Rebor v Papo

[petebuster1]

Its the look of a model not the accuracy thats going to sell it

[CityRaptor]

Oh, you would wonder what a little bit of proper communication can do, thinking back to some issues someone had with Safari figures, which were explained thanks to Doug Watson...No need to roll your eyes.

I think there should be less issues arising with Sauropod, unless people really want them to have elephantine feet. And among serious collectors, accuracy is a factor that should be taken into account.

[petebuster1]

Oh, you would wonder what a little bit of proper communication can do, thinking back to some issues someone had with Safari figures, which were explained thanks to Doug Watson...No need to roll your eyes.

I think there should be less issues arising with Sauropod, unless people really want them to have elephantine feet. And among serious collectors, accuracy is a factor that should be taken into account.

I don't disagree i would prefer accurate models but most people wouldn't know an accurate model from an inaccurate one, its only those who have an interest in the subject that notice these things, no idea what percentage of buyers that consists of but suspect its a minority

[Patrx]

Its the look of a model not the accuracy thats going to sell it

What a discouraging outlook

Taking advice from dinosaur experts and getting connected with the network of knowledgeable palaeo-bloggers and enthusiasts can only be a good move for anyone making dinosaur-themed products.

[tanystropheus]

We have read some of the comments, first of all we want to say that we do respect Papo, Safari, Collecta and all other dinosaur replica manufactures. It's a great thing for fans and collectors to have more than one choice.

"Yutyrannus would be Y.huali,not Y-Rex  I was just being ironic,I knew it,but I'm tired of people saying Y.rex.Why not saying Y.argestes?After all,Yutyrannus is a relative of Lythronax isn't it?Oh,come on it's so annoying."

"Y-rex" is the nickname of our Yutyranuus which has no scientific value, same as we call our Utahraptor "Wind Hunter".

"Interesting note: I just showed that first comparison photo to a friend and told her that one dinosaur was twice as expensive as the other. She guessed that it was the one on the left. My two cents? REBOR uses marketing, packaging, and artificial rarity/exclusivity in order to get away with silly prices."

"Why are they two different things other than the price tag?"

Since our Yutyrannus is used to compare with Papo's Allosaurus, if you own the Allosaurus replica, you can tell that the main body is built by several parts: 2 forelimbs, 2 legs, head and body, in this way they can avoid designing complicated and expensive molds, also time and cost of injection moulding can be reduced, resulting lower manufacturing costs of their products, however the disadvantage of this method is leaving noticeable gaps on the replica such as the one between head and neck; the body of Yutyrannus is constructed into one piece leaving no gap on the replica to ruin details of the original sculpture, to achieve this, large, complicated and very expensive steel mold must be used, also the time of injection moulding process is increased significantly.  To help you understand the difference: to design and construct mold of Allosaurus would cost lower than 2000 Pounds, the mold of Yutraynnus cost 7000 Pounds; the mold of Papo running T-rex costs around 4000 Pounds, the mold of REBOR King T-rex weighted as 3 tons and cost 15,500 Pounds. It is the resources that we've spent and manufacturing techniques that applied on our products set the price apart. Vehicles from different manufactures can also look similar to each other yet we can all understand and accept the price difference.

As for the packaging, we're not trying to get away "silly prices" with it, in fact packaging has increased the "dimensional weight" of our products, resulting the storage costs and shipping fees increased significantly, we even have to share the shipping fees with our retailers. However we won't cancel this tradition because it is an attitude.

As for the argument of "toy or statue", REBOR's products are simply dinosaur replicas, to children they are toys, to adult collectors they are statues and collectibles. Believe nor not the official website of Sideshow is actually "www.sideshowtoy.com" Also Hottoys' products are both toys and high end collectibles, it really depends on how you want to call it.

We are a group of dinosaur enthusiasts just like you and it's not our intention to cause any trouble or argument on this forum, we deeply apologise for any inconvenience or misunderstanding that caused by us.

Peterbuster1, we are honoured that we deserve a fan like you We hope all fans, collectors and manufactures can work together to make dinosaur collectibles mean something again!

Thank you for your contributions. It is always a positive thing to have a company that is transparent about their manufacturing policies on board. Regarding the toy vs. statue argument, you took the words out of my mouth I do believe that the demarcation that exists between toys and statues is primarily a subjective one, especially within the context of paleo-educational materials.

As fans, and collectors we appreciate aesthetic models that are relatively accurate from the perspective of science. One of the areas that Rebor shows promise is in the scientific department. Papo's Allosaurus, while exquisitely detailed, also features pronated hands. The Y-rex is more accurate because it has the correct hand/wrist placement.

I absolutely love the upcoming Rebor Utahraptor...even though some of the posters do have valid concerns regarding it. Surprises are always nice, but it would be even cooler if Rebor shares some of their early thoughts and/or visions regarding a product with the community. In that sense, some of our jr. paleontologists could help facilitate the process.  I think Rebor could fill in the gap that exists in the market (especially with respect to Papo and Sideshow). Both Papo and Sideshow tends to ignore the more obscure species.  Thus, there is a general lack of the 'lifelike'-obscure. Also, Papo models have been hit-or-miss with accuracy...although, their last half-dozen models have been moving in the right direction.

All the best and welcome.

[suspsy]

Oh, you would wonder what a little bit of proper communication can do, thinking back to some issues someone had with Safari figures, which were explained thanks to Doug Watson...No need to roll your eyes.

I think there should be less issues arising with Sauropod, unless people really want them to have elephantine feet. And among serious collectors, accuracy is a factor that should be taken into account.

I don't disagree i would prefer accurate models but most people wouldn't know an accurate model from an inaccurate one, its only those who have an interest in the subject that notice these things, no idea what percentage of buyers that consists of but suspect its a minority

Are you really trying to argue that only a minority of the people willing to shell out $60+ for a dinosaur model that cannot be purchased at the local Wal-Mart or Target or toy store are actually knowledgeable about dinosaurs?

[CityRaptor]

Seems to be the case. Someone willing to pay that much for a Dinosaur figure is seriously interested in Dinosaurs and would therefore have the knowledge to know what's wrong.

Casuals , i.e. those whose children go through a Dinosaur phase, would buy something cheaper.

[suspsy]

Seems to be the case. Someone willing to pay that much for a Dinosaur figure is seriously interested in Dinosaurs and would therefore have the knowledge to know what's wrong.

Casuals , i.e. those whose children go through a Dinosaur phase, would buy something cheaper.

My thoughts exactly.

[petebuster1]

Oh, you would wonder what a little bit of proper communication can do, thinking back to some issues someone had with Safari figures, which were explained thanks to Doug Watson...No need to roll your eyes.

I think there should be less issues arising with Sauropod, unless people really want them to have elephantine feet. And among serious collectors, accuracy is a factor that should be taken into account.

I don't disagree i would prefer accurate models but most people wouldn't know an accurate model from an inaccurate one, its only those who have an interest in the subject that notice these things, no idea what percentage of buyers that consists of but suspect its a minority

Are you really trying to argue that only a minority of the people willing to shell out $60+ for a dinosaur model that cannot be purchased at the local Wal-Mart or Target or toy store are actually knowledgeable about dinosaurs?

I cant speak for the USA i'm in the UK and rebor here aren't much more expensive than papo so i can only speak in terms of sterling OR UK pounds. things are different this side of the pond so i can't speak for your side and marketing /sales are going to be different

[Arul]

Bravo REBOR !!! Now we know, thanks 

[petebuster1]

 

Seems to be the case. Someone willing to pay that much for a Dinosaur figure is seriously interested in Dinosaurs and would therefore have the knowledge to know what's wrong.

Casuals , i.e. those whose children go through a Dinosaur phase, would buy something cheaper.

My thoughts exactly.

[Tallin]

The point is, you have to buy these models from the internet, mostly dino model specialist websites, to get hold of them...suggesting that you have to be a dino enthusiast/model collector to know about them and come across them in the first place. Papo on the other hand are in pretty much every toy shop I've been in...

[Zelan]

Papo and Rebor both have excellent detail but as it stands right now I would not buy Rebor models until accuracy improves. I don't mind paying a premium for accuracy, but I see no point in paying more for lack of seams and nicer packaging. That said I look forward to seeing how the Rebor ceratosaurus turns out as it's one of those dinosaurs where what the public imagines it to be is pretty close to what is scientifically accurate.

Seems to be the case. Someone willing to pay that much for a Dinosaur figure is seriously interested in Dinosaurs and would therefore have the knowledge to know what's wrong.

Casuals , i.e. those whose children go through a Dinosaur phase, would buy something cheaper.

This. I would have seriously considered buying the utahraptor model if it had full wings instead of the weird half wing. It struck me as an odd compromise that satisfied no one. It's not scaly for those who prefer it and just inaccurate enough to turn off those who cares about accuracy.

[mpchi]

This earlier pic pretty much speaks for itself. Papo's sculpt and detail is superior. More subtlties and variations just the way the scales look (just focus on the head alone to be fair, not counting any crocodilian scales on the back of Allosaurus), while Rebor's is much more uniformed/cookie cutter just to fill the space (definitely not the same sculptor like some suggested). Same goes with the T-Rex comparision, with Rebor's having larger soft details on the body, not as sharp and precise as the Papo Running T-Rex body scales. But paintjob on the other hand, Papo's is pretty random, while Rebor's looks like more consistent at least, even if it is not always better (but that comes to personal preference, a matter of taste). Papos, if painted nicely, can look really beautiful. But you need to be very lucky to get one with perfect paintjob from the mail. I end up need to touch up most of them, some needs more help than the others (randomly).

Not really siding with any of the two company, but I thought the argument is pretty clear. And I have Rebor's Jolly on preorder. For me, the more better quality dino figures out there, the merrier.

[Meso-Cenozoic]

I'd love to know if Papo and Rebor share a sculptor. The styles are remarkably similar, with the similarities between the Rebor Yutyrannus and Papo Allosaurus being particularly obvious (as has been pointed out a number of times already). Rebor figures have a superior paint finish and certain details are finer (especially teeth), and their figures are a little larger, but Papo have a significant price advantage.
The 'different markets' argument made by suspsy is a fair one. Rebor are deliberately setting themselves up as rivals to, if not Sideshow, then e.g. the Favorite resins, which are better researched but not as vividly detailed (and slightly more expensive). Papo's figures are toys, and they aren't pretending they're anything else.
But if I had to pick a winner? For now...Papo. But we need to wait for Rebor to bring a few more figures out.

I have to humbly disagree, Marc. When you look at that black and white, side by side bust shot of the both of them, the teeth of the Papo's Allosaurus are clearly meticulously carved independently, while REBOR's look to be one single set. And I agree with mpchi, Al's scales are much more random in shapes and sizes, making the overall appearance more natural.

[tyrantqueen]

I don't like how the lower jaw attaches on the Yutyrannus. With the Papo it blends into the neck, but the Rebor just sort of squares off.

[Zelan]

Just a random observation, but does anyone else feel like all the Rebor poses so far look not so much like running/walking but more like the dinosaurs are trying to step across a big puddle awkwardly? 

[tanystropheus]

I'd love to know if Papo and Rebor share a sculptor. The styles are remarkably similar, with the similarities between the Rebor Yutyrannus and Papo Allosaurus being particularly obvious (as has been pointed out a number of times already). Rebor figures have a superior paint finish and certain details are finer (especially teeth), and their figures are a little larger, but Papo have a significant price advantage.
The 'different markets' argument made by suspsy is a fair one. Rebor are deliberately setting themselves up as rivals to, if not Sideshow, then e.g. the Favorite resins, which are better researched but not as vividly detailed (and slightly more expensive). Papo's figures are toys, and they aren't pretending they're anything else.
But if I had to pick a winner? For now...Papo. But we need to wait for Rebor to bring a few more figures out.

I have to humbly disagree, Marc. When you look at that black and white, side by side bust shot of the both of them, the teeth of the Papo's Allosaurus are clearly meticulously carved independently, while REBOR's look to be one single set.

The teeth on the REBOR Y-rex are actually individually crafted. Check out this picture with the open jaws:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/REBOR-Yutyrannus-huali-1-35-scale-Dinosaur-Animal-PVC-Model-Figurine-Figure-YREX-/151546751562?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2348e3ea4a

[darth daniel]

How about a one metre long 1:35 sauropod replica with the same price as King t-rex 

Wow this might finally be a product I could be interested in (I´m not so much into theropods...).

A difficult and long calculation leads me to the conclusion the replica must represent a species with a length of roughly 35m... And there are not so many sauropods known which such a length. Supersaurus? Argentinosaurus? Puertasaurus? Finally an exciting announcment!

[DinoG]

 Must admit this excites me took......

How about a one metre long 1:35 sauropod replica with the same price as King t-rex 

Wow this might finally be a product I could be interested in (I´m not so much into theropods...).

A difficult and long calculation leads me to the conclusion the replica must represent a species with a length of roughly 35m... And there are not so many sauropods known which such a length. Supersaurus? Argentinosaurus? Puertasaurus? Finally an exciting announcment!