Knock-off figures - general discussion

[tanystropheus]

^isnt this it?

https://es.aliexpress.com/item/2016-Papo-New-Baryonyx-The-Most-Classic-Ancient-Creatures-Simulation-Animal-Toy-Collection-Dinosaur-Park/32720466563.html?spm=a219c.10010108.1000014.12.745b7b6akMrLOH&pvid=6865d98d-c047-4746-bf2f-753fd2a4cc44&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.13338.112235.000000000000000&scm-url=1007.13338.112235.000000000000000&scm_id=1007.13338.112235.000000000000000

Ive already seen a  bunch of knock offs of the PNSO megaladon on eBay. I wouldn't be surprised if the new Papo spinosaurus becomes the next target of the bootleggers.

That is very much a real Papo Baryonyx. Not every seller on AliExpress is selling KO's.

The soon-to-be-released Papo Spino is reinvigorating my interest in Baryonyx!

I hope Papo makes an accurate representation of Suchomimus or Ichthyovenator.

[terrorchicken]

^isnt this it?

https://es.aliexpress.com/item/2016-Papo-New-Baryonyx-The-Most-Classic-Ancient-Creatures-Simulation-Animal-Toy-Collection-Dinosaur-Park/32720466563.html?spm=a219c.10010108.1000014.12.745b7b6akMrLOH&pvid=6865d98d-c047-4746-bf2f-753fd2a4cc44&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.13338.112235.000000000000000&scm-url=1007.13338.112235.000000000000000&scm_id=1007.13338.112235.000000000000000

Ive already seen a  bunch of knock offs of the PNSO megaladon on eBay. I wouldn't be surprised if the new Papo spinosaurus becomes the next target of the bootleggers.

That is very much a real Papo Baryonyx. Not every seller on AliExpress is selling KO's.

oh sorry, I thought it was just a very good bootleg, lol. BTW has PNSO retired their first large hollow dinosaur models? I cant find them on their Amazon page.

[mgaguilar]

Oh no oh no oh no. SOmeone got to the PNSO Megalodon.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/25CM-Megalodon-Shark-Classic-Toys-For-Boys-Sea-life-Ancient-Animal-Model/32969491478.html

Is there any way to show this to PNSO so they can take legal action?

[Loon]

Oh no oh no oh no. SOmeone got to the PNSO Megalodon.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/25CM-Megalodon-Shark-Classic-Toys-For-Boys-Sea-life-Ancient-Animal-Model/32969491478.html

Is there any way to show this to PNSO so they can take legal action?

I'm pretty sure both PNSO and the bootleggers are both in China, and I think their copyright laws are much more lenient.

[Blackraptor537]

https://www.ebay.es/itm/Super-ataque-del-Tyrannosaurus-Rex-dinosaurio-juguete-Mattel-park-Regalo-Nuevo/362686764512?pageci=94f4bcf4-fe6b-48f0-851e-0b1d36f19023

https://www.ebay.es/itm/10-Zoll-Dinosaurier-Allosaurus-Jurassic-pr-historischen-Tier-Kinder-Spielzeug/193109254466?pageci=4583fa57-1318-4c54-b881-fc2b17a5cdf6

Hello everyone i know this is probably off topic but i'm new here and i don't know how to create a new post so i decided to post it here and since the post it's about knockoff figures i think it's related to the topic in some way. So the 16th and 19th of October i decided to buy papo dinosaur figures from Ebay since in my town they are very rare but i only had money at the moment for one new dinosaur because of the price so i decided to look for second brand ones or the ones in discount and i found those cheap "papo" running t-rex and allosaurus and since it was my first time buying online (i bought all my collection in person and only originals) i thought they were the real ones but they looked kind of strange to me specially that allosaurus but i ignored it and decided to purchase them anyways and i was happy thinking i had luck but It wasn't until yesterday that browsing the Internet i found a video on YouTube about the allosaurus and It said knockoff on the title and i started to look at images of the original papo allosaurus and the running t-rex and them i realized i made a huge mistake because of my lack of knowlege about the subject since i didn't know that this things existed at all. So in conclusion can anyone help me? Those things will arribe in a few weeks and i don't know what to do now, also i'm new on eBay too so i don't know about their refund policy so if anyone knows what to do please tell me.Thank you and best regards.

[Digibasherx]

https://www.ebay.es/itm/Super-ataque-del-Tyrannosaurus-Rex-dinosaurio-juguete-Mattel-park-Regalo-Nuevo/362686764512?pageci=94f4bcf4-fe6b-48f0-851e-0b1d36f19023

https://www.ebay.es/itm/10-Zoll-Dinosaurier-Allosaurus-Jurassic-pr-historischen-Tier-Kinder-Spielzeug/193109254466?pageci=4583fa57-1318-4c54-b881-fc2b17a5cdf6

Hello everyone i know this is probably off topic but i'm new here and i don't know how to create a new post so i decided to post it here and since the post it's about knockoff figures i think it's related to the topic in some way. So the 16th and 19th of October i decided to buy papo dinosaur figures from Ebay since in my town they are very rare but i only had money at the moment for one new dinosaur because of the price so i decided to look for second brand ones or the ones in discount and i found those cheap "papo" running t-rex and allosaurus and since it was my first time buying online (i bought all my collection in person and only originals) i thought they were the real ones but they looked kind of strange to me specially that allosaurus but i ignored it and decided to purchase them anyways and i was happy thinking i had luck but It wasn't until yesterday that browsing the Internet i found a video on YouTube about the allosaurus and It said knockoff on the title and i started to look at images of the original papo allosaurus and the running t-rex and them i realized i made a huge mistake because of my lack of knowlege about the subject since i didn't know that this things existed at all. So in conclusion can anyone help me? Those things will arribe in a few weeks and i don't know what to do now, also i'm new on eBay too so i don't know about their refund policy so if anyone knows what to do please tell me.Thank you and best regards.

The seller's return policy is 60 days, but you pay for shipping.

[Blackraptor537]

https://www.ebay.es/itm/Super-ataque-del-Tyrannosaurus-Rex-dinosaurio-juguete-Mattel-park-Regalo-Nuevo/362686764512?pageci=94f4bcf4-fe6b-48f0-851e-0b1d36f19023

https://www.ebay.es/itm/10-Zoll-Dinosaurier-Allosaurus-Jurassic-pr-historischen-Tier-Kinder-Spielzeug/193109254466?pageci=4583fa57-1318-4c54-b881-fc2b17a5cdf6

Hello everyone i know this is probably off topic but i'm new here and i don't know how to create a new post so i decided to post it here and since the post it's about knockoff figures i think it's related to the topic in some way. So the 16th and 19th of October i decided to buy papo dinosaur figures from Ebay since in my town they are very rare but i only had money at the moment for one new dinosaur because of the price so i decided to look for second brand ones or the ones in discount and i found those cheap "papo" running t-rex and allosaurus and since it was my first time buying online (i bought all my collection in person and only originals) i thought they were the real ones but they looked kind of strange to me specially that allosaurus but i ignored it and decided to purchase them anyways and i was happy thinking i had luck but It wasn't until yesterday that browsing the Internet i found a video on YouTube about the allosaurus and It said knockoff on the title and i started to look at images of the original papo allosaurus and the running t-rex and them i realized i made a huge mistake because of my lack of knowlege about the subject since i didn't know that this things existed at all. So in conclusion can anyone help me? Those things will arribe in a few weeks and i don't know what to do now, also i'm new on eBay too so i don't know about their refund policy so if anyone knows what to do please tell me.Thank you and best regards.

The seller's return policy is 60 days, but you pay for shipping.

Thank you. It's the shipping to china expensive? Because they come from there and if it costs a lot i think i will try to sell them somewhere in my town,maybe a pawn shop or something similar.

[Dan]

I would recommend contacting Ebay customer support by phone, and explaining that you received a bootleg of the item you intended to buy. There is a good chance they will refund your payment, and no return will be necessary.

If you are unsure whether a store is an authorized dealer for a specific manufacturer, consider asking people on this forum for recommendations. They will be happy to share their experiences with you, and let you know which stores have the best reputations.

[Blackraptor537]

I would recommend contacting Ebay customer support by phone, and explaining that you received a bootleg of the item you intended to buy. There is a good chance they will refund your payment, and no return will be necessary.

If you are unsure whether a store is an authorized dealer for a specific manufacturer, consider asking people on this forum for recommendations. They will be happy to share their experiences with you, and let you know which stores have the best reputations.

Thank you for the idea but i have to wait until they arrive because i don't have them yet. The next time i will ask for opinions and i will only buy new figures from the brands themselves, i see a lot of their adverts on eBay.

[Digibasherx]

I would recommend contacting Ebay customer support by phone, and explaining that you received a bootleg of the item you intended to buy. There is a good chance they will refund your payment, and no return will be necessary.

If you are unsure whether a store is an authorized dealer for a specific manufacturer, consider asking people on this forum for recommendations. They will be happy to share their experiences with you, and let you know which stores have the best reputations.

Agreed, if something looks too good to be true, it most probably is (especially from Asia).  Best to ping the forum for a recommendation. 

[stargatedalek]

Check the details of the listing. Many sellers (especially through Ebay) will note whether an item is a bootleg or not.

[Archosauria]

I found a bootleg Carnegie Caudipteryx on eBay.

I'm actually thinking about buying it. I love the color scheme. Since Carnegie is a defunct line now it's not like I'd be hurting their sales in any way. I've actually noticed a lot of Carnegie bootlegs now that Safari discontinued the series. Makes me wonder if they sold the molds.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pachycephalosaurus-Sinosauropteryx-Model-Dinosaur-Decor-Animal-Figure-Toy-Kids/254218790508?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20180213162448%26meid%3Dd57708cd81ec4165bf8e2e369fb1f81b%26pid%3D100930%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D253935856869%26itm%3D254218790508%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2332490&_trksid=p2332490.c100930.m5375

[Flaffy]

The pachyceohalosaurus ain't half bad

[Archosauria]

The pachyceohalosaurus ain't half bad

That actually looks really nice. Does anyone know what it's a knock-off of?

[Flaffy]

That actually looks really nice. Does anyone know what it's a knock-off of?

Looks like it's mostly based of the Favorite Co. Pachycephalosaurus, with the tail inspired by the Saurian one. If the arms on the knockoff were a tad bit bigger, it would've been perfect.

[Archosauria]

That actually looks really nice. Does anyone know what it's a knock-off of?

Looks like it's mostly based of the Favorite Co. Pachycephalosaurus, with the tail inspired by the Saurian one. If the arms on the knockoff were a tad bit bigger, it would've been perfect.

I thought I recognized it from somewhere!
Despite being a knock-off it's a good little figure. I just might have to buy one. I love the colors and the patterns along it's back. Very aesthetically pleasing. I honestly almost prefer it over the Favorite Co. figure it's based on.

The arms do look a bit short though.

[Bucklander]

I've drunk enough wine that I'm emboldened sufficiently not to care if my comments raise ire or even if they get me kicked off this forum. How does this thread still exist? I don't know for sure, but I'd be  surprised if there's a country or a culture in the world that does not recognize that, not only is it wrong to steal, it is wrong to be knowingly in receipt of stolen property. The blaze attitude of people on this forum to stolen intellectual property really pisses me off! No matter how you justify it, knowingly buying stolen material is profiting thieves. What the hell is wrong with you people???!!!   

[stargatedalek]

I've drunk enough wine that I'm emboldened sufficiently not to care if my comments raise ire or even if they get me kicked off this forum. How does this thread still exist? I don't know for sure, but I'd be  surprised if there's a country or a culture in the world that does not recognize that, not only is it wrong to steal, it is wrong to be knowingly in receipt of stolen property. The blaze attitude of people on this forum to stolen intellectual property really pisses me off! No matter how you justify it, knowingly buying stolen material is profiting thieves. What the hell is wrong with you people???!!!

Some people only buy bootlegs of lines have been discontinued. It's the same rule I personally have with software piracy, if the original manufacturers are no longer distributing their product than the money from sales of legitimate ones isn't going to the original publishers let alone original creators anyway, so why not? Why pay scalper prices for something if you know you'd be fine with a lower quality version?

Sometimes someone doesn't particularly like a figure, but sees potential in customizing it. This person may not be willing to spend a lot of money on a figure just to to take a risk in heavily altering it anyway.

If the original is particularly expensive and it simply wouldn't be a reasonable thing for the person in question to spend that much money on, they may be willing to accept a lower quality version at a price that works for them.

I appreciate the Gung-ho approach, but man you sound like Disney. Not liking mold clones is one thing, but all of "IP theft is so horrible" stuff just comes across as rather gross and pro big-company. In terms of IP theft REBOR and Papo are just as much a criminal enterprise for their JP raptors as are the companies copying their sculpts. Would you argue these are equivalent?

I may complain about unlicensed JP dinosaurs but that's because I think it's lazy, not because I feel the need to lick Universal/Comcast boots.

[Bucklander]

I've drunk enough wine that I'm emboldened sufficiently not to care if my comments raise ire or even if they get me kicked off this forum. How does this thread still exist? I don't know for sure, but I'd be  surprised if there's a country or a culture in the world that does not recognize that, not only is it wrong to steal, it is wrong to be knowingly in receipt of stolen property. The blaze attitude of people on this forum to stolen intellectual property really pisses me off! No matter how you justify it, knowingly buying stolen material is profiting thieves. What the hell is wrong with you people???!!!

Some people only buy bootlegs of lines have been discontinued. It's the same rule I personally have with software piracy, if the original manufacturers are no longer distributing their product than the money from sales of legitimate ones isn't going to the original publishers let alone original creators anyway, so why not? Why pay scalper prices for something if you know you'd be fine with a lower quality version?

Sometimes someone doesn't particularly like a figure, but sees potential in customizing it. This person may not be willing to spend a lot of money on a figure just to to take a risk in heavily altering it anyway.

If the original is particularly expensive and it simply wouldn't be a reasonable thing for the person in question to spend that much money on, they may be willing to accept a lower quality version at a price that works for them.

I appreciate the Gung-ho approach, but man you sound like Disney. Not liking mold clones is one thing, but all of "IP theft is so horrible" stuff just comes across as rather gross and pro big-company. In terms of IP theft REBOR and Papo are just as much a criminal enterprise for their JP raptors as are the companies copying their sculpts. Would you argue these are equivalent?

I may complain about unlicensed JP dinosaurs but that's because I think it's lazy, not because I feel the need to lick Universal/Comcast boots.

There is a huge difference in derivative style and direct copying. I would have enormous difficulty naming a musical/literary or artistic genius that didn't begin their career emulating those who had inspired them. I have no issue with imitation. However, so many of the figures on these pages are simply bootlegs.

I don't often contribute to this forum, I'm much more a lurker than a worker. That means I feel a certain fellowship with other members who may not even know I exist. I only say this because you, stargatedalek, are someone whose posts I very much enjoy reading and I am loathe to cause you (or any one else here) to think I am attacking YOU. I have the greatest respect for your intelligent perspectives. But I vehemently disagree with you on this subject. It seems to me, you (and others) are trying to justify the unjustifiable.

I put it simply, if all in the world were suddenly to be put to rights, these pirate companies would immediately cease to exist. In the absence of a man made Utopia, or a lifting up of all that is earthly into Heaven, it behooves each of us to try to live as though such dreams were possible. If we do, maybe one day they may become so (accuse me of being quixotic, if you will. I shall deny such charge and counter with an accusation of resigned cynicism. This is a foul, though all too prevalent sickness in our world today (indeed! I would rather be a Don Quixote than a Marvin the paranodi android, any day - though I must say, I do love Marvin very much, and I fear I have here maligned him, for I cannot imagine such an honest fellow ever calling a spade anything but a spade!)).

I have said it before, so forgive me for repeating myself, but theft is theft! How this forum allows a voice to those who support theft, I fail to understand. These products should be boycotted. Those who manufacture them, if we lived in a just world, prosecuted.

[stargatedalek]

Don't worry about it mate, I'm just dragging you through the dust a bit with regards to the semantics, I didn't take anything personally.

Intellectual property is a very broad concept and a lot of the reach that falls under it is corporate abuse levied upon individual citizens and small content creators. Things like false copyright claims large companies make knowing full well they don't have a case but the accused could never afford to take a large company to court are absolutely rampant.

Would re-molding products themselves to be considered trademark infringement? That might be a more focused way to regard this particular kind of theft.

Personally I don't have anything against companies copying products that are out of production, or taking influence from products without directly copying the mold (as appears to be the case with that Pachycephalosaurus above). That being said most of them do this coincidentally, and just copy whatever they think will sell.

Bootlegging in order to compete with available products is bad, I'm not denying that is unethical and shouldn't be happening. But I also don't think people who buy them are to blame, especially if they are aware that these products are not originals and are deliberating on the choice to purchase one, even moreso when it's money that wouldn't have gone to the original anyway.