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Jurassic World: Rebirth (July 2, 2025) 🦕

Started by Giganotosaurus, January 22, 2024, 08:12:19 PM

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Blade-of-the-Moon

Quote from: Cpt Red 3eard on July 10, 2025, 01:50:49 AMI saw it again and wanted to share some observations.

The monkeys in the first shots are ober the river where the rex attack happens.

In the New York scene, the school busses are from Crichton middle school.

The TV in the museum shows cartoon versions of later scenes (rex drinking from a river, spinos swimming around, and a titanosaur in a valley)

When you hear that originally the titanosaurs were supposed to mate during their scene, the dialogue therein makes sense as it seems to be setting up for a joke.

I wondered if those were howler monkeys, a novel reference.

I'm still annoyed they called an Apatosaurus a Brachiosaurus even if it was intentional.


Nehalennia

Quote from: Dilopho on July 08, 2025, 12:07:45 AM
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And explicitly tying Zora to Blackwater is weird, Blackwater? The Blackwater that killed innocent civilians IRL in Baghdad, that Blackwater? That feels like such a weird thing to pin onto your character, a real IRL massacre of civilians? And Zora is related to that somehow? I forgot what the exact line was but I thought that was really odd
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This really took me aback as well, Zora being formerly involved with that real life company. That felt really wrong on so many levels that it almost ruined the movie for me. I thought I may have misheard or misunderstood, but no, it was right there.

Otherwise it was perfectly enjoyable film as a generic dinosaur movie, less so one in the Jurassic franchise. That's not a bad thing per se: this movie can easily exist as a standalone thing, it doesn't feel like it necessarily ties in to any of the previous movies. The animals looked good and behaved appropriately, the movie didn't go wild on fan service and was pretty intense throughout without ever going completely overboard. I had a fun time.

Torvosaurus

Quote from: Blade-of-the-Moon on July 10, 2025, 06:08:44 AM
Quote from: Cpt Red 3eard on July 10, 2025, 01:50:49 AMI saw it again and wanted to share some observations.

The monkeys in the first shots are ober the river where the rex attack happens.

In the New York scene, the school busses are from Crichton middle school.

The TV in the museum shows cartoon versions of later scenes (rex drinking from a river, spinos swimming around, and a titanosaur in a valley)

When you hear that originally the titanosaurs were supposed to mate during their scene, the dialogue therein makes sense as it seems to be setting up for a joke.

I wondered if those were howler monkeys, a novel reference.

I'm still annoyed they called an Apatosaurus a Brachiosaurus even if it was intentional.

I believe the monkeys were capuchin monkeys, maybe white-fronted capuchins.

Torvo
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Dilopho

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Quote from: Faelrin on July 10, 2025, 12:01:53 AMAm I good on not seeing it theaters and catching it on streaming later? Like not something I'd regret? Like I kind of wanted to go for the T. rex river and Spino/Mosa scenes, but if most of it was shown in the trailer anyways, what is the point? I'm getting total mixed receptions from reviews on here and elsewhere. Some think it is one of the best sequels, others despise it, and some just find it meh.

I'll say that watching in a cinema has a certain merit just for the sheer size and loudness of the dinosaurs. It's super cool.
They kind of feel life sized when you see them like that.

The T. rex and D. rex especially look and sound fantastic on the big screen.

Prehistory Resurrection

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Found this clip showing the Anurognathus;
Didn't watch the movie yet (will share my thoughts eventually), so don't know whether it really is in the film or cut out, or in some kind of extended version (like the Dominion Oviraptor).

Gwangi

That Anurognathus scene was in the movie.

Brontozaurus

I saw it tonight. It's the most aggressively 3/5 movie I've ever seen. It's functional, it's not boring, I liked it a lot more than Dominion, but it just goes from A to B to C to D Rex and then ends like the writer hit a word count limit. I really don't know how this is meant to start a new trilogy, it felt like an epilogue more than anything.

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I am however looking forward to the endless reddit threads that will try to assign genera to all the background critters that aren't meant to be anything specific.  ::D
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Quote from: Gwangi on July 11, 2025, 01:53:20 PMThat Anurognathus scene was in the movie.

I missed this scene, must've been when I nipped out to the bathroom. Was it just before the Quetzalcoatlus scene?



Blade-of-the-Moon

I'm feeling like maybe this film will start a new trend of unconnected one off films with dinosaur stories. Seeing how Universal fast tracked this I expect another film in 2-3 years.

The Anurognathus was there in the film I think several times. Once it's there in a random flock then this main scene where Duncan sees it and finds the entrance to the temple that leads down into the cliff.  So it's during the Quetz segment.

Gwangi

Quote from: DinoToyForum on July 11, 2025, 03:32:06 PM
Quote from: Gwangi on July 11, 2025, 01:53:20 PMThat Anurognathus scene was in the movie.

I missed this scene, must've been when I nipped out to the bathroom. Was it just before the Quetzalcoatlus scene?

Yup! 


Prehistory Resurrection

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Other Easter Eggs in Rebirth;
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Dunkleosteus head;
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Unknown Eel-like creature:
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Unknown Prehistoric Amphibian;
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2-headed Triceratops;
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stargatedalek

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I'm surprised people had such a big issue with Zora's history. At the risk of getting too political;

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from the perspective of a non-American (Canadian), her backstory is no more politically iffy to me than Owen's was.
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SBell

Quote from: Prehistory Resurrection on July 11, 2025, 04:08:07 PMOther Easter Eggs in Rebirth;

There were a lot of incidental and background animals and I think they'd all make great figures

Gwangi

Quote from: SBell on July 12, 2025, 02:54:44 AM
Quote from: Prehistory Resurrection on July 11, 2025, 04:08:07 PMOther Easter Eggs in Rebirth;

There were a lot of incidental and background animals and I think they'd all make great figures

I really wish ToyMonster would include more of the smaller critters in the Captivz line. They would have done a great Dominion Oviraptor and in the case of Rebirth, Aquilops and Anurognathus.

Delisaurus Steven

Just came back from seeing it and man, I think this is my least favorite movie in the franchise, which I didn't think would be possible after Dominion. While there are a few moments that were great (particularly the raft scene, the titanosaur scene, and anything with the mosasaur), overall this movie just felt extremely basic and lazy. The plot feels even less cooked than JP3, and the characters aren't even as well developed as Owen and Claire. I was planning on going out and getting some Rebirth merch afterwards, but the wind was just taken out of my sails.

My biggest issue is that to an even bigger extent than FK and Dominion, this movie seems to actively dislike and be disinterested in dinosaurs, which absolutely sucks! I still have fond memories of the Discovery Channel goes Jurassic promotion crossover back when JP3 released, and I feel like even Jurassic World was interested in getting people excited for dinosaurs. However it's made clear at the very beginning of this movie that apparently no one on earth cares about dinosaurs, and they're basically all dead anyway.

I'm not sure how they plan on moving forward with more movies in this franchise with the corner they've written themselves into. Is every movie going forward just going to be people trekking into a jungle to occasionally be chased by a dinosaur? Maybe I just need some more distance from it, but my ranking for now is as follows:

JP
TLW
JW
JPIII
DOM
FK
Rebirth

(Also, the mutants in this movie were unpleasant to look at and could have easily just been replaced by regular dinosaurs. At least Indominus looked pretty cool, not like a big blob with a T. rex mouth and Clover/MUTO/Super 8 alien arms and legs.)

Brontozaurus

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Quote from: Delisaurus Steven on July 12, 2025, 11:47:15 PM(Also, the mutants in this movie were unpleasant to look at and could have easily just been replaced by regular dinosaurs. At least Indominus looked pretty cool, not like a big blob with a T. rex mouth and Clover/MUTO/Super 8 alien arms and legs.)

This is something I've been thinking about since I saw Rebirth. I don't think using mutants over known species is a bad thing depending on the story being told. In the original Jurassic Park it matters that they're real dinosaurs, because the hook of the movie is that there's a dinosaur zoo. Granted there's details in the novel about the work it took to get there, but for all intents and purposes they're real dinosaurs and the only mutation that matters is the changing sex one.

Jurassic World and onwards though is all about how humans can't stop making bad decisions with DNA, so mutants work there. I'd argue that the fact that they're dinosaurs barely matters after World, they're just big creatures that kill people. You could replace them with bioengineered centaurs and tell the same story.

So I'm not against the mutants in Rebirth. HOWEVER:

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Their entire relevance to the plot is just to be the last obstacle for our heroes. The mutants aren't a secret objective for the mission. No one remarks on them other than 'oh I guess InGen were doing experiments here'. At the very least I was expecting Dr Loomis to say something about the Mutadons not being in the fossil record. And for all of Gareth Edwards' comments on how the D Rex was tragic and in pain from its mutations, in the end it was just a Resident Evil boss monster.

This is a general problem that Rebirth has with its dinosaurs, in that they only appear for their scenes and then never again (nothing like JP3 with the Spinosaurus and raptors hunting the group across the island). But it particularly affects the mutants since they should be more important, but they're just contained in their own segment. You absolutely could replace them with known dinosaur species and it wouldn't affect the film in any significant way.

(It's also a theme I've noticed in Edwards' other monster movies. We learn barely anything about the creatures in Monsters and Godzilla 2014, and the movies are about how we deal with the giant stompy monsters more than what they are. I don't think this works in Rebirth, since the mystery of what InGen were doing is the point and the mutants needed to make more of a impact to justify it.) 
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Delisaurus Steven

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I would generally agree, I was really expecting a bit more commentary or for Krebs to reveal he was actually there for the mutant DNA or something. My biggest issue with mutants is just that I feel like it waters down the JP brand the more we do it, and at a certain point it just makes it feel like a generic monster movie, not JP. Even the poorly made JP movies feel somewhat like they belong because we're dealing with dinosaurs, not a random horror movie monster.
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Plot and overall franchise issues aside, I will say I appreciate the filmmaking, in terms of cinematography and special effects, which generally look better here than they have for a while in this franchise. Also the behavior of the animals is generally better here than in the last few, for the most part everything just behaves like a curious animal, not a malicious beast.

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