Jurassic Park 4 [Jurassic World] (no spoilers)

[Ultimatedinoking]

Oh my...

Besides that what Gwangi just posted: There are tons of movies about other mammals. And most animal toys are mammals as well, with horses and humans being the lead. Atleast looks like that in toystores....

But how many are bats? ( besides Desmodus rotundus?)

[amargasaurus cazaui]

Does Batman count?

[Ultimatedinoking]

Does Batman count?

No.

[Ultimatedinoking]

Are you sure? How do you know glorified dinosaur evolution is still ongoing?

Evolution doesn't stop, if it's alive it is evolving. Natural selection is always at work, new gene mutations are constantly being discarded or selected for.

I was not wanting to start an evolutionary debate, all I ment was that birds get more love than they deserve. While, say, bats, get almost none.

It would seem like you have something against birds in general. Bats are fine animals who have their admirers but we all belong to a forum with members who have a strong affinity for dinosaurs. Since birds are dinosaurs those two interests overlap. You could also argue that dinosaurs receive more love than mammals in general around here but this is a place where that would be expected so I'm not sure why it would even be brought up.

Birds are completely worth our admiration. There are over 10,000 species of them (double the number of mammal species). They live on every continent, in every conceivable habitat, diverse in form and complex in behavior. They're colorful, outgoing, abundant and all around us. You step outside on any given day you'll see a bird guaranteed. An entire day spent outside will be filled with them where you may not see even a single mammal species, let alone a bat. They'll eat food at a feeder outside your window or right out of your hand in a city park. They'll nest in houses you put up, in trees outside your yard or even in a building. They sing beautiful complex songs and are often quite colorful and just pleasing to watch. Also, they're dinosaurs. I love birds, not just because they're dinosaurs but because of all the reasons I just listed and more.

Just because bats aren't "colorful" and spend most of there time at night, you think their inferior to glorified dinosaurs? You are specist

[Gwangi]

Are you sure? How do you know glorified dinosaur evolution is still ongoing?

Evolution doesn't stop, if it's alive it is evolving. Natural selection is always at work, new gene mutations are constantly being discarded or selected for.

I was not wanting to start an evolutionary debate, all I ment was that birds get more love than they deserve. While, say, bats, get almost none.

It would seem like you have something against birds in general. Bats are fine animals who have their admirers but we all belong to a forum with members who have a strong affinity for dinosaurs. Since birds are dinosaurs those two interests overlap. You could also argue that dinosaurs receive more love than mammals in general around here but this is a place where that would be expected so I'm not sure why it would even be brought up.

Birds are completely worth our admiration. There are over 10,000 species of them (double the number of mammal species). They live on every continent, in every conceivable habitat, diverse in form and complex in behavior. They're colorful, outgoing, abundant and all around us. You step outside on any given day you'll see a bird guaranteed. An entire day spent outside will be filled with them where you may not see even a single mammal species, let alone a bat. They'll eat food at a feeder outside your window or right out of your hand in a city park. They'll nest in houses you put up, in trees outside your yard or even in a building. They sing beautiful complex songs and are often quite colorful and just pleasing to watch. Also, they're dinosaurs. I love birds, not just because they're dinosaurs but because of all the reasons I just listed and more.

Just because bats aren't "colorful" and spend most of there time at night, you think their inferior to glorified dinosaurs? You are specist

What? Are you trolling? I find all animals fascinating. I don't think any are better than any others but yes, there are those who draw more of my attention. As a group bats just don't have as much to offer someone who enjoys wildlife viewing as a hobby. I can easily photograph, listen to and watch birds or build a habitat in my yard for them. That's just not the case with bats but if I'm outside and see one you can bet it's going to get my attention. I live in New York state alright, we have like 9 or 10 bat species. There have been over 470 species of bird documented here. I think that says enough. I don't know what is compelling you to start an argument over what animals are better than what or why you have a vendetta against birds but it's getting a bit ridiculous.

[CityRaptor]

I think he has some issue with feathered Dinosaurs...

[Ultimatedinoking]

Are you sure? How do you know glorified dinosaur evolution is still ongoing?

Evolution doesn't stop, if it's alive it is evolving. Natural selection is always at work, new gene mutations are constantly being discarded or selected for.

I was not wanting to start an evolutionary debate, all I ment was that birds get more love than they deserve. While, say, bats, get almost none.

It would seem like you have something against birds in general. Bats are fine animals who have their admirers but we all belong to a forum with members who have a strong affinity for dinosaurs. Since birds are dinosaurs those two interests overlap. You could also argue that dinosaurs receive more love than mammals in general around here but this is a place where that would be expected so I'm not sure why it would even be brought up.

Birds are completely worth our admiration. There are over 10,000 species of them (double the number of mammal species). They live on every continent, in every conceivable habitat, diverse in form and complex in behavior. They're colorful, outgoing, abundant and all around us. You step outside on any given day you'll see a bird guaranteed. An entire day spent outside will be filled with them where you may not see even a single mammal species, let alone a bat. They'll eat food at a feeder outside your window or right out of your hand in a city park. They'll nest in houses you put up, in trees outside your yard or even in a building. They sing beautiful complex songs and are often quite colorful and just pleasing to watch. Also, they're dinosaurs. I love birds, not just because they're dinosaurs but because of all the reasons I just listed and more.

Just because bats aren't "colorful" and spend most of there time at night, you think their inferior to glorified dinosaurs? You are specist

What? Are you trolling? I find all animals fascinating. I don't think any are better than any others but yes, there are those who draw more of my attention. As a group bats just don't have as much to offer someone who enjoys wildlife viewing as a hobby. I can easily photograph, listen to and watch birds or build a habitat in my yard for them. That's just not the case with bats but if I'm outside and see one you can bet it's going to get my attention. I live in New York state alright, we have like 9 or 10 bat species. There have been over 470 species of bird documented here. I think that says enough. I don't know what is compelling you to start an argument over what animals are better than what or why you have a vendetta against birds but it's getting a bit ridiculous.

What's "trolling"?

We have lots of myotis here, and June beetles. Tons of June beetles in the summer. 

I'm sorry, I like theropods, but I find bats more interesting than glorified dinosaurs.

[Gwangi]

If you like bats more than birds that's fine. I don't care. Go join "The Bat Toy Forum" or something. We like birds because we like dinosaurs and for whatever reason you don't like that connection. That's too bad but instead of getting angry about it or trying to resolve it just accept it because it is what it is and life does not exist to please you or meet your preferences. Birds are dinosaurs. Get over it. A lot of theropods had feathers. Get over it. Instead of getting angry about it or trying to come up with excuses to keep dinosaurs bald why not just accept that dinosaurs are not extinct, they live all over the planet and are in your back yard right now! It's an amazing thing. Study them, learn about them, they're friggin' dinosaurs man! Go outside and watch them do dinosaur things. Sure they're mostly small and they don't have horns or sharp teeth or armored plates but they are just as much a dinosaur as any Triceratops or Tyrannosaurus and they're the only living ones you'll ever see. It's awesome! I mean seriously, what is it about birds that bothers you so much?

[Ultimatedinoking]

If you like bats more than birds that's fine. I don't care. Go join "The Bat Toy Forum" or something. We like birds because we like dinosaurs and for whatever reason you don't like that connection. That's too bad but instead of getting angry about it or trying to resolve it just accept it because it is what it is and life does not exist to please you or meet your preferences. Birds are dinosaurs. Get over it. A lot of theropods had feathers. Get over it. Instead of getting angry about it or trying to come up with excuses to keep dinosaurs bald why not just accept that dinosaurs are not extinct, they live all over the planet and are in your back yard right now! It's an amazing thing. Study them, learn about them, they're friggin' dinosaurs man! Go outside and watch them do dinosaur things. Sure they're mostly small and they don't have horns or sharp teeth or armored plates but they are just as much a dinosaur as any Triceratops or Tyrannosaurus and they're the only living ones you'll ever see. It's awesome! I mean seriously, what is it about birds that bothers you so much?

I'm not angry.

[stargatedalek]

What's "trolling"?

We have lots of myotis here, and June beetles. Tons of June beetles in the summer. 

I'm sorry, I like theropods, but I find bats more interesting than glorified dinosaurs.

-trolling is when someone says/does something deliberately obnoxious in order to bother others, typically they cover it up by trying to seem stupid and gain pity so they can mess with more people
-why would you pointlessly bring up beetles in the middle of that comment? (which BTW comes across as an act of trolling)
-you call someone else "specist" and then admit that you yourself are equally biased...

I'm not angry.

-which does not matter, what matters is that you are ignoring evidence and just taking the parts you like so you can warp them into what you want to see

-liking retro dinosaurs is fine, they can be cool, but they have a time and place, and trying to warp science to try and impose what you like over what is evidenced is incredibly immature
retro dinosaurs should stay in science fiction where they belong

[Ultimatedinoking]

What's "trolling"?

We have lots of myotis here, and June beetles. Tons of June beetles in the summer. 

I'm sorry, I like theropods, but I find bats more interesting than glorified dinosaurs.

-trolling is when someone says/does something deliberately obnoxious in order to bother others, typically they cover it up by trying to seem stupid and gain pity so they can mess with more people
-why would you pointlessly bring up beetles in the middle of that comment? (which BTW comes across as an act of trolling)
-you call someone else "specist" and then admit that you yourself are equally biased...

I'm not angry.

-which does not matter, what matters is that you are ignoring evidence and just taking the parts you like so you can warp them into what you want to see

-liking retro dinosaurs is fine, they can be cool, but they have a time and place, and trying to warp science to try and impose what you like over what is evidenced is incredibly immature
retro dinosaurs should stay in science fiction where they belong

I brought up beetles because he was saying that glorified dinosaurs are loved because they are colorful, many beetles are colorful, but you don't see movies about  blue beetles.

I'm not trying to warp anything, all I'm saying is that you shouldn't coat every theropod in feathers unless your completely sure they had them, just because one velociraptor arm has quill knobs, doesn't mean all dromeosaurs did.

[Gwangi]

I brought up beetles because he was saying that glorified dinosaurs are loved because they are colorful, many beetles are colorful, but you don't see movies about  blue beetles.

Well then go out and construct a movie plot and script about blue beetles and see what movie studio picks it up. I can promise that unless they're eating people no one will be interested in producing your movie. It does not matter either way, you're bringing up pointless stuff. People like certain animals for certain reasons. Some animals are more charismatic than others. So what? So birds are more popular than bats and tigers are more popular than the African sand cat and great white sharks are more popular than dwarf lantern sharks. So what? That's just human nature. It's certainly not the fault of the animal and no reason to hold any kind of grudge against it.

I'm not trying to warp anything, all I'm saying is that you shouldn't coat every theropod in feathers unless your completely sure they had them, just because one velociraptor arm has quill knobs, doesn't mean all dromeosaurs did.

Actually, it kind of does. Until evidence suggests otherwise. I'll let you go to the feather thread to read my reason why over there.

[Ultimatedinoking]

I brought up beetles because he was saying that glorified dinosaurs are loved because they are colorful, many beetles are colorful, but you don't see movies about  blue beetles.

Well then go out and construct a movie plot and script about blue beetles and see what movie studio picks it up. I can promise that unless they're eating people no one will be interested in producing your movie. It does not matter either way, you're bringing up pointless stuff. People like certain animals for certain reasons. Some animals are more charismatic than others. So what? So birds are more popular than bats and tigers are more popular than the African sand cat and great white sharks are more popular than dwarf lantern sharks. So what? That's just human nature. It's certainly not the fault of the animal and no reason to hold any kind of grudge against it.

I'm not trying to warp anything, all I'm saying is that you shouldn't coat every theropod in feathers unless your completely sure they had them, just because one velociraptor arm has quill knobs, doesn't mean all dromeosaurs did.

Actually, it kind of does. Until evidence suggests otherwise. I'll let you go to the feather thread to read my reason why over there.

If someone found a lizard fossil with six fingers, dose it mean all lizards have six fingers? No.

[amargasaurus cazaui]

I thought all lizards had at least six fingers....like five on each hand...so they do all have six right?

[Ultimatedinoking]

I thought all lizards had at least six fingers....like five on each hand...so they do all have six right?

Sigh. Six fingers per hand.

[CityRaptor]

You are seriously bringing in a random mutation?

[Gwangi]

I brought up beetles because he was saying that glorified dinosaurs are loved because they are colorful, many beetles are colorful, but you don't see movies about  blue beetles.

Well then go out and construct a movie plot and script about blue beetles and see what movie studio picks it up. I can promise that unless they're eating people no one will be interested in producing your movie. It does not matter either way, you're bringing up pointless stuff. People like certain animals for certain reasons. Some animals are more charismatic than others. So what? So birds are more popular than bats and tigers are more popular than the African sand cat and great white sharks are more popular than dwarf lantern sharks. So what? That's just human nature. It's certainly not the fault of the animal and no reason to hold any kind of grudge against it.

I'm not trying to warp anything, all I'm saying is that you shouldn't coat every theropod in feathers unless your completely sure they had them, just because one velociraptor arm has quill knobs, doesn't mean all dromeosaurs did.

Actually, it kind of does. Until evidence suggests otherwise. I'll let you go to the feather thread to read my reason why over there.

If someone found a lizard fossil with six fingers, dose it mean all lizards have six fingers? No.

Your logic is seriously flawed. Maybe with some age and additional research you'll finally catch on to how science and cladistics work. Want to discuss feathers further? Go to the feather thread. Till then, I'll just leave this here...

[Ultimatedinoking]

You are seriously bringing in a random mutation?

I was using it as an example, say that a six fingered lizard did exist, and it's relatives did have the default five, that dost mean we shouldn't glue an extra finger to them just because the six fingered one "broke the bracket." As some say.

[stargatedalek]

however entertaining this may have been, I'd to return to the topic at hand (Jurassic World)

[Ultimatedinoking]

however entertaining this may have been, I'd to return to the topic at hand (Jurassic World)

...and it's weird  syfy "d rex". give us back T. rex! I want to see a film about dinosaurs, not monster chasing after the human cast practically with blood dripping out of its mouth and having a generic Godzilla roar!