur (in this case an Apatosaurus) is brought back to London from South America and goes on a rampage in the streets.

I don't believe I've ever seen that part. There's like 3 versions of that movie, right?

I think Gwangi's referring to part of the original silent move from, what, 1925? Very cool scene, that.

[tyrantqueen]

While we're complaining about TLW I also have serious problems with the Compsognathus attack scene, there is no way I would let myself get killed by a dozen chicken sized animals. I would be grabbing those damn things and beating them to death with their own kind.

I never understood why the guy just didn't roll (DO A BARREL ROLL...), he would have crushed them with his own weight.

I guess it made a good death scene for the writers though

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Would have been much more useful to the scene to just make the Compies the correct size......rather than again confuse everyone with poorly planned moviemaking.

[Metallisuchus]

Would have been much more useful to the scene to just make the Compies the correct size......rather than again confuse everyone with poorly planned moviemaking.

How off were they?

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Would have been much more useful to the scene to just make the Compies the correct size......rather than again confuse everyone with poorly planned moviemaking.

How off were they?

Generally it is accepted there are two specimens of the dinosaur . The smaller , the size of a large chicken comes from Germany, while the other is from France and was considerably larger.The original specimen found in Germany was roughly three feet large and matches somewhat closer the concept used for Jurassic Park. It was the sole speciment known for close to a hundred years, until the French one was found.The French specimen measures in at about 49 inches long, or roughly four feet long. The German specimen is now considered a juvenile, and both animals are referred to the same single species.
  Given that as  a reference the German specimen would be approximate for the movie, while the French animal would have been larger than a typical domestic Turkey, albeit likely not as bulky of course.

[Roselaar]

Not to mention they were classified in the movie as Procompsognathus instead of regular Compsognathus, making size matters more confusing.

[Metallisuchus]

Would have been much more useful to the scene to just make the Compies the correct size......rather than again confuse everyone with poorly planned moviemaking.

How off were they?

Generally it is accepted there are two specimens of the dinosaur . The smaller , the size of a large chicken comes from Germany, while the other is from France and was considerably larger.The original specimen found in Germany was roughly three feet large and matches somewhat closer the concept used for Jurassic Park. It was the sole speciment known for close to a hundred years, until the French one was found.The French specimen measures in at about 49 inches long, or roughly four feet long. The German specimen is now considered a juvenile, and both animals are referred to the same single species.
  Given that as  a reference the German specimen would be approximate for the movie, while the French animal would have been larger than a typical domestic Turkey, albeit likely not as bulky of course.

Ah okay. I'm sure the hole in the plot is once again filled by 'well they're genetically engineered, blah blah blah'. One thing I never really see addressed is the issue of the dinosaurs' size. For instance, Hammond's team must have been at it an awfully long time for a Brachiosaur to have grown that large.

Regarding compys though, are Compsognathus and Procompsognathus now considered the same animal?

[Brontozaurus]

Not to mention they were classified in the movie as Procompsognathus instead of regular Compsognathus, making size matters more confusing.

Actually it's even more confusing than that. In the book they're explicitly Procompsognathus. In TLW, they're called 'Compsognathus triassicus' in the dinosaur roundup scene, implying that some reclassification work had been done, although (according to wikipedia at least) there's never been anyone calling for the two to be lumped together. So they took the genus name from one and the species name from the other and gave us all a taxonomic headache.

[Metallisuchus]

Not to mention they were classified in the movie as Procompsognathus instead of regular Compsognathus, making size matters more confusing.

Actually it's even more confusing than that. In the book they're explicitly Procompsognathus. In TLW, they're called 'Compsognathus triassicus' in the dinosaur roundup scene, implying that some reclassification work had been done, although (according to wikipedia at least) there's never been anyone calling for the two to be lumped together. So they took the genus name from one and the species name from the other and gave us all a taxonomic headache.

It's just like the Velociraptor antirrhopus thing

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Not to mention they were classified in the movie as Procompsognathus instead of regular Compsognathus, making size matters more confusing.

It's just like the Velociraptor antirrhopus thing

..........or the Stegosaurus thing...or, you can just about select any animal used.

[EmperorDinobot]

It's not even certain that some specimens of Procompsognathus are even dinosaurian. Several very fragmentary specimens were found, though the holotype is clearly a bipedal dinosaur. So it's not certain if some of the fossils associated to it belong to the same species, or not. Some may ever represent other dinosaurs, all parts of different groups. It's really hard to classify these old messy specimens with awkward descriptions done so long ago.

[Roselaar]

No wonder they need a paleontologist as a dinosaur consultant on these movies. Even though they're clearly not listening to him.