Jurassic World: Rebirth (July 2, 2025) 🦕

[Carnoking]

In short, if you are aiming to view a scientifically accurate movie on dinosaurs, better avoid JP.
I would be keen on knowing how the film director worked with Brusatte and to what extent his advice have been considered ?
However, it should remain a great show with a 5-star casting and outstanding special effects to spend a good time with the whole family.

I imagine Bruasatte did what he could as a mere consultant but he more likely than not ended up getting steamrolled by the suits in the end.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

As I recall Horner said something similar about his involvement with JP,TLW,ect?

What's the point of hiring an advisor you don't intend to listen to their advice?

[Gwangi]

As I recall Horner said something similar about his involvement with JP,TLW,ect?

What's the point of hiring an advisor you don't intend to listen to their advice?

Because you end up with something like 65 if you don't.

[Carnoking]

My guess is that 40% of their job comes down to spitting out marketable names whenever the creative team is looking for a new big sauropod or theropod for a particular sequence.

I don't know, I like to think his input is why we got paddle tails and new sail shapes on the spinos but at the same time they have those hideous heads and short necks, not to mention the mammalian faced, spine-backed, whip tailed Titanosaurs too so who knows.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

As I recall Horner said something similar about his involvement with JP,TLW,ect?

What's the point of hiring an advisor you don't intend to listen to their advice?

Because you end up with something like 65 if you don't.

I don't think 65 ever claimed to have realistic dinosaurs though? 

If they would really listen and have them participate or head the design phase that would be something. I love the JP versions and those shouldn't be messed with too much, this IS Jurassic Park/World after all and those designs are instantly recognizable.  I guess you can compare it to Camp Cretaceous or Chaos Theory which has better designs and concepts.  A scene of all those Paras lighting up in live action would have been something or use the Suchomimus vs these Spinosaurs.  I'm still hoping we get one good big surprise that will challenge and take out the mutant.

[Gwangi]

I don't think 65 ever claimed to have realistic dinosaurs though? 

They didn't. But if they had a consultant then they could have. 

 

[Camzilla94]

I swore there was a quote about them talking up their dinos in 65 but maybe I'm misremembering.

[HD-man]

I don't think 65 ever claimed to have realistic dinosaurs though?

They didn't. But if they had a consultant then they could have. 

I swore there was a quote about them talking up their dinos in 65 but maybe I'm misremembering.

There IS a quote at ~9:00:

[Torvosaurus]

There IS a quote at ~9:00:

I thought I remembered someone talking about the dinosaurs, but I didn't know who or why. For having a decent budget, 65 had awful dinosaurs. Maybe 30 odd years ago it would have been alright. Oh, wait, "Jurassic Park" came out some 30 odd years ago. 🙂

That monstrosity at the end of 65 was...something. I totally hated it.

As I've read more about Rebirth, I might just go and see it after all. I'm looking at things a little differently from what the critics are saying, however. I don't see this island as a replacement for Isla Sorna. Ingen may have started research there, but their research stopped because of the unguessed at difficulties they were having. When they realized their research was out of control, possibly with dinosaurs and mutants killing people, Ingen packed up and left. At that point, research began on Isla Sorna, much more modest and with more intense lab parameters. This is where the research succeeded and where the dinosaurs for Jurassic Park came from. The island near Barbados was basically forgotten as a failed attempt to establish a research facility and only came to be known due to Ingens bankruptcy.

Torvo

[Gwangi]

I don't think 65 ever claimed to have realistic dinosaurs though?

They didn't. But if they had a consultant then they could have. 

I swore there was a quote about them talking up their dinos in 65 but maybe I'm misremembering.

There IS a quote at ~9:00:

Haha, I'm skeptical that they had any kind of consultant at all. If they did then they clearly weren't listening to them or the consultant was one of their kids. Even a kid consultant could probably do better though. 

Anyway, the whole point is that it's easy to crap on the Jurassic franchise for inaccuracies but they still get the broad strokes correct. Yeah, the Giga is awful, but then there's the Quetz. Might have been different without a consultant on board.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

If you

I don't think 65 ever claimed to have realistic dinosaurs though?

They didn't. But if they had a consultant then they could have. 

I swore there was a quote about them talking up their dinos in 65 but maybe I'm misremembering.

There IS a quote at ~9:00:

Haha, I'm skeptical that they had any kind of consultant at all. If they did then they clearly weren't listening to them or the consultant was one of their kids. Even a kid consultant could probably do better though. 

Anyway, the whole point is that it's easy to crap on the Jurassic franchise for inaccuracies but they still get the broad strokes correct. Yeah, the Giga is awful, but then there's the Quetz. Might have been different without a consultant on board.

If you look at the Giga's scenes in the film it acts the most realistic, very much just an animal doing what it does despite the design, which does fit the skeleton.  It sleeps, defends it's territory, bullies other predators off kills without killing them or really fighting. It never even kills any humans that I recall.  Then it's forced into a "battle arena" with Rexy and another aggressive animal which results in death by unlikely scenario lol

Quetz it's also a great design if they going to use the species again I wish they had brought the design back. Sometimes it feels like they think it's easier to build a new creature vs using an old one.

[stargatedalek]

If anything I don't think Giga was aggressive *enough* from a narrative perspective. It gets treated as this huge big bad but is kind of just... there. Which is definitely worsened by this film adding a bunch of new big dinosaurs and not doing much with them. I would have cut either the Theri or Giga entirely, IE given Giga's human chasing scene to Rexy and it's other scenes to Therizinosaurus, then given the first Therizinosaurus scene to Quetz so it gets to have a scary scene with it stalking around on the ground immediately after the plane downs. Just have Rexy and the Therizinosaurus fight at the end.

[Gwangi]

If you

I don't think 65 ever claimed to have realistic dinosaurs though?

They didn't. But if they had a consultant then they could have. 

I swore there was a quote about them talking up their dinos in 65 but maybe I'm misremembering.

There IS a quote at ~9:00:

Haha, I'm skeptical that they had any kind of consultant at all. If they did then they clearly weren't listening to them or the consultant was one of their kids. Even a kid consultant could probably do better though. 

Anyway, the whole point is that it's easy to crap on the Jurassic franchise for inaccuracies but they still get the broad strokes correct. Yeah, the Giga is awful, but then there's the Quetz. Might have been different without a consultant on board.

If you look at the Giga's scenes in the film it acts the most realistic, very much just an animal doing what it does despite the design, which does fit the skeleton.  It sleeps, defends it's territory, bullies other predators off kills without killing them or really fighting. It never even kills any humans that I recall.  Then it's forced into a "battle arena" with Rexy and another aggressive animal which results in death by unlikely scenario lol

Quetz it's also a great design if they going to use the species again I wish they had brought the design back. Sometimes it feels like they think it's easier to build a new creature vs using an old one.

Yeah, I was mostly thinking about the creature design. And although "awful" the Giga looks positively perfect compared to some of the designs in 65. And I agree, it behaves in a mostly believable way. Far more grounded then say...the JP3 Spinosaurus. Anyway, I rest my case.

I don't hate the new Quetz design but Dominion's is definitely superior. They should have just made it a different species. It has a Tapejarid vibe going on with it.

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

If you

I don't think 65 ever claimed to have realistic dinosaurs though?

They didn't. But if they had a consultant then they could have. 

I swore there was a quote about them talking up their dinos in 65 but maybe I'm misremembering.

There IS a quote at ~9:00:

Haha, I'm skeptical that they had any kind of consultant at all. If they did then they clearly weren't listening to them or the consultant was one of their kids. Even a kid consultant could probably do better though. 

Anyway, the whole point is that it's easy to crap on the Jurassic franchise for inaccuracies but they still get the broad strokes correct. Yeah, the Giga is awful, but then there's the Quetz. Might have been different without a consultant on board.

If you look at the Giga's scenes in the film it acts the most realistic, very much just an animal doing what it does despite the design, which does fit the skeleton.  It sleeps, defends it's territory, bullies other predators off kills without killing them or really fighting. It never even kills any humans that I recall.  Then it's forced into a "battle arena" with Rexy and another aggressive animal which results in death by unlikely scenario lol

Quetz it's also a great design if they going to use the species again I wish they had brought the design back. Sometimes it feels like they think it's easier to build a new creature vs using an old one.

Yeah, I was mostly thinking about the creature design. And although "awful" the Giga looks positively perfect compared to some of the designs in 65. And I agree, it behaves in a mostly believable way. Far more grounded then say...the JP3 Spinosaurus. Anyway, I rest my case.

I don't hate the new Quetz design but Dominion's is definitely superior. They should have just made it a different species. It has a Tapejarid vibe going on with it.

Totally agree. I saw that head from the front and thought Tupuxuara immediately.  They could have used Cearadactyls. This really was a missed opportunity to do JP novel/Kenner creatures.

[Bread]

I love these designs. I think they're just the right amount of "more accurate" than we're used to seeing from the franchise to make them feel visually and conceptually distinct. My only complaint so far is the Spinosaurus neck looking quite so stubby, but I think it looks far better on the toy, so perhaps it's just the angle of that shot making it look even shorter. I would love if the Spinosaurus were all somewhat different in appearance, maybe one could have a longer neck.

I don't even dislike

Spoiler

the "Rancor". It's a deformed Tyrannosaur with polymelia. I think it's distinct enough from the hybrids to its own fun and interesting thing.

[close]

Regarding your spoiler, I actually now agree. I'm more open to this concept than the latter.

I am still more thrilled for this film than I was for any of the JW trilogy films. My only concern is the pacing as the trailer shows a lot.

[blnadal]

[Faelrin]

Really hope the final film design doesn't have those god awful mouths with too many teeth in them, and past the maxilla. Clearly this is like an early render or art. The other designs here are somewhat different from the trailer designs. It's almost a great blend of the JP trilogy designs with the stripes and return of the quills, but those teeth nearly ruin it for me. The T. rex in trailer was like spot on, surely they could do it right for this one in the film?

Edit: Grabbed this pic from reddit, case in point:

[Blade-of-the-Moon]

I agree, I've done a bit of dental surgery here and there on my figures. They took the whole "need more teeth" as a dogma lol The JW Alloaurus is a big culprit. The mouth couldn't even close with so many so far back.

[Dilopho]

I like the blue and orange at least... the eyes having slit pupils again disappoint me.
I was never going to be pleased with yet another scaly raptor though.

Maybe since these dinosaurs are meant to look a little bit off, they could have gone with a 90's David Peters raptor look and gave them more birdlike arms with a membrane across the elbow and fat fingers, go for the whole "this looks a bit gross but clearly birdlike, I can see how it should have feathers" look

[MLMjp]

Looks cool, might get the toy if it turns out good.